[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[McWarlordiaTM]

I wasn't fine with any of the candidates, that's why I didn't vote. Don't you think it's a potential issue? parties have been trying for years to try and harness younger voters and now they've found out how to.

Maybe you don't care since you got what you wanted yesterday. I'm more annoyed that they're taking advantage of the fact 18-24 don't care enough to even learn about a party's policy and what it means beyond the very basics. When you have a pool of politically uneducated voters you can tap into whenever you want it damages the integrity of our democratic process.

What makes you think they're politically uneducated?

Because they voted for Labour on the basis of "Tory Austerity"

Most of the people at my College don't even know what it means.

[Ifreann]

What makes you think they're politically uneducated?

Because they voted for Labour on the basis of "Tory Austerity"

And who told you that?

Most of the people at my College don't even know what it means.

I doubt you've actually asked any of the people at your college if they know what austerity means. I would wager that you are basing this on very limited interactions that you may not even have been involved in. You know, like most people who chat shit about their own generation.

[McWarlordiaTM]

I couldn't bring myself to even bother voting when I realised the futility of it. Anyway you scratch it someone who is not fit to be Prime Minister in a party of hypocrites will win. I'm pretty dismayed at the fact Corbyn managed to coast to success on the back of politically inept 18-24 year olds. Way to shame my demographic.

Not to blatantly argue with you, but Canterbury changed hands (from Tory to Labour) for the first time since World War 1 by a margin of 187 votes. And the SNP retained control of one of their seats by a margin of 2 votes - it was literally THAT close.

So in future, I would suggest if you are thinking that your vote doesn't mater, and voting is futile, reconsider that thought

It was more a case of me not liking any of the parties. I did try to root for May because of tribal politico and blah blah but she bungled it up with her robotic campaign and pledge to lower radicalisation by censoring the internet. Then I wanted to root for UKIP but I realised pretty quickly that they've always been a one topic party, no matter what Knuttle says. And the LibDems and Labour have alway just been unappealing to me with their money tree manifesto's. I'm English so SNP and Plaid were out of the question leaving me with a rock and a hard place. I naturally gravitated to the two parties who would deliver a better Brexit but I ruled them both out fairly quickly when the Manifestos dropped.

Politics in general has just become really uninspiring for me. i'm not sure if anyone else feels the same way.

[Chestaan]

What makes you think they're politically uneducated?

Because they voted for Labour on the basis of "Tory Austerity"

Most of the people at my College don't even know what it means.

Yeah I somehow doubt that's true. If the people at your college don't know what austerity is after having lived through the Great Recession then your college must be full of morons.

[Imperializt Russia]

You didn't vote; quite clearly you were fine with whoever won yesterday - stop being dismayed by candidates a day too late.

I wasn't fine with any of the candidates, that's why I didn't vote. Don't you think it's a potential issue? parties have been trying for years to try and harness younger voters and now they've found out how to.

Maybe you don't care since you got what you wanted yesterday. I'm more annoyed that they're taking advantage of the fact 18-24 don't care enough to even learn about a party's policy and what it means beyond the very basics. When you have a pool of politically uneducated voters you can tap into whenever you want it damages the integrity of our democratic process.

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

[McWarlordiaTM]

Because they voted for Labour on the basis of "Tory Austerity"

And who told you that?

Most of the people at my College don't even know what it means.

I doubt you've actually asked any of the people at your college if they know what austerity means. I would wager that you are basing this on very limited interactions that you may not even have been involved in. You know, like most people who chat shit about their own generation.

We actually have a weekly debate group at my College. Where anyone who wants can get involved and give seminars and the like.

I feel like everyone is going through a process of elimination because I called out Corbyn on him taking advantage of it. Is this what tribe politics looks like?

[Chestaan]

And I think we have Jezza to thank for the youth turnout. He offers us young people hope for a better future, a break from the traditional neoliberal politics.

[Great Nepal]

You didn't vote; quite clearly you were fine with whoever won yesterday - stop being dismayed by candidates a day too late.

I wasn't fine with any of the candidates, that's why I didn't vote. Don't you think it's a potential issue? parties have been trying for years to try and harness younger voters and now they've found out how to.

Maybe you don't care since you got what you wanted yesterday. I'm more annoyed that they're taking advantage of the fact 18-24 don't care enough to even learn about a party's policy and what it means beyond the very basics. When you have a pool of politically uneducated voters you can tap into whenever you want it damages the integrity of our democratic process.

You weren't fine with any of the candidates to a perfectly equal degree, that's definitely an achievement. No young voters are finally voting, which means politicians will need to push policies designed to help the 18-24 group and can diversify from oap group - assuming this isn't just a blip, that is a good thing.

Bollocks, I'm generally apathetic towards Labour due to their more control economy stance and Corbyn's stance on EU is distasteful to say the least; Lib Dems are probably closest but even they had to weaken their EU stance. All of this was obviously less important than weakening the far right tories - that is the system that exists and that is the system that people including people who chose not to vote chose to keep. I doubt many swing voters/ first time voters somehow swallowed everything the party they voted for said - they simply who was the least worst candidate and quite frankly thats what elections are.

[McWarlordiaTM]

Because they voted for Labour on the basis of "Tory Austerity"

Most of the people at my College don't even know what it means.

Yeah I somehow doubt that's true. If the people at your college don't know what austerity is after having lived through the Great Recession then your college must be full of morons.

That's exactly my point.

[McWarlordiaTM]

I wasn't fine with any of the candidates, that's why I didn't vote. Don't you think it's a potential issue? parties have been trying for years to try and harness younger voters and now they've found out how to.

Maybe you don't care since you got what you wanted yesterday. I'm more annoyed that they're taking advantage of the fact 18-24 don't care enough to even learn about a party's policy and what it means beyond the very basics. When you have a pool of politically uneducated voters you can tap into whenever you want it damages the integrity of our democratic process.

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

[Imperializt Russia]

And who told you that?


I doubt you've actually asked any of the people at your college if they know what austerity means. I would wager that you are basing this on very limited interactions that you may not even have been involved in. You know, like most people who chat shit about their own generation.

We actually have a weekly debate group at my College. Where anyone who wants can get involved and give seminars and the like.

I feel like everyone is going through a process of elimination because I called out Corbyn on him taking advantage of it. Is this what tribe politics looks like?

"Tribal politics" is saying "well, this party likely to win is blatantly against any of my views and interests, so I shall vote for this other party that always looks likely to challenge them".

This is sometimes simplified to "voting the way their parents did", which is technically accurate, and portraying people as just voting that way "because".
Which obviously some people do. But most "tribal voters" don't.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

I'm sorry, isn't that how all party politics works?

Interests are catered to and people vote on this basis.

How the fuck did you think it works?

[Bakery Hill]

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

Aren't you an ancap?

[Dooom35796821595]

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

All parties try to bribe voters, it's part of the game.

[McWarlordiaTM]

And I think we have Jezza to thank for the youth turnout. He offers us young people hope for a better future, a break from the traditional neoliberal politics.

That's cool, but I'm more concerned with how he's going to do that. Which seems to be something he can't answer judging by the lack of price tags in his manifesto. I don't he understands that things require money and the money has to come from some where.

[Philjia]

After a short illness (IE Having had a disturbed night's sleep I vomited up my breakfast and slept fitfully until 1:30PM), I'm back to give my final verdict.

In normal circumstances, this would be embarrassing for the Tories. They've lost seats to a party led by a man everyone assumed was a no hoper, and they will now have to have their government propped up by those nutters in the DUP. In the context of the political climate, it's even worse. May went out with the intention of getting a personal mandate, and totally fucked it up. She now has to go to Brussels with a minority government, and may not get the Brexit she wanted. If she does get it, it will be derided as only representing a minority opinion.

On the Labour side, Corbyn has defied expectations, and will be in a much stronger position to present opposition now. However, he still has a long way to go before actually being able to get a working majority. That said, whatever this Tory minority gets up to will probably help him.

The Lib Dems can thank FPTP for increasing their seat numbers even as their vote share dipped. They, along with the other minor parties have seriously lost support, although this is probably because of FPTP not rewarding support of minor parties. Faced with an opportunity to fuck the Tories, most people took it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

Literally every political part in existence offers people things to get them to vote for them.

Thats how they get votes.

[McWarlordiaTM]

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

Aren't you an ancap?

No, I'm not retarded.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, Labor won the most seats yet beacuse some random party who won ten seats they get to form a collection with zed random party?

Kinda silly don't ya think?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

And I think we have Jezza to thank for the youth turnout. He offers us young people hope for a better future, a break from the traditional neoliberal politics.

That's cool, but I'm more concerned with how he's going to do that. Which seems to be something he can't answer judging by the lack of price tags in his manifesto. I don't he understands that things require money and the money has to come from some where.

Yes, have a go at the party that actually costed their manifesto for not costing their manifesto.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So, Labor won the most seats yet beacuse some random party who won ten seats they get to form a collection with zed random party?

Kinda silly don't ya think?

Conservatives still hold the most seats overall though.

[Imperializt Russia]

And I think we have Jezza to thank for the youth turnout. He offers us young people hope for a better future, a break from the traditional neoliberal politics.

Estimated 2015 youth turnout: 43%
Estimated EU referendum youth turnout: 64%
Estimated 2017 youth turnout: 72%

It's almost like something happened in late 2015 that encouraged young people to get into politics

[Imperializt Russia]

So, Labor won the most seats yet beacuse some random party who won ten seats they get to form a collection with zed random party?

Kinda silly don't ya think?

Sorry, but I think you've misunderstood.

Because there are 650 seats in Parliament, a 50%+1 majority government needs 326 seats to have a minimum chance of passing legislation.
The Tories received 318 (one seat to declare, could be 319) and Labour 261.

The DUP won ten seats and naturally ally with the Tories, which would give the Tories a probable 328 seats effective on most issues.
Consider that Sinn Fein will refuse to take their seven seats, meaning that the effective majority threshold is basically 322 seats.

[Imperializt Russia]

Aren't you an ancap?

No, I'm not retarded.

Yet you have an AnCap flag.

[Calladan]

Except they did learn about party policy.

Which is why they went "wow the Tories are shit" and then later "holy fuck, Labour actually offer me things, why does no-one else do this?"

So a party has to bribe you to vote before you'll actually consider voting?

Depends on your definition of "bribe me".

If The Tories are cutting police numbers by the millions, while Labour are increasing them, is that a bribe? If Tories are quadrupling tuition fees while Labour are scrapping them, is that a bribe? In short, if the Tories are screwing over EVERYONE except their rich friends, while Labour are making the country better for everyone, is that a bribe?