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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:09 am

Kanadorika wrote:
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Oh yes. The most dangerous of socialisms. Full of armed warheads, dragons and punk rock music.


Nah too many punk rock bands sold out when endorsing Hillary Clinton.


Reminds me of when a member of the Sex Pistols did an advert for a butter company. What next? Punks endorse beige as the one true colour scheme?
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Postby Alizeria » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:54 am

1. Conservatism. I view conservatism as being analogous to scepticism, and scepticism is exactly what is needed in this day and age.

2. Liberalism. While I'm not a big fan of it at the extremes, it is the ideology that underpins western values such as tolerance, religious pluralism and even democracy itself. (I should note here that I am referring to liberalism in the more classical sense of the term, and I oppose economic liberalism and American modern liberalism.)

3. Fascism. If you go back and read the Fascist Manifesto you'll find it contains excellent ideas especially regarding universal suffrage, settling industrial disputes and organising the economy to work in the national interest. As to how it warped into what it became 20 years later I cannot explain.

4. Centrism. It doesn't exist, there is no such thing. The centre ground is always moving and always subjective. What's considered centre in the United States is quite a long way to the right of what is considered centre in Europe, for example.

5. Libertarianism. I understand and respect libertarianism as an idea but I consider it too idealistic to work in real life. The economics behind it are shoddy, and it assumes that human nature is considerably better than it really is. It also falsely assumes that humans are rational, when they are not.

6. Totalitarianism - I'm definitely strongly against this, but I'd rather live in a orderly society where the trains run on time than a disorderly society where savages call the shots.

7. Socialism. It doesn't work. I know that's a cliche, but the reason it's become a cliche is because it doesn't work and it's now common knowledge that it doesn't work.

8. Anarchism. Ever seen the movie The Purge? Because that's what would happen, except all day every day. People are not nice or decent, they are dangerous savages and a strong state is necessary to ensure civilisation does not become barbarism.

9. Communism. It's the worst of both worlds - on one hand it's supposed to lead to a stateless society which won't work for the same reasons that anarchy won't work, but it also combines the bad economics of socialism and the horrors of totalitarianism. It's every evil we can think of wrapped up in one easy package.
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Postby North Liberal Republic » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:04 am

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Classical liberalism (not present on list)
1) Libertarianism
Acceptable
2) Conservatism
3) Centrism
4) (Social) Liberalism (no, social liberalism isn't Soziale MW)
NEIN! (Everything is sh*tty here, so there's no order)
Fascism (secret leftists, because this ideology is interventionist)
Socialism
Communism
Anarchism

Totalitarianism is a common thing for every far-sth ideology.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:40 pm

Sovaal wrote:
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How in the ever living fuck is fascism better than liberalism, libertarianism or conservatism?

I imagine someone who hates conservatism wouldn't also like fascism.


Fascism has some redeeming qualities, not a fan of it's nationalist or traditionalist approaches. Conservatism doesn't have anything redeemable about it. Communism, Anarchism, and Libertarianism are radical, and pipe-dream ideologies that I feel are backward or a waste of resources. Socialism is slightly tolerable, and Liberalism is all right provided it doesn't go too far. To better visualise how I weigh them:


1. Centrism (9/10)
2. Fascism (5/10)
3. Liberalism (4/10)
4. Socialism (3/10)
5. Libertarianism (1/10)
6. Anarchism (0/10)
7. Communism (0/10)
8. Conservatism (0/10)

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Postby United Empire of Humanity » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:02 am

Liberalism



Corporatism

Socialism





Anarchism
Communism





Libertarianism


































Conservatism







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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:10 am

1. Anarchism (9/10)
2. Socialism (9/10)
3. Liberalism (8/10)
4. Centrism (7/10)
5. Libertarianism (6/10)
6. Conservatism (5/10)
7. Communism (5/10)
8. Fascism (1/10)
9. Totalitarianism (1/10)

While I identify as a socialist, I feel like anarchism has, as a whole, proven to be a somewhat more commendable ideology, if only because it has historically remained more true to its ultimate goals and its proponents have been somewhat better, in my opinion, at putting their ideas to practice, albeit in small-scale ways.
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Postby War Gears » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:15 am

Sovaal wrote:
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How in the ever living fuck is fascism better than liberalism, libertarianism or conservatism?

I imagine someone who hates conservatism wouldn't also like fascism.


Fascism is a confused jumble of ideas but I don't think it would be accurate to call it conservative. It's mostly modeled around the Bolsheviks in Russia and centered around creating a new anti-traditional order.
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Postby Werftkrieg » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:18 am

1 Pre-Federal Reserve/16th amendment American democracy
2 Objectivism
3 Anarchism
4 Strasserism
5 Roman Republic-style dictatorship
6 Constitutional Monarchy
7 Peronism
8 Syndicalism
9 Direct Democracy
10 Democratic Socialism
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Postby Anti-Faminism » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:38 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:1. Libertarianism
2. Centrism
3. Conservatism
4. Liberalism
5. Anarchism
6 (no specific order from here down because they're all shit). Communism
7. Fascism
8. Totalitarianism
9. Socialism

Pretty much agree here except I would put anarchism in the shit/unsustainable category and conservatism and liberalism I would rate about the same. Also I don't really consider centrism an ideology but more of a description of where a complete picture of the sum of someone's views fall on a graph.
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Postby Xyrx » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:46 pm

1. Fascism (I personally identify as somewhat of a Fascist. And Fascistm isn't Nazism kids.)
2. Conservatism (I like a lot of conservative ideas as well.)
3. Libertarianism (Like this too.)
4. Centrism (Eh.)
5. Anarchism (I mean. It's like extreme libertarianism.)
6. Liberalism (I believe you are talking about the modern, leftist version.)
7. Socialism (EW.)
8. Communism (EVEN MORE EW.)

Also, I don't consider totalitarianism a legit ideology. It's how a government is run.
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Postby Balloch » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:59 pm

1. Socialism 10/10 (I myself am a libertarian socialist)
2. Anarchism 9/10 (If I lived in a perfect world, it would be an anarchist one)
3. Communism 7/10 (Definitely good in terms of theory, has a mixed record in actuality)
4. Liberalism 6/10 (As long as you mean American and not classical liberalism)
5. Centrism 5/10 (Not my cup of tea, just like Hillary Clinton)
6. Conservatism 2/10 (Reminds me of Theresa May)
7. Libertarianism 1.5/10 (If you mean the sort of Ayn Rand right-libertarianism)
8. Fascism 1/10 (Quite dreadful, honestly)
9. Totalitarianism 0/10 (The worst!)

Honestly, both the left and the right have had their share of mugwumps— Stalin and Hitler are stock examples. But there were a lot of successful socialist (I use this broadly) governments like Allende in Chile and Palme in Sweden and Attlee in the UK.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:04 pm

Centrism
Conservatism
Fascism
Socialism
Liberalism
Libertarianism
Communism
Anarchism

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Postby Catochristoferson » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:27 pm

Alizeria wrote:8. Anarchism. Ever seen the movie The Purge? Because that's what would happen, except all day every day. People are not nice or decent, they are dangerous savages and a strong state is necessary to ensure civilisation does not become barbarism.

Your statement literally implies that people only make rational decisions solely because the government "forces them to". Your statement implies that human empathy doesn't exist, which is such a ridiculous claim to make.

Also you seem to forget that the government is made up of humans. So if humans are "naturally savages" then doesn't that also apply to humans in the government? Wouldn't they be naturally savages too?

Putting some of the supposed "savages" in power of other "savages" wouldn't stop their supposed "Savage barbarism". Claiming anarchism can't work because humans are "naturally evil" isn't a real argument because government is made up of humans. Literally all laws ever were/are written by humans, and enforced by humans. The same supposed humans that you claim are "naturally savages/evil/corrupt" or whatever, are the people who also make up the government.

And I fucking doubt humans are "naturally savages/evil" from what I can tell there are no scientific paper that prove that claim. And if humans were "naturally savages" they wouldn't fucking bother to create governments to begin with.
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Postby Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:28 pm

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Liberalism



Corporatism

Socialism





Anarchism
Communism





Libertarianism


































Conservatism







(Namedafteraleftwingideologue)ism
Sexmunism
Fascism
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Postby Catochristoferson » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:30 pm

Oh, and anarchism isn't an ideology. It's a political philosophy.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:33 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:Oh, and anarchism isn't an ideology. It's a political philosophy.

A political philosophy is an ideology.
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Postby TrustMe » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:36 pm

#1 conservatism
#2 libertarianism
#3 fascism
#4 totalitarianism/liberalism/
socialism/communism
#5 anarchism

Centrism doesn't exist as an ideology
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Postby Catochristoferson » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:13 pm

TrustMe wrote:#4 totalitarianism/liberalism/
socialism/communism

Who lumps totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and communism into one ideology?
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Postby Anti-Faminism » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:17 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:
TrustMe wrote:#4 totalitarianism/liberalism/
socialism/communism

Who lumps totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and communism into one ideology?

Thats not what they are doing theyre saying theyre all equally bad in their view
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Postby TrustMe » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:22 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:
TrustMe wrote:#4 totalitarianism/liberalism/
socialism/communism

Who lumps totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and communism into one ideology?

Why differentiate between them when they're all practically the same thing

Anti-Faminism wrote:
Catochristoferson wrote:Who lumps totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and communism into one ideology?

Thats not what they are doing theyre saying theyre all equally bad in their view

yes but that's mostly because theres no real difference between them

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Postby Anti-Faminism » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:28 pm

TrustMe wrote:
Catochristoferson wrote:Who lumps totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and communism into one ideology?

Why differentiate between them when they're all practically the same thing

Anti-Faminism wrote:Thats not what they are doing theyre saying theyre all equally bad in their view

yes but that's mostly because theres no real difference between them

Liberalism literally can't coexist in a society where any of the other three are dominant. Liberalism =/= authoritarian leftism. Thats your mistake for assuming it is or the OPs mistake for implying it is.
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Postby Catochristoferson » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:02 pm

Anti-Faminism wrote:
TrustMe wrote:Why differentiate between them when they're all practically the same thing


yes but that's mostly because theres no real difference between them

Liberalism literally can't coexist in a society where any of the other three are dominant. Liberalism =/= authoritarian leftism. Thats your mistake for assuming it is or the OPs mistake for implying it is.

Anarchism is also left wing and it's not liberalism either.
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Postby TrustMe » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:07 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:
Alizeria wrote:8. Anarchism. Ever seen the movie The Purge? Because that's what would happen, except all day every day. People are not nice or decent, they are dangerous savages and a strong state is necessary to ensure civilisation does not become barbarism.

Your statement literally implies that people only make rational decisions solely because the government "forces them to". Your statement implies that human empathy doesn't exist, which is such a ridiculous claim to make.

Also you seem to forget that the government is made up of humans. So if humans are "naturally savages" then doesn't that also apply to humans in the government? Wouldn't they be naturally savages too?

Putting some of the supposed "savages" in power of other "savages" wouldn't stop their supposed "Savage barbarism". Claiming anarchism can't work because humans are "naturally evil" isn't a real argument because government is made up of humans. Literally all laws ever were/are written by humans, and enforced by humans. The same supposed humans that you claim are "naturally savages/evil/corrupt" or whatever, are the people who also make up the government.

And I fucking doubt humans are "naturally savages/evil" from what I can tell there are no scientific paper that prove that claim. And if humans were "naturally savages" they wouldn't fucking bother to create governments to begin with.

Of course not all humans are bad

But without government there isn't any way to protect yourself from thugs, criminals, or terrorists

Not only does the government provide such protection, but the government also enact methods to prevent this kind of behavior

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Postby Brocialist » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:12 pm

From best to worst:

Communism
Socialism
"Totalitarianism"
Anarchism
Centrism
Liberalism
Libertarianism
Conservatism
Fascism

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Postby Liberated Territories » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:49 pm

From best to worst

Libertarianism
Anarchism (except "anarcho" communism).
Liberalism (Classical)
Conservatism
Centrism
Liberalism (Social)
Socialism
Fascism
Communism
Totalitarianism
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