[UK] General Election 2017 Superthread

[Vassenor]

Both of them went pretty well. This idea is a goer.

We're going to need a bigger House of Commons. And a slave race to take care of the everyday things. Try the Greeks - our terms might be better than their current masters!

We clearly have a different definition of "went pretty well"

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

What is this "internal polling"?

Anyway, I have general election-related news. I can't corroborate these with sources however as it is news I heard word of mouth from people I consider reliable (party staff), but I can cross-reference it with an analysis: the Tories own private polling is estimating that they will gain 50-80 seats. Labour's own private polling estimates 50-60. Below is a swingometer I conducted within that range to show what it would look like in terms of voting percentage along with an analysis from Labour Uncut which sort of explains 'why'.

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/swingo ... LD=6&GRN=2
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/po ... t-to-give/

I refer you to this.

Must remember to buy that bottle of rum, then.

Iain projected Great Grimsby turning Tory, something I would regard as terrifying.

[The Wolfiad]

I refer you to this.

Must remember to buy that bottle of rum, then.

Iain projected Great Grimsby turning Tory, something I would regard as terrifying.

Hopefully it's wrong and that rum is celebratory eh?

[Dumb Ideologies]

We clearly have a different definition of "went pretty well"

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

Constantly spam headlines without doing even basic fact checking of their veracity, then say opposition to your views is based on fake news. This is adorable!

[Imperializt Russia]

Must remember to buy that bottle of rum, then.

Iain projected Great Grimsby turning Tory, something I would regard as terrifying.

Hopefully it's wrong and that rum is celebratory eh?

That is indeed the intention.

I disappointed myself with the 2015 election and then Brexit.
I'm not staying up for the results this time.

Least I'll be home alone on Friday so I can be day-drunk either way.

[Calladan]

We clearly have a different definition of "went pretty well"

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

(smirk) I was talking more about the actual campaigns than the outcomes

[The Wolfiad]

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

Constantly spam headlines without doing even basic fact checking of their veracity, then say opposition to your views is based on fake news. This is adorable!

Honestly don't even bother. Like Vassenor is a very narrow part of the Remoaner definition (namely the indescribably insufferable Canary-reading wing of it), which itself is a very narrow part of the Remainer demographic (most of us are Re-Leavers remember).

[Dooom35796821595]

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

Constantly spam headlines without doing even basic fact checking of their veracity, then say opposition to your views is based on fake news. This is adorable!

Huh, I thought the POTUS preferred twitter.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Constantly spam headlines without doing even basic fact checking of their veracity, then say opposition to your views is based on fake news. This is adorable!

Huh, I thought the POTUS preferred twitter.

Vass is Donald Trump's Remoaner cousin?!

[Dooom35796821595]

Huh, I thought the POTUS preferred twitter.

Vass is Donald Trump's Remoaner cousin?!

Trump does have a Scottish mother, so it's certainly possible.

[Vassenor]

That's because you listen to all the fake news about it being a bad thing. Respect Democracy etc.

Constantly spam headlines without doing even basic fact checking of their veracity, then say opposition to your views is based on fake news. This is adorable!

If you're going to insist that everything suggesting a bad outcome is lies, you could at least prove it.

[Olerand]

1- And I have told you why it is a "good idea". It is the only system that a Western public will accept today. That alone is the "good idea".

We are discussing whether democrazy is desirable. You reply that people think it is so we must have it regardless. You are not even addressing the question.

2- Well, if we're annihilating ourselves, we're doing it awfully comfortably.

Sure. So's a heroin addict.

Almost all of the developing countries, who face incredible fertility rates during a time of increased global warming and climate change, are "killing" themselves too, and their deaths will be far messier than ours.
Perhaps we are all, really, just killing ourselves?

Countries with population explosions are not killing themselves. "Climate change" is just the latest in a series of leftist doomsday myths that predicted India should have starved to death several times over by now. No, they're still here, and in this century there will be more Ethiopians than Europeans. Since 2008 Ethiopia's population grew by more than the total population of the Low Countries. They're the winners in Darwin's game. Even if those countries did start starving - of which there's no indication - their populations would just move to Europe and we'd let them in. Want to know what a 2200 city will look like? Forget Star Trek, take a look at Addis Ababa.

3- What is the first sentence supposed to mean? I don't understand. Who is and is not a nation?

You said that central state education must be able to create nations because France is a nation following a period of explicit state efforts to create such a nation centrally. But England is also a nation despite no such efforts. What's more likely is that France would be a nation anyway, and the state schooling had little effect.

4- The success of integrating biologically "dissimilar" people, like the Indochinese and Chinese in France is proof that our problems are not "biological" in nature. We share more in common, "biologically" (in as much as this means anything) with the Maghrebins than we do with the Vietnamese.

That's strictly true. But the Chinese are more similar in relevant characteristics, like IQ and docility. The Chinese weren't better integrated, they were just more like you to begin with (and were and remain different in more subtle, less disruptive ways).

5- True, and this is a problem we need to address, now. Complaining about the past, and proposing inapplicable solutions is not the way forward.

Sure but that's all I have said - you disallow actual solutions to the problem. You're the centrist driver checking both wing mirrors as he goes off the cliff. You will accept exponential growth of Muslims in Europe and exponential decline of aboriginal Europeans - indeed you will fight any attempt to reverse either trend - and you will probably die in land you consider alien unable to understand why you have no countrymen and no country.

6- And you needn't bow down. I understand that the attitude, the public psyche, especially on social media and the internet in the Anglo world is dominated by the right and left divide (so Muslims always bad and evil, fear them vs. Muslims always good and innocent, defend them), but you need not "bow down" to anyone. Vote, get active, run for office, seek change. At no point are you obligated to "bow down".

I said that what Muslims want is for everyone else to bow to them, not that I am personally doing it.

The very fact that it is the sole acceptable form of governance in the developed world today makes it the only one desirable. People will accept nothing else. Thus, it is desirable.
There is no question to address, as Maggie said, There Is No Alternative.

Still, dying of heroin is relatively painless, in comparison to some other methods.

I don't understand. Do you deny climate change? And there is indeed the possibility that they will regurgitate their demographic excess on us, which one might argue they are doing already. So, I see two possible solutions. Stricter border controls to discourage entry, and increased funding in their own countries so that they will remain there.

It is not the sole way to form a nation, not at all. But it is a way to do so, and one with a proven record. Also, I would debate the idea that Britain today is still a "nation". I don't think it is. Scotland has a government that wants out, and half of the rest of Britain can't stand coexisting with the other half.

Well... That's an opinion. I'm not a biologist or a demographer or what have you, so I cannot speak on this topic. I do doubt the assertion that Arabs by and large have a lesser IQ than us or the Asians, but... OK...

I am a strong supporter of natalist policies, if only to support the increasing numbers of elderly that will place some strain on the pension system in the future. France, along with Ireland, are the only two European countries to even approach replacement level fertility, and we provide child support for working mothers, child subsidies to have children, and much more.
I recognize that there is a problem, I simply disagree on what it is that is a problem. I think it is cultural and values-based, you appear to think it is biological. I see no way to fix the "biological" problem short of an ethnically unacceptable method previously used by regimes I would rather France and Europe not resemble.

Some do. It is our job to make sure we do not, and that we foil their plans whenever we can. Granted, it is easier do to that in France than Britain, and I recognize as much.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

We may have to bring back the Empire to pay for this.

I don't think anyone would mind if you started with America.

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't think anyone would mind if you started with America.

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

*readies Molotov, soda farls and armalite*

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't think anyone would mind if you started with America.

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

The Eurasian continental plate?

[Ifreann]

I don't think anyone would mind if you started with America.

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

Føroyar.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

The Eurasian continental plate?

Eh, it'll do. Someone go stick a flag in it.

[The Liberated Territories]

We'll need a jumping off point to extend our colonial range. Say, what's that big island next to Great Britain called?

Føroyar.

Shetlandsøyene*

[Imperializt Russia]

According to Facebook, Betfair is running odds of 4/1 on May and 18/1 on Corbs with a max stake of £10.

So if I put down a tenner each way, I'd walk away with at least a £20 profit yeah?

[Olivaero]

According to Facebook, Betfair is running odds of 4/1 on May and 18/1 on Corbs with a max stake of £10.

So if I put down a tenner each way, I'd walk away with at least a £20 profit yeah?

Depends if they'er odds that she'll be PM, the Cons might replace her? Especially if she gets a minority government.

[Chestaan]

According to Facebook, Betfair is running odds of 4/1 on May and 18/1 on Corbs with a max stake of £10.

So if I put down a tenner each way, I'd walk away with at least a £20 profit yeah?

Sadly not. Usually with those promotional bets you will receive free bets rather than actual cash.

[Imperializt Russia]

According to Facebook, Betfair is running odds of 4/1 on May and 18/1 on Corbs with a max stake of £10.

So if I put down a tenner each way, I'd walk away with at least a £20 profit yeah?

Sadly not. Usually with those promotional bets you will receive free bets rather than actual cash.

Bloody capitalism.

I was hoping to finance a rather nice bottle of rum.

[Angleter]

Both of them went pretty well. This idea is a goer.

We're going to need a bigger House of Commons. And a slave race to take care of the everyday things. Try the Greeks - our terms might be better than their current masters!

Indeed. Slavery is far preferable to being livestock to German-imposed Aztec-style sacrifice.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elections ... ideo-ever/

In another news, this campaign ad is frightening if you watch until the end. Seriously, I jumped out my seat at the end as it woke me up when I dosed off midway.

http://iaindale.com/posts/2017/04/19/ge ... ons-so-far

This guy is worth paying attention to. He was quite accurate in his predictions in 2015. This is close to my own prediction, though I would disagree with a number of seats on an individual basis.

My own prediction's not far off that. I'm not sure to what extent that's genuine prediction on my part as opposed to wishy thinking. I haven't met a single Tory insider who's worried about the polls, I must say - although then again, I don't imagine there were many Democrat insiders who were worried on November 8th.

[Imperializt Russia]

Indeed. Slavery is far preferable to being livestock to German-imposed Aztec-style sacrifice.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elections ... ideo-ever/

In another news, this campaign ad is frightening if you watch until the end. Seriously, I jumped out my seat at the end as it woke me up when I dosed off midway.

http://iaindale.com/posts/2017/04/19/ge ... ons-so-far

This guy is worth paying attention to. He was quite accurate in his predictions in 2015. This is close to my own prediction, though I would disagree with a number of seats on an individual basis.

My own prediction's not far off that. I'm not sure to what extent that's genuine prediction on my part as opposed to wishy thinking. I haven't met a single Tory insider who's worried about the polls, I must say - although then again, I don't imagine there were many Democrat insiders who were worried on November 8th.

If that is the case, then why have the Tories been floundering in what come across as increasingly fraught personal attacks on the alleged character of Labour and Corbyn?

[Souseiseki]

Indeed. Slavery is far preferable to being livestock to German-imposed Aztec-style sacrifice.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elections ... ideo-ever/

In another news, this campaign ad is frightening if you watch until the end. Seriously, I jumped out my seat at the end as it woke me up when I dosed off midway.

http://iaindale.com/posts/2017/04/19/ge ... ons-so-far

This guy is worth paying attention to. He was quite accurate in his predictions in 2015. This is close to my own prediction, though I would disagree with a number of seats on an individual basis.

My own prediction's not far off that. I'm not sure to what extent that's genuine prediction on my part as opposed to wishy thinking. I haven't met a single Tory insider who's worried about the polls, I must say - although then again, I don't imagine there were many Democrat insiders who were worried on November 8th.

no really angleter i haven't seen you post in ages

what do you think about the police cuts, the teachers strikes, the doctor's strike, the nurses strike, us getting slammed for disability cuts and the homeless problem, the incoming regime of more surveillance and censorship etc.