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by Krugmar » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:41 pm
by Warg the Immortal » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:49 pm
by Krugmar » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:07 pm
Warg the Immortal wrote:@Krugmar, you should include Ser Joffrey Dayne, since he was around during Aegon's life
by The Valyria Empire » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:36 pm
Nuxipal wrote:Rhaenys Targaryen, Naerys Targaryen
Warg the Immortal wrote:Name: Daemon Velaryon, Ser Aurion Waters of Spicetown
Dentali wrote:Loren I Lannister
Personality: Pragmatist, Brace, Cautious, Patient, Condescending, Huge nerd, envious, temperate, deceitful, just
Skills: Brilliant Steward, Rich as fuck, good organizer, Trained Fighter, shrewd, scholar, administrator, Trickster
2 sons, Gerold 32 and Kevan 28, Gerold is married to a member of house Brax and Kevan of house Crakehall
Wife, Cynda 44 from House Kenning
Daughter Cerissa 18 unmarried
Nuxipal wrote: Ser Steffon Darke
Eraus wrote:King Torrhen Stark, Arthur Stark
Blackledge wrote:Sharra Arryn, Osric Arryn
Krugmar wrote:Alaric Dayne 'the Sword of the Morning'
by Warg the Immortal » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:41 pm
by The Valyria Empire » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:49 pm
Warg the Immortal wrote:I see your point. However, Corlys did become a knight, despite being Valyrian, so Im unsure if he was a knight prior to Aegon beginning his campaign or not. If he wasn't, then I'll change Aethon, Corlys and Aurion back to regular warriors and change Aurions backstory to just say becoming a warrior for his liege
by Warg the Immortal » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:55 pm
The Valyria Empire wrote:Warg the Immortal wrote:I see your point. However, Corlys did become a knight, despite being Valyrian, so Im unsure if he was a knight prior to Aegon beginning his campaign or not. If he wasn't, then I'll change Aethon, Corlys and Aurion back to regular warriors and change Aurions backstory to just say becoming a warrior for his liege
I would assume when Aegon was crowned, that he and all the Valyrian males who converted were probably knighted. So, I would say they are just standard warriors. Perhaps trying to be a good captain/admiral for his liege.
by Ism » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:56 pm
Warg the Immortal wrote:The Valyria Empire wrote:>Highfalls
>House Seat is surrounded by waterfalls
>Name is literally a reference to waterfalls
>House Sigil is a tree
Anyway, errands are done. I'll start work on apps.
I think the grey tree is reference to how the keep is called stone bark, and the blue behind it is a waterfall
by The Valyria Empire » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:12 pm
Ism wrote:Warg the Immortal wrote:I think the grey tree is reference to how the keep is called stone bark, and the blue behind it is a waterfall
Yes this is what I was going for, with the two bits of gray on the side representing the rock faces the falls flow down. I can change it, though considering how annoying it was to edit that sigil I'd rather not do it unnecessarily, so unless it's a sticking point I'll keep it as is.
by Dentali » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
by Eraus » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:22 pm
by Jhet » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:05 am
Application
Mern IX Gardener
Age: 52
Gender: Male
Titles: Mern of House Gardener, Ninth of His Name, Lord of Highgarden, King of the Reach
House: Gardener
House Seat: Highgarden
House Sigil: Green hand on white
Allegiance paid to: The realm.
Appearance: Not uncommonly tall, Mern is a strong man, with a well defined body that proudly bears the marks of a trained knight. His hair reaches his shoulders, thick and ever shining in the sun.
Personality: Proud, be that of his family or the legacy he is sure to leave behind. A true leader of men, Mern knows what it is to be king, capable of acts of great kindness as easily as those of great ruthlessness. He is easily pleased, content to provide for his family even as he harbours darker ambitions to make the Hand rise above all others.
Skills: A skilled administrator and tested strategist. As capable with a sword as he is at the head of an army.
Weaponry: Various armours, shields and instruments of war.
Military Strength: 100,000 men, 220 galleys, 50 longships
Biography: Mern was the first-born of Garse VII, slain at Summerfield by the Stormlanders. A man-grown when he inherited his father's throne, Mern was forced to care for a realm recovering from that most heinous of defeats. Others would have balked at such a task, proved themselves incapable at turning back the wheels of crisis that threatened the land of chivalry. Mern, instead, proved himself more than capable of administering in such a state. From launching devastating retaliatory strikes against the Stormlanders and Dornishmen to wedding his extended family to the great landowners of the realm, Mern stabilised the realm before it could descend into infighting.
As a monarch, Mern remained in the eye of his people. Ever travelling from frontier to frontier, touring the keeps on the marches and the towns of the interior, the king kept a great procession of nobles and ladies and performers to awe his subjects. With a gilded hand he would uplift the commoners to stations of respect, taking on the children of his father as wards and pages, wedding old knights to merchant daughters and returning stolen land to its rightful owners. With steel he kept the prosperity of the land, leading great expeditions into the forests and valleys to hunt down bandits and pacify rebellious vassals, dispensing justice wherever he ventured with a stark pragmatism oft-unseen by noblemen or peasants alike.
His wife, Lady Hightower, has ever remained at his side, bringing forth four sons that have survived to their majority. Through such fertility is love proven among the nobles, strengthening the union between the Hand and the Tower even as man and wife continue to help bring their realm forward as a power capable of defeating its neighbours. Indeed, with the family so strong, the Hand has wed itself again into the greatest houses of the realm in order to secure the future prospects of the royal dynasty. The singers tell of another thousand years of rule by the Green Hand.
RP Example: Don't know how to link directly to posts
Family Tree:
- Mern Gardener, the IX, King of the Reach, fifty-two years old
-- his wife, Margaery Hightower
--- his firstborn, Edmund, heir to the Reach, thirty-one years old
---- Alerie Redwyne, his wife
----- their child, Perceon, the Fawn, a young man of thirteen years
--- his son, Gawen, the White Prince, twenty-nine years old
---- Cassella Peake, his wife
----- their child, Garth, a young man of twelve years
--- his daughter, Rhae
---- her husband, Manfred Rowan, lord of Goldengrove
--- his son, Garse, twenty-five years old
--- his son, Axell, twenty-five years old
---- his wife, Jeyne Lannister
--- his daughter, Alysanne,
---- her husband, Luthor Crane, lord of Red Lake
- Gyles, the King's brother, forty-five years old
-- his wife, Falia Oakheart
--- their firstborn, Mern, a young man of twenty
--- their child, Leyla
---- her husband, Jon Beesbury, third in line to Honeyholt
--- their child, Edwyn, a young man of eighteen
- Merle, the King's brother, forty years old
-- his wife, Selyse Tarly
--- their child, Loras, a young man of sixteen
Household:
- Harlan Tyrell, Castellan of Highgarden
- Cletyon Oakheart, Seneschal of Highgarden
- Myles Peake, Master-at-Arms
- Ossy Whitegrove, master of horse
- Septon Mussy, keeper of the Sept
- Septon Oswell, keeper of the Library
- Raymond Peatgrove, master of the kennels
- Randyll Starlight, a Knight
- Theomar Oakenshield, a Knight
- Symon Darklight, a Knight
by Ruskland-Preuben » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:51 am
by Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:09 am
Jhet wrote:-SNIP-
by Ruskland-Preuben » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:50 am
by The Valyria Empire » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:08 am
Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Donetsk with the app.
by Ruskland-Preuben » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:20 am
The Valyria Empire wrote:Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Donetsk with the app.
The Crossroads(red dot BTW)
Fixed your link. Also you still need a character app for the current Lord. I'll analysis the app later.
by Utceforp » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:24 am
Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Name: House Croose
House Sigil: Here
House Words: A Road, A Possibility
Allegiance Paid to: King Mern IX Gardener
House Seat: [url]http://i.imgur.com/hddB5rz.png]The Crossroads[/url](red dot BTW)
Approx Number of military at command: WIP
History of the House (At least two well written paragraphs please): House Croose dates back to a few years before the invasion of the Andals, with the founder of the house, Wiwyck, conquering a small town and wood fort slightly northwest of a river of the Blackwater Rush, and subsequently, the river Blackwater from a horribly incompetent and unloved ruler. Though his gains were small, he was content and made do with his town and his fort, and the smallness of his realm would be good in getting ignored by the bigger players. And using this, he built to his heart's content without any pretentious high nobles prattling and disturbing his business. The fort quickly turned into a small stone castle, and the town turned bustling.
His location was of utmost importance as well, located and connected on and to the edges of the fertile Reach, the fractious lands of the Riverlands, and the areas around Blackwater Bay, he was in a position to play three areas at once, and glean money and knowledge from those lands. And so, at his thirties, he began roads, many, many roads, many of which too minor to be on most maps of Westeros, and others, parts of the great roads, the Roseroad and the Kingsroad to name the most.
Old Wiwyck Croose died at the age of 57, while overseeing the finishing of an upgrade to the castle, now the Crossroads. And was succeeded by his 28 year old son, Wawyck.
Fast forward to the present, paranoid but shrewd and brutally efficient Pywyck hears of word of Fire and Blood, and has a fit. The Crossroads is a mighty castle on the small hill, but not that mighty of the great houses' fortresses. Crossroads Town is a bustling city under the shadow of the hill and the fort it has on it, small creeks between the castle and the city simulate a marshy environment, but still is occupied by people, albeit poor people tend to live in the small marsh.
Pywyck has three sons and two daughters, they are respectively: Warwyck, the tall muscular heir, a military genius he thinks of himself, and good with a sword, mediocre in all other aspects though, and below average on the thought of scheming. Wyckkon, the first of two twins, mediocre with a sword, mediocre with ruling, mediocre in everything, though he is aiming for being a maester, his father really does not care. Meiou, pronounced "May-oug", can't learn anything but how to scheme, Master of Whispers of The Crossroads. On to the daughters! There's Maiya, black haired beauty, mediocre in everything but diplomacy, it helps that she has a silver tongue. Then there's young Wyanna, prodigy with a bow, and knows how to use it on horseback no less, still being coaxed into being a proper lady.
On other family members, there's the current Maester of the castle, Maester Pippin Croose, knows things, except on how to procure moon tea, he dislikes the stuff, he's also Pywyck's brother. All in all, quite a tight family.
Roleplay Example: In the sig
by Dentali » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:28 am
Utceforp wrote:Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Name: House Croose
House Sigil: Here
House Words: A Road, A Possibility
Allegiance Paid to: King Mern IX Gardener
House Seat: [url]http://i.imgur.com/hddB5rz.png]The Crossroads[/url](red dot BTW)
Approx Number of military at command: WIP
History of the House (At least two well written paragraphs please): House Croose dates back to a few years before the invasion of the Andals, with the founder of the house, Wiwyck, conquering a small town and wood fort slightly northwest of a river of the Blackwater Rush, and subsequently, the river Blackwater from a horribly incompetent and unloved ruler. Though his gains were small, he was content and made do with his town and his fort, and the smallness of his realm would be good in getting ignored by the bigger players. And using this, he built to his heart's content without any pretentious high nobles prattling and disturbing his business. The fort quickly turned into a small stone castle, and the town turned bustling.
His location was of utmost importance as well, located and connected on and to the edges of the fertile Reach, the fractious lands of the Riverlands, and the areas around Blackwater Bay, he was in a position to play three areas at once, and glean money and knowledge from those lands. And so, at his thirties, he began roads, many, many roads, many of which too minor to be on most maps of Westeros, and others, parts of the great roads, the Roseroad and the Kingsroad to name the most.
Old Wiwyck Croose died at the age of 57, while overseeing the finishing of an upgrade to the castle, now the Crossroads. And was succeeded by his 28 year old son, Wawyck.
Fast forward to the present, paranoid but shrewd and brutally efficient Pywyck hears of word of Fire and Blood, and has a fit. The Crossroads is a mighty castle on the small hill, but not that mighty of the great houses' fortresses. Crossroads Town is a bustling city under the shadow of the hill and the fort it has on it, small creeks between the castle and the city simulate a marshy environment, but still is occupied by people, albeit poor people tend to live in the small marsh.
Pywyck has three sons and two daughters, they are respectively: Warwyck, the tall muscular heir, a military genius he thinks of himself, and good with a sword, mediocre in all other aspects though, and below average on the thought of scheming. Wyckkon, the first of two twins, mediocre with a sword, mediocre with ruling, mediocre in everything, though he is aiming for being a maester, his father really does not care. Meiou, pronounced "May-oug", can't learn anything but how to scheme, Master of Whispers of The Crossroads. On to the daughters! There's Maiya, black haired beauty, mediocre in everything but diplomacy, it helps that she has a silver tongue. Then there's young Wyanna, prodigy with a bow, and knows how to use it on horseback no less, still being coaxed into being a proper lady.
On other family members, there's the current Maester of the castle, Maester Pippin Croose, knows things, except on how to procure moon tea, he dislikes the stuff, he's also Pywyck's brother. All in all, quite a tight family.
Roleplay Example: In the sig
Just FYI the Kingsroad doesn't exist yet, it was built by Jaehaerys the Good. I can't find any information about the age of the Roseroad or the other major Westerosi roads but I would assume they were built about the same time. (It's a bit counter-intuitive for independent competing kingdoms to decide to build massive roads to connect each other.)
by Ruskland-Preuben » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:16 am
by Ruskland-Preuben » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:19 am
by Jhet » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:54 am
Warg the Immortal wrote:No daughters?
So they are Scottish?Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Name: House Croose
I think I like that.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Words: A Road, A Possibility
1. That isn't how feudal armies work.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Approx Number of military at command: A thousand elite pikes, Lord Croose has a fetish for spears
The male names appear ironborn in origin and close enough to suggest that they are family names. Nice, I like it. However I personally prefer canon names, and those female names are... unsettling.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Pywyck, Warwyck, Wyckkon, Meiou, Maiya, Wyanna
How did they manage to get the strings in place to force the maesters to assign a family member to the Crossroads? No one apart from the Hightowers have that kind of power. And a maester unable to make/buy moon tea? Is he useless? A (non-controversial) RL comparison would be a dentist who allows a kid's tooth to rot away because he doesn't like performing surgery.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:On other family members, there's the current Maester of the castle, Maester Pippin Croose, knows things, except on how to procure moon tea, he dislikes the stuff
The Valyria Empire wrote:Military Strength: 1,200
Warg the Immortal wrote:Military Strength: Troops: 4000, Ships: 150 (Atleast 26 per ship, and another ~100 remaining to garrison)
by The Valyria Empire » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:21 am
Jhet wrote:Warg the Immortal wrote:No daughters?
None that are unwed. The Gardener's line died out when all the men were burnt, and there is no reference to any women after the Conquest.So they are Scottish?Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Name: House CrooseI think I like that.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:House Words: A Road, A Possibility1. That isn't how feudal armies work.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Approx Number of military at command: A thousand elite pikes, Lord Croose has a fetish for spears
2. The closest thing to an elite soldier is the knight, of which there is a 1-9/10 ratio between them and other soldiers.The male names appear ironborn in origin and close enough to suggest that they are family names. Nice, I like it. However I personally prefer canon names, and those female names are... unsettling.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:Pywyck, Warwyck, Wyckkon, Meiou, Maiya, WyannaHow did they manage to get the strings in place to force the maesters to assign a family member to the Crossroads? No one apart from the Hightowers have that kind of power. And a maester unable to make/buy moon tea? Is he useless? A (non-controversial) RL comparison would be a dentist who allows a kid's tooth to rot away because he doesn't like performing surgery.Ruskland-Preuben wrote:On other family members, there's the current Maester of the castle, Maester Pippin Croose, knows things, except on how to procure moon tea, he dislikes the stuffThe Valyria Empire wrote:Military Strength: 1,200Warg the Immortal wrote:Military Strength: Troops: 4000, Ships: 150 (Atleast 26 per ship, and another ~100 remaining to garrison)
tl;dr your numbers are too large. The Narrow Sea can only muster 3/4k.
- It appears that the Narrow Sea (Celtigar, Velaryon, Targaryen, Massey, and Bar Emmon) can only muster in the region of 3/4k total: "Accounts differ on how many swords set sail from Dragonstone with Aegon and his sisters. Some say three thousand; others number them only in the hundreds...The Conqueror's first true test came from Lord Darklyn of Duskendale and Lord Mooton of Maidenpool, who joined their power and marched south with three thousand men to drove the invaders back into the sea."
- This is supported by the Cressen prologue which states Stannis had 3k from his levies: " The morning air was hazy with the smoke of cookfires, as three thousand men sat down to break their fasts beneath the banners of their lords"
- Indeed, the Targaryen naval strength is quite poor. Where: "A hastily assembled Arryn fleet, augmented by a dozen Braavosi warships, met and defeated the Targaryen fleet in the waters off Gulltown...The men of the Vale sank a third of the Targaryen ships and captured near as many."
- When Aegon's army (participated in two bloody battles I grant) is joined by a host of rivermen outside Harrenhal, he only numbers 8k: "Yield now, and your sons will live to rule after you. I have eight thousand men outside your walls."
Now we don't know the strength Orys had against Argilac, but it couldn't have been much given that it was only the Crownland strength, Aegon having made off with an army of his own (which was smaller), and it lost 1k before the battle. Even so, the stormlands only outnumbered them 2-1 (granted after Errol and Fell and Buckler are burned out of the Kingswood) which, given the other army sizes, was probably in the region of 14-18k, which puts Orys' army size at 8-10k, which was reduced in the Kingswood to 7-9k. And then Aegon had ~3-5k, and lost a fair number before being augmented by the rivermen. That is in line with Elia's assigned numbers for the strength of the Crownlands.
by Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:54 pm
The Valyria Empire wrote:Jhet wrote:None that are unwed. The Gardener's line died out when all the men were burnt, and there is no reference to any women after the Conquest.So they are Scottish?
I think I like that.
1. That isn't how feudal armies work.
2. The closest thing to an elite soldier is the knight, of which there is a 1-9/10 ratio between them and other soldiers.
The male names appear ironborn in origin and close enough to suggest that they are family names. Nice, I like it. However I personally prefer canon names, and those female names are... unsettling.
How did they manage to get the strings in place to force the maesters to assign a family member to the Crossroads? No one apart from the Hightowers have that kind of power. And a maester unable to make/buy moon tea? Is he useless? A (non-controversial) RL comparison would be a dentist who allows a kid's tooth to rot away because he doesn't like performing surgery.tl;dr your numbers are too large. The Narrow Sea can only muster 3/4k.
- It appears that the Narrow Sea (Celtigar, Velaryon, Targaryen, Massey, and Bar Emmon) can only muster in the region of 3/4k total: "Accounts differ on how many swords set sail from Dragonstone with Aegon and his sisters. Some say three thousand; others number them only in the hundreds...The Conqueror's first true test came from Lord Darklyn of Duskendale and Lord Mooton of Maidenpool, who joined their power and marched south with three thousand men to drove the invaders back into the sea."
- This is supported by the Cressen prologue which states Stannis had 3k from his levies: " The morning air was hazy with the smoke of cookfires, as three thousand men sat down to break their fasts beneath the banners of their lords"
- Indeed, the Targaryen naval strength is quite poor. Where: "A hastily assembled Arryn fleet, augmented by a dozen Braavosi warships, met and defeated the Targaryen fleet in the waters off Gulltown...The men of the Vale sank a third of the Targaryen ships and captured near as many."
- When Aegon's army (participated in two bloody battles I grant) is joined by a host of rivermen outside Harrenhal, he only numbers 8k: "Yield now, and your sons will live to rule after you. I have eight thousand men outside your walls."
Now we don't know the strength Orys had against Argilac, but it couldn't have been much given that it was only the Crownland strength, Aegon having made off with an army of his own (which was smaller), and it lost 1k before the battle. Even so, the stormlands only outnumbered them 2-1 (granted after Errol and Fell and Buckler are burned out of the Kingswood) which, given the other army sizes, was probably in the region of 14-18k, which puts Orys' army size at 8-10k, which was reduced in the Kingswood to 7-9k. And then Aegon had ~3-5k, and lost a fair number before being augmented by the rivermen. That is in line with Elia's assigned numbers for the strength of the Crownlands.
I didn't look at Warg's military strength. I assumed Dragonstone would have about 1,000 give or take with Driftmark having 900 and Claw Isle having 600. Warg, I would have to ask that you change that.
by Nuxipal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:00 pm
Warg the Immortal wrote:The Valyria Empire wrote:I didn't look at Warg's military strength. I assumed Dragonstone would have about 1,000 give or take with Driftmark having 900 and Claw Isle having 600. Warg, I would have to ask that you change that.
Very well. Though the number of 3000 troops had a only listed for Aegon's First Test, which (I believe) occurred after he had landed and established the Aegonfort. He would've left some garrison at Dragonstone, Driftmark, Claw Isle and the Aegonfort, so I believe his total forces were higher than 3000. Also, Driftmark is the largest of the three islands, with two towns, so I believe it would have a larger number than 900. Though I'll agree 4000 is too high.
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