Single rich guys getting snipped

[The Slightly Madlands]

Or you could just, I don't know, not go around screwing every woman who crosses your path unless you're prepared to accept responsibility for what happens next.

Or the women could not agree to the sex and thus, solve the problem, aren't they also half responsible?

[Xelsis]

Or, you know, just don't sleep around.

Marriage isn't sacred either. It's worse, because you work your arse off to provide for your family and then because you were working long and hard, the court system decides you're a shitty parent and takes the kids away from you.

Have children outside of marriage and don't want to support them? Government forces you into providing child support payments, through penalty of imprisonment. Have children inside of marriage and get divorced? Government takes most of your money and your children away and and forces you into providing child support payments, through penalty of imprisonment.

Looks pretty much like a double ended dildo to me because no matter what end you use, you get fucked anyway.

That's a problem with divorce laws, not with marriage. If you want to avoid getting screwed over, Covenant Marriage is a good protection.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Or you could just, I don't know, not go around screwing every woman who crosses your path unless you're prepared to accept responsibility for what happens next.

Or you could just exercise your right to bodily autonomy, have a vasectomy and sleep with whoever you want without being judged by strangers on the internet I guess.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Marriage isn't sacred either. It's worse, because you work your arse off to provide for your family and then because you were working long and hard, the court system decides you're a shitty parent and takes the kids away from you.

Have children outside of marriage and don't want to support them? Government forces you into providing child support payments, through penalty of imprisonment. Have children inside of marriage and get divorced? Government takes most of your money and your children away and and forces you into providing child support payments, through penalty of imprisonment.

Looks pretty much like a double ended dildo to me because no matter what end you use, you get fucked anyway.

That's a problem with divorce laws, not with marriage. If you want to avoid getting screwed over, Covenant Marriage is a good protection.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are terrible protections which very few couples engage in because couples don't like to imagine they'll split up when they make a commitment together.

[Xelsis]

That's a problem with divorce laws, not with marriage. If you want to avoid getting screwed over, Covenant Marriage is a good protection.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are terrible protections which very few couples engage in because couples don't like to imagine they'll split up when they make a commitment together.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are essentially opposites. A covenant marriage presupposes that you will not split up, and reinforces, not undermines, the commitment.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are terrible protections which very few couples engage in because couples don't like to imagine they'll split up when they make a commitment together.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are essentially opposites. A covenant marriage presupposes that you will not split up, and reinforces, not undermines, the commitment.

Yes, and engaged couples won't consider them necessary as engaged couples don't like to imagine that they'll be incompatible in the future.

[Costa Fierro]

That's a problem with divorce laws, not with marriage.

You know what marriage ends up in more often than not? Divorce. Marriages don't last, and the institution in of itself is outdated and rooted in extremely limiting gender roles.

If you want to avoid getting screwed over, Covenant Marriage is a good protection.

Covenant marriage doesn't avoid getting people screwed over when divorce happens. For one thing, I don't live in the US and even if I did, it's only three states.

[Thermodolia]

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are terrible protections which very few couples engage in because couples don't like to imagine they'll split up when they make a commitment together.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are essentially opposites. A covenant marriage presupposes that you will not split up, and reinforces, not undermines, the commitment.

No thanks I'd rather not have that

[Chestaan]

And then you just say "yeah we do" and you put one on.

You and your crazy suggestions.

So are you opposed to vasectomies in general?

[Xelsis]

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are essentially opposites. A covenant marriage presupposes that you will not split up, and reinforces, not undermines, the commitment.

Yes, and engaged couples won't consider them necessary as engaged couples don't like to imagine that they'll be incompatible in the future.

Once again, if an engaged couple feels that they will be together forever, making a public affirmation of that is not incompatible with such a belief.

That's a problem with divorce laws, not with marriage.

You know what marriage ends up in more often than not? Divorce. Marriages don't last, and the institution in of itself is outdated and rooted in extremely limiting gender roles.

Marriages do not last in the modern day, which is a condemnation against the modern day, and not marriage. The institution is not outdated, but undermined. One only needs to glance at the massive economic benefits to it, and downsides to the single parenthood that has come about from said undermining, to see how important it still is.

If you want to avoid getting screwed over, Covenant Marriage is a good protection.

Covenant marriage doesn't avoid getting people screwed over when divorce happens. For one thing, I don't live in the US and even if I did, it's only three states.

The point of a covenant marriage is that the divorce will not happen, or at least not so easily, giving you some additional protection against getting screwed over.

They certainly are limited at the moment-but similar laws can and should be adopted on a larger scale.

Pre-nuptials and covenant marriages are essentially opposites. A covenant marriage presupposes that you will not split up, and reinforces, not undermines, the commitment.

No thanks I'd rather not have that

Then you need to accept the consequences.

[Costa Fierro]

Once again, if an engaged couple feels that they will be together forever, making a public affirmation of that is not incompatible with such a belief.

It isn't, but it's archaic. And it also involves the government in your relationship as a third party, and the government has no qualms about coming down on top of you like a ton of bricks.

Marriages do not last in the modern day, which is a condemnation against the modern day, and not marriage. The institution is not outdated, but undermined.

Marriages don't last because people change. Marriage changes people. And when people change, so does their attitude and what they want.

One only needs to glance at the massive economic benefits to it, and downsides to the single parenthood that has come about from said undermining, to see how important it still is.

There are no economic benefits of marriage. Marriage may allow you to jointly file taxes, but when the marriage fails, it ruins men. For men, it's not beneficial and it isn't important, because you can have a less risky and still viable relationship with a woman without marriage.

The point of a covenant marriage is that the divorce will not happen, or at least not so easily, giving you some additional protection against getting screwed over.

It doesn't do any of those things. Simply making it less possible to get divorced doesn't mean the "till death do you part" aspect of it actually becomes legitimate, it just means something has to be more egregious before a divorce can be filed. It still doesn't stop divorces from happening and it still doesn't stop men from being screwed over when they happen.

Then you need to accept the consequences.

Why? Why should anyone have to "man up" and take the risk? Why should anyone have to tolerate or accept the consequences? Getting married shouldn't have to be the worst mistake you can ever make in your life as a man. But it is. No man deserves that kind of punishment.

[The BlAAtschApen]

My mother had sex with dudes, she got pregnant.

Daaaaaamn you kiss your mama with that mouth?

Haha, no. I know where she has been.

[The Holy Therns]

Poor rich guys.

Geddit? Eh? Eh?

[Thermodolia]

Yes, and engaged couples won't consider them necessary as engaged couples don't like to imagine that they'll be incompatible in the future.

Once again, if an engaged couple feels that they will be together forever, making a public affirmation of that is not incompatible with such a belief.

You know what marriage ends up in more often than not? Divorce. Marriages don't last, and the institution in of itself is outdated and rooted in extremely limiting gender roles.

Marriages do not last in the modern day, which is a condemnation against the modern day, and not marriage. The institution is not outdated, but undermined. One only needs to glance at the massive economic benefits to it, and downsides to the single parenthood that has come about from said undermining, to see how important it still is.

Covenant marriage doesn't avoid getting people screwed over when divorce happens. For one thing, I don't live in the US and even if I did, it's only three states.

The point of a covenant marriage is that the divorce will not happen, or at least not so easily, giving you some additional protection against getting screwed over.

They certainly are limited at the moment-but similar laws can and should be adopted on a larger scale.

No thanks I'd rather not have that

Then you need to accept the consequences.

Didn't say that I wasn't

[Nova Stephania]

Regardless of how I feel about their motivations, if they want to exercise autonomy over their bodies and their fertility then that's their choice. If anything I like to think such practice might positively impact adoption rates as the people doing this might well still want children someday.

[Arkinesia]

In the article there was one instance where a guy caught the female trying to inseminate herself with the sperm contained in the condom, condoms can fail as well.
And I am sure some had some baby batter frozen before getting a vasectomy just in case they wanted children later in life or try for a reversal.

Still silly. And paranoid. And hearing rich guys whined about how hard their lives are is just... cringe.

Relative suffering is a thing. Just because you don't view it as a major problem in life doesn't mean it can't be a serious problem.

[Thermodolia]

Still silly. And paranoid. And hearing rich guys whined about how hard their lives are is just... cringe.

Relative suffering is a thing. Just because you don't view it as a major problem in life doesn't mean it can't be a serious problem.

Rich guys do not suffer as much as the poor

[Nocturnalis]

Relative suffering is a thing. Just because you don't view it as a major problem in life doesn't mean it can't be a serious problem.

Rich guys do not suffer as much as the poor

So?

[Thermodolia]

Rich guys do not suffer as much as the poor

So?

So any rich guy who says their life is so so hard needs to try my life for awhile.

[Nocturnalis]

So?

So any rich guy who says their life is so so hard needs to try my life for awhile.

Ah, the good ol'' "I'm suffering more than you so your problems are irrelevant".

Cry me a river.

[Thermodolia]

So any rich guy who says their life is so so hard needs to try my life for awhile.

Ah, the good ol'' "I'm suffering more than you so your problems are irrelevant".

Cry me a river.

Well yes. Rich people problems aren't that important because they got money and comfort and lots of it. If I ever become rich I'd still say the same thing, that I have no clue about being poor.

Money changes people.


That being said I don't care what rich people do with their money or bodies within reason. They just don't get to say "oh woe is me my life is so damn hard" when in reality it's not

[The Slightly Madlands]

I mean like why is this really a discussion, if they want the snip, they can have it, not really important what the motive is.

[Des-Bal]

All fertile males are in a position to have children and to be responsible for those children regardless of the feelings they have or choices they make. It's a sensible decision.

Well yes. Rich people problems aren't that important because they got money and comfort and lots of it. If I ever become rich I'd still say the same thing, that I have no clue about being poor.

Money changes people.


That being said I don't care what rich people do with their money or bodies within reason. They just don't get to say "oh woe is me my life is so damn hard" when in reality it's not

Hey person with a computer, there are people whose lives have consisted of being born and then slowly starving to death. If you're saying people can't experience relative dissatisfaction you can go ahead and slap that gag on yourself.

[Thermodolia]

All fertile males are in a position to have children and to be responsible for those children regardless of the feelings they have or choices they make. It's a sensible decision.

Well yes. Rich people problems aren't that important because they got money and comfort and lots of it. If I ever become rich I'd still say the same thing, that I have no clue about being poor.

Money changes people.


That being said I don't care what rich people do with their money or bodies within reason. They just don't get to say "oh woe is me my life is so damn hard" when in reality it's not

Hey person with a computer, there are people whose lives have consisted of being born and then slowly starving to death. If you're saying people can't experience relative dissatisfaction you can go ahead and slap that gag on yourself.

I don't own a computer. And dissatisfaction isn't same as saying I have it worse than poor people even though I make way more then what any of them will see in a life time.

[Des-Bal]

I don't own a computer.

You have access to one, which is still more than many people can say.