UK Politics Thread 18-inch Mark VI: Witty Title Forthcoming

[Chestaan]

In 1939 Britain was the foremost world power, controlling a quarter of the globe. It was the world superpower. By 1949 it was nearly bankrupt, defeated in all but spirit, its hegemony shattered forever.

The country slowly changing its views on foreign policy over approximately two generations is far more likely in comparison.

it's like saying france might become a christian theocracy. yes, it could happen over generations, but it isn't.

Or that the EU might become an entity that does not viciously enforce self-defeating and economically stupid austerity.

[Souseiseki]

it's like saying france might become a christian theocracy. yes, it could happen over generations, but it isn't.

Or that the EU might become an entity that does not viciously enforce self-defeating and economically stupid austerity.

a thousand politicians all across europe feel a sudden burning sensation, but don't quite know why

[Great Nepal]

it's like saying france might become a christian theocracy. yes, it could happen over generations, but it isn't.

Or that the EU might become an entity that does not viciously enforce self-defeating and economically stupid austerity.

> Country commits fraud
> EU bails out country after the country's economy effectively collapses because of aforementioned fraud
> Country demonizes EU while taking its money
> Oh no EU is so evil for demanding control over its money so the country doesn't fuck up again

[The Huskar Social Union]

fuckin love that movie.

Indeed it is.

Okay this is not relevant to anything at al but i just noticed this comment i made makes no fucking sense, what is wrong with me.

[The BlAAtschApen]

Indeed it is.

Okay this is not relevant to anything at al but i just noticed this comment i made makes no fucking sense, what is wrong with me.

Do you want an answer?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Okay this is not relevant to anything at al but i just noticed this comment i made makes no fucking sense, what is wrong with me.

Do you want an answer?

I dont know, maybe.

[The BlAAtschApen]

Do you want an answer?

I dont know, maybe.

Well, to keep it related to the thread, I can honestly say:

Nothing I mean, there's like something wrong with you(as is with everybody) , but not anything that is related to UK politics

[The Huskar Social Union]

I dont know, maybe.

Well, to keep it related to the thread, I can honestly say:

Nothing I mean, there's like something wrong with you(as is with everybody) , but not anything that is related to UK politics

Clever

[CoraSpia]

Or that the EU might become an entity that does not viciously enforce self-defeating and economically stupid austerity.

> Country commits fraud
> EU bails out country after the country's economy effectively collapses because of aforementioned fraud
> Country demonizes EU while taking its money
> Oh no EU is so evil for demanding control over its money so the country doesn't fuck up again

When you have the resources of the EU, forcing Greece's economy further down the toilet to save a few quid is utterly immoral.

[Hydesland]

Brexiteers versus Economists one year on

[Great Nepal]

> Country commits fraud
> EU bails out country after the country's economy effectively collapses because of aforementioned fraud
> Country demonizes EU while taking its money
> Oh no EU is so evil for demanding control over its money so the country doesn't fuck up again

When you have the resources of the EU, forcing Greece's economy further down the toilet to save a few quid is utterly immoral.

Bollocks, greece forced its own economy down the toilet - EU merely voluntarily offered a bailout and like any handout it came with conditions.

[Chestaan]

When you have the resources of the EU, forcing Greece's economy further down the toilet to save a few quid is utterly immoral.

Bollocks, greece forced its own economy down the toilet - EU merely voluntarily offered a bailout and like any handout it came with conditions.

And how have those conditions been working then?

[Chestaan]

Or that the EU might become an entity that does not viciously enforce self-defeating and economically stupid austerity.

a thousand politicians all across europe feel a sudden burning sensation, but don't quite know why

Point is, claiming that the EU can be reformed is as credible as claiming that Britain will become internationalist.

[Frank Zipper]

Quite a good reception for Corbyn at Glastonbury by the looks of it.

Also apparently UK parliament has been hit by a cyber attack.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40394074

[Ifreann]

Quite a good reception for Corbyn at Glastonbury by the looks of it.

Also apparently UK parliament has been hit by a cyber attack.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40394074

No doubt the devious Euros are trying to learn May's top secret negotiation strategy.

[Neu Leonstein]

I can't comment because I don't actually know how many people we need to import. There is an upper limit - in theory, because I'm not familiar enough with the figures. At the moment net migration is about 200,000 and I think that's too much, but setting a figure seems arbitrary.

At the moment nobody knows what net migration is: http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... rvey-began

[Souseiseki]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/de ... 10679906?I

Food bank officials have told how a man burst into tears after he ate his first proper meal in two weeks.

Charity staff at The Store House in Skegness, Lincolnshire, say demand for food parcels is soaring with referrals more than tripling since May last year.

Co-ordinator Debby Harland said a man broke down in tears after he arrived on Wednesday having not eaten a proper meal for a fortnight, Lincolnshire Live reports.

She said: "He just had a chilli and sobbed that he had eaten.

“In that position, something so simple can make them break into tears.

“It’s awful to see that but we do form relationships. We do get to care about these people. We are human.

“It gets to me. Sometimes I have to go and take a moment to gather myself.

“It makes you grateful for what you have got.”

Since May last year, the number of food parcels, allocated to the homeless and those in need, has risen from 49 to 170 this year.

Debby added: "Funding to us went down by 50 per cent and referrals went up by 100 per cent," she said.

daily reminder that this shit is still happening today in one of the richest countries in the world

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/desperately-hungry-man-cries-food-10679906?I

Food bank officials have told how a man burst into tears after he ate his first proper meal in two weeks.

Charity staff at The Store House in Skegness, Lincolnshire, say demand for food parcels is soaring with referrals more than tripling since May last year.

Co-ordinator Debby Harland said a man broke down in tears after he arrived on Wednesday having not eaten a proper meal for a fortnight, Lincolnshire Live reports.

She said: "He just had a chilli and sobbed that he had eaten.

“In that position, something so simple can make them break into tears.

“It’s awful to see that but we do form relationships. We do get to care about these people. We are human.

“It gets to me. Sometimes I have to go and take a moment to gather myself.

“It makes you grateful for what you have got.”

Since May last year, the number of food parcels, allocated to the homeless and those in need, has risen from 49 to 170 this year.

Debby added: "Funding to us went down by 50 per cent and referrals went up by 100 per cent," she said.

daily reminder that this shit is still happening today in one of the richest countries in the world

BIG SOCIETY

JESUS WOULD APPROVE

[Ifreann]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/desperately-hungry-man-cries-food-10679906?I

Food bank officials have told how a man burst into tears after he ate his first proper meal in two weeks.

Charity staff at The Store House in Skegness, Lincolnshire, say demand for food parcels is soaring with referrals more than tripling since May last year.

Co-ordinator Debby Harland said a man broke down in tears after he arrived on Wednesday having not eaten a proper meal for a fortnight, Lincolnshire Live reports.

She said: "He just had a chilli and sobbed that he had eaten.

“In that position, something so simple can make them break into tears.

“It’s awful to see that but we do form relationships. We do get to care about these people. We are human.

“It gets to me. Sometimes I have to go and take a moment to gather myself.

“It makes you grateful for what you have got.”

Since May last year, the number of food parcels, allocated to the homeless and those in need, has risen from 49 to 170 this year.

Debby added: "Funding to us went down by 50 per cent and referrals went up by 100 per cent," she said.

daily reminder that this shit is still happening today in one of the richest countries in the world

But the real disgrace is how much cheese you import. *nods*

[Great Nepal]

Bollocks, greece forced its own economy down the toilet - EU merely voluntarily offered a bailout and like any handout it came with conditions.

And how have those conditions been working then?

Irrelevant, the cause of problem is the Greece - blaming EU for not just freely bailing out a country that was committing fraud is entirely entitled.

[Chestaan]

And how have those conditions been working then?

Irrelevant, the cause of problem is the Greece - blaming EU for not just freely bailing out a country that was committing fraud is entirely entitled.

If the conditions:

1) Did not achieve their aim

2) Actively caused hardship

Then those conditions are a huge problem. I mean if they haven't worked and yet actively caused hardship then what is their purpose?

Anyway, have a look at where the money from the bailout went. Largely to French and German banks. Greece wasn't so much bailed out as those banks were bailed out and the Greek taxpayer was forced to pay the cost. Bailouts were strictly forbidden by the Maastrict treaty, default was not. Greece would have been better off had it defaulted from the start.

Not to mention that Greece wasn't the only country bailed out, the rest of the PIIGS must also be considered. Ireland is particularly interesting because the vast vast majority of the debt came from private banks and not the state. There was no fraud involved. Rather than austerity, couldn't the banks just have been left to default?

Not to mention that a huge part of the whole problem was the setup from the eurozone from the start. Would there be a eurozone crisis without a euro currency and the incredibly poor way in which it was implemented? Of course not. Would the Greek government and people have gone into such huge levels of debt had the eurozone not existed and facilitated lending of such easy credit? No, of course not,

Acting as if the PIIGS countries were the ones solely responsible for this crisis is not only hilariously incorrect, but its also an immoral justification of an immensely destructive policy.

The EU policy with regards to Greece and the other indebted countries is causing problems. Not only that, but along with the hardship it causes it makes zero economic sense. It simply hasn't worked. The EU needs to be called out on this insanity and any discussion on Brexit needs to consider this fact.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

If the EU did nothing, Greece would have defaulted, and that would have meant SPENDING = REVENUE, i.e. harsher austerity than in fact happened, quicker.

[Liberated Territories]

Happy independence day to all the denizens of the UK Politics Thread. Cheers!

But we're not independent yet.

tbf neither was America when it *declared* its independence.

[Hydesland]

Did anyone catch this bit of drama with Sadiq Khan in the London Assembly?

Context: a bunch of Hezbollah flags spotted yet again at the Al Quds day march, Sadiq Khan being super evasive regarding a request he write to the home secretary for clarification on whether Hezbollah should be considered a terrorist organization (fun fact, the UK apparently doesn't consider Hezbollah's political wing a terrorist organization, unlike the US, France, Arab League, Canda, Netherlands etc...)

[Vassenor]

So what do we make of Leadsom trying to abolish the free press in order to stamp out "unpatriotic" coverage of the negotiations?