[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Gauliscia]

They didnt target militant catholics, they targeted catholics.

Solely because of their religion, and they murdered, maimed and traumatised hundreds of people for something so fucking trivial as being a catholic. The majority of IRA combatants killed were killed by security forces such as the police and army. Loyalist paramilitaries were nothing more than kill squads who abducted people from catholic communities (sometimes mistaking their own people for being catholic, or just for having catholic friends) and then torturing and murdering them.

Yeah this. I'm absolutely sick of people coming to the conclusion that because the IRA were bad that the Loyalists were good. And not only did they murder Catholics, but they often did it in the most awful ways, such as was the case with the aptly named Shankill Butchers.

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

[Napkiraly]

Not really.

Maybe I don't know enough about him - but I recall him being an immensely conservative figure who did some very shady things. I don't trust people from either side (Sinn Fein or DUP) to tell you the truth.

He was a great bloke who did no wrong. Just lead some orange themed parades here and there and disapproved of policies of the Catholic Church openly.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Well, this is interesting.
https://www.thequint.com/world/2017/06/ ... -drop-case
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/4029

What's the executive summary here?

These are the people (DUP) the conservatives will be in a confidence and supply agreement with.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah this. I'm absolutely sick of people coming to the conclusion that because the IRA were bad that the Loyalists were good. And not only did they murder Catholics, but they often did it in the most awful ways, such as was the case with the aptly named Shankill Butchers.

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

So you are fine with all the innocent people they killed purely because they were a loyalist group?

They would have killed you for being a catholic, does not matter how much you like the crown or want it to prevail. You are their enemy as far as you are concerned, and during the troubles, they would have ripped our guts out or put a bullet in your head as they did to plenty of people who did no wrong. This is fucking delusion beyond belief.

[Chestaan]

Yeah this. I'm absolutely sick of people coming to the conclusion that because the IRA were bad that the Loyalists were good. And not only did they murder Catholics, but they often did it in the most awful ways, such as was the case with the aptly named Shankill Butchers.

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

They would literally carve you to pieces for being a Catholic. If the Crown needs that kind of support then it clearly has outlived its usefulness.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

So you are fine with all the innocent people they killed purely because they were a loyalist group?

They would have killed you for being a catholic, does not matter how much you like the crown or want it to prevail. You are their enemy as far as you are concerned, and during the troubles, they would have ripped our guts out or put a bullet in your head as they did to plenty of people who did no wrong. This is fucking delusion beyond belief.

I don't think it was about religion, that's just propaganda, whilst I condemn the terror bombing of IRA, their armed struggle against the British state was no less legitimate than America's war of independence against the British (concluding in 1776),in my opinion.

[Gauliscia]

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

So you are fine with all the innocent people they killed purely because they were a loyalist group?

They would have killed you for being a catholic, does not matter how much you like the crown or want it to prevail. You are their enemy as far as you are concerned, and during the troubles, they would have ripped our guts out or put a bullet in your head as they did to plenty of people who did no wrong. This is fucking delusion beyond belief.

Well that's a bit rum and unfortunate and if I was a victim I might have a different stance but the fact remains that I find them less odious than Sinn Fein.

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

They would literally carve you to pieces for being a Catholic. If the Crown needs that kind of support then it clearly has outlived its usefulness.

Not at all. Things aren't so black and white.

[Major-Tom]

Maybe I don't know enough about him - but I recall him being an immensely conservative figure who did some very shady things. I don't trust people from either side (Sinn Fein or DUP) to tell you the truth.

He was a great bloke who did no wrong. Just lead some orange themed parades here and there and disapproved of policies of the Catholic Church openly.

I fucking hate the Church too, but no wrong? Let's be very clear - his rhetoric against Catholics in the 60s and 70s was a contributing factor to the Troubles as he inspired a bunch of Protestant "Ulster Loyalists" to rise up and start some shit with militant Catholics.

Furthermore, he helped organize a paramilitary movement and opposed the peace process in the 1990s that nearly effectively ended the Troubles.

Even the Reagan government, which was effectively more willing to side with the Loyalists, blocked Paisley from entering the US because they deemed him as dangerous. This is the same administration that was fine with Apartheid but not Ian Paisley.

Honestly Nap? The guy sounded like an old, crusty, hateful piece of crap who only tried to shed that image in the 2000s.

[Major-Tom]

Ahem, clues are in the names. I will readily support the actions of a loyalist faction to the union over a separatist even if they are more brutal. The Crown must always prevail.

So you are fine with all the innocent people they killed purely because they were a loyalist group?

They would have killed you for being a catholic, does not matter how much you like the crown or want it to prevail. You are their enemy as far as you are concerned, and during the troubles, they would have ripped our guts out or put a bullet in your head as they did to plenty of people who did no wrong. This is fucking delusion beyond belief.

Note that Huskar is from Northern Ireland, so I'm willing to take what he says fairly seriously.

[Parti Ouvrier]

He was a great bloke who did no wrong. Just lead some orange themed parades here and there and disapproved of policies of the Catholic Church openly.

I fucking hate the Church too, but no wrong? Let's be very clear - his rhetoric against Catholics in the 60s and 70s was a contributing factor to the Troubles as he inspired a bunch of Protestant "Ulster Loyalists" to rise up and start some shit with militant Catholics.

Furthermore, he helped organize a paramilitary movement and opposed the peace process in the 1990s that nearly effectively ended the Troubles.

Even the Reagan government, which was effectively more willing to side with the Loyalists, blocked Paisley from entering the US because they deemed him as dangerous. This is the same administration that was fine with Apartheid but not Ian Paisley.

Honestly Nap? The guy sounded like an old, crusty, hateful piece of crap who only tried to shed that image in the 2000s.

^This

[Crysuko]

I wonder how many people were bumped off for being athiest

[The Huskar Social Union]

So you are fine with all the innocent people they killed purely because they were a loyalist group?

They would have killed you for being a catholic, does not matter how much you like the crown or want it to prevail. You are their enemy as far as you are concerned, and during the troubles, they would have ripped our guts out or put a bullet in your head as they did to plenty of people who did no wrong. This is fucking delusion beyond belief.

I don't think it was about religion, that's just propaganda, whilst I condemn the terror bombing of IRA, their armed struggle against the British state was no less legitimate than America's war of independence against the British (concluding in 1776),in my opinion.

It was not propaganda, they killed plenty of people because of their religion. Plenty of people from NI will say that, loyalist paramilitaries killed many of their victims because of religion and national identity.

My family went through it, as did many of their friends, and some of those friends did not survive.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I wonder how many people were bumped off for being athiest

Even though i am an atheist because of my name i would be incredibly hesitant to go through certain areas on foot such as the Shankill or the Village because of my name, Eamon McKernan.

[Philjia]

Maybe I don't know enough about him - but I recall him being an immensely conservative figure who did some very shady things. I don't trust people from either side (Sinn Fein or DUP) to tell you the truth.

He was a great bloke who did no wrong. Just lead some orange themed parades here and there and disapproved of policies of the Catholic Church openly.

Also he founded multiple paramilitary groups, covered up acts of sabotage, and collaborated with terrorist groups in the procurement of arms.

[Frank Zipper]

Fuck, she has given Michael Gove a Cabinet post.

[Major-Tom]

I wonder how many people were bumped off for being athiest

Even though i am an atheist because of my name i would be incredibly hesitant to go through certain areas on foot such as the Shankill or the Village because of my name, Eamon McKernan.

Don't doxx yourself online, lad.

[Napkiraly]

He was a great bloke who did no wrong. Just lead some orange themed parades here and there and disapproved of policies of the Catholic Church openly.

Also he founded multiple paramilitary groups, covered up acts of sabotage, and collaborated with terrorist groups in the procurement of arms.

Pft, trifle matters.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I don't think it was about religion, that's just propaganda, whilst I condemn the terror bombing of IRA, their armed struggle against the British state was no less legitimate than America's war of independence against the British (concluding in 1776),in my opinion.

It was not propaganda, they killed plenty of people because of their religion. Plenty of people from NI will say that, loyalist paramilitaries killed many of their victims because of religion and national identity.

My family went through it, as did many of their friends, and some of those friends did not survive.

I guess the loyalists paramilitaries are worse than I thought. However, generally, I don't think Ireland's history can be summed up as religious conflict and I do concede the to the point you've just made.

[Gauliscia]

Fuck, she has given Michael Gove a Cabinet post.

Michael Gove is a solid chap

[Crysuko]

I'm pretty sure my name would get me thrown out of more than a few pubs in northern England, but that's about it.

[Frank Zipper]

Fuck, she has given Michael Gove a Cabinet post.

Michael Gove is a solid chap

If you need someone to stab Boris, I suppose he is a natural choice.

[Gauliscia]

I'm pretty sure my name would get me thrown out of more than a few pubs in northern England, but that's about it.

My name is unpronounceable to most

[Vassenor]

Also he founded multiple paramilitary groups, covered up acts of sabotage, and collaborated with terrorist groups in the procurement of arms.

Pft, trifle matters.

So we're back to sympathising with terrorists only being bad when it's a Labour MP being accused of it?

Fuck, she has given Michael Gove a Cabinet post.

Michael Gove is a solid chap

He's also an utter twat who spent the entire Brexit campaign talking down to the electorate. Also kind of fucked up the Education system when he was Secretary.

[Crysuko]

I'm pretty sure my name would get me thrown out of more than a few pubs in northern England, but that's about it.

My name is unpronounceable to most

in what way?

[Olivaero]

I'm pretty sure my name would get me thrown out of more than a few pubs in northern England, but that's about it.

Erm what? wtf do you think the north of England is like?