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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:32 pm

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The Sauganash Union wrote:Well shit, if the costs of multiculturalism were either accept terrorism as a part of life or live under a Stasi surveillance state, I doubt most people would've gone for this 50 years ago.

I don't believe that multiculturalism is entirely at fault for Islamic terrorism. In fact, I believe that outcry against multiculturalism in general is quite overblown in Western countries, and this is coming from an ex-Muslim with personal distaste on Islamists to understate it heavily. If anything, multiculturalism and Islamic terrorism is related only tangentially at best.


But unfortunately it has given people a stick to attack cultural tolerance with.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.

That's too lenient. They need to be hit hard with sanctions, and given the South Africa treatment.
You know, extreme political isolation, boycotts, the usual.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:33 pm

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Aelex wrote:Invite more people in, I'm sure.

:blink:
That could actually stop terror attacks in the very long run: odds are that there wouldn't be terror attacks in a country that fully implements Sharia law :p

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:33 pm

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One of the 7/7 bombers was Jamaican.

Restrict all immigration from the third world, simply for the reason that we don't need to import more poverty.

Well someone needs to sit at the bottom of the economic ladder, and there isn't enough of whitey to do it acceptably for the capitalist class.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:33 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.

That's too lenient. They need to be hit hard with sanctions, and given the South Africa treatment.
You know, extreme political isolation, boycotts, the usual.


Well we have to start somewhere, so...
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:33 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.

Saudis aren't committing terror attacks in England. Englishmen are.

Their ideas are what are causing English citizens to become terrorists.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:That's too lenient. They need to be hit hard with sanctions, and given the South Africa treatment.
You know, extreme political isolation, boycotts, the usual.


Well we have to start somewhere, so...

Start hard, hit fast.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.

Saudis aren't committing terror attacks in England. Englishmen are.


Where do you think ISIS is getting its materiel from?
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Postby Kramania » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Kramania wrote:I have no idea what the hell this even means.

Or this.

If the perpetrators of Islamist terror attacks in the UK are universally British-born citizens, they are therefore domestic terrorists. Since most attackers have been in their 20s or older, it would probably take 25-30 years for a migrating family to move to the UK, have a child, and that child to grow up and become radicalised, and commit an act of terror.

Yes, countries need to think in the long term. We don't need people coming from countries with cultures vastly different from our own in order to have children who are torn between two cultures. Cultural compatibility makes assimilation much easier, and makes the children of immigrants less prone to radicalization.

My point on the second topic is that Islamist terrorism isn't some universal evil that's always been there. It's an incredibly recent phenomenon.
It is entirely possible that within the thirty years it would take for such a ban to be reasonably considered effective, the global political situation could change in such a manner that Islamist terrorism basically ends.

Or it may not. Such speculation is meaningless.
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Postby Fetlar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Darussalam wrote:I don't believe that multiculturalism is entirely at fault for Islamic terrorism. In fact, I believe that outcry against multiculturalism in general is quite overblown in Western countries, and this is coming from an ex-Muslim with personal distaste on Islamists to understate it heavily. If anything, multiculturalism and Islamic terrorism is related only tangentially at best.


But unfortunately it has given people a stick to attack cultural tolerance with.

Cultural tolerance needs to be attacked with a stick.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Aelex wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
:blink:
That could actually stop terror attacks in the very long run: odds are that there wouldn't be terror attacks in a country that fully implements Sharia law :p

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.

Saudis aren't committing terror attacks in England. Englishmen are.

Englishmen radicalised by political ideologies flowing out of Saudi Arabia.

I suppose you could see the same thing in communist terrorists operating in South America and Europe as being "radicalised by political ideologies flowing out of the USSR".
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Postby Kramania » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Kramania wrote:Restrict all immigration from the third world, simply for the reason that we don't need to import more poverty.

Well someone needs to sit at the bottom of the economic ladder, and there isn't enough of whitey to do it acceptably for the capitalist class.

That isn't really an argument.
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Postby Darussalam » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Kramania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
One of the 7/7 bombers was Jamaican.

Restrict all immigration from the third world, simply for the reason that we don't need to import more poverty.

That implies that only poor or uneducated people migrate from the third world, and that poor or uneducated people don't migrate from non-third world (i.e Poland).
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:35 pm

Fetlar wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But unfortunately it has given people a stick to attack cultural tolerance with.

Cultural tolerance needs to be attacked with a stick.


Any particular reasons why?
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Postby Aelex » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:So to stop them killing kaffirs, your plan would be to send a lot of karrifs into range of their actual good weapons rather than dealing with untrained bods with vans and kitchen knives here in the UK?

For every of our dead, we can kill from one to ten thousands of their men, women and children. They want a Total War. Let's give one to them.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:36 pm

I'm starting to think terrorists are getting ideas from the internet
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Vassenor wrote:But yeah, if you want my solution to all this: We need to stop giving money and arms to the Saudis.


>Saudi Arabia loses Western backing
>Monarchy freaks out, losing grip on power
>Syria, Russia, and Iran sense the weakness
>Arab Socialist/Ba'athist coup, Iranian nuke levels Riyadh
>Arab Social Republic established, invades other Gulf States. US doesn't even react.
>the Arabian peninsula is united under a secular dictatorship, secret police harshly suppress Islamists and clerics. Women wear western clothes and go to school.
>Secular Arab state, allied with Syria, steamrolls into Israel
>Russians and Iranians attack Turkey
>By here, we'd probably be at World War III


That being said, I'm not necessarily against some of this occurring.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Aelex wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:So to stop them killing kaffirs, your plan would be to send a lot of karrifs into range of their actual good weapons rather than dealing with untrained bods with vans and kitchen knives here in the UK?

For every of our dead, we can kill from one to ten thousands of their men, women and children. They want a Total War. Let's give one to them.

Lets not, ecspecially cuz it's not even a government
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Postby Fetlar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Fetlar wrote:Cultural tolerance needs to be attacked with a stick.


Any particular reasons why?

Multiculturalism is just a problem.

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Postby Kramania » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Darussalam wrote:
Kramania wrote:Restrict all immigration from the third world, simply for the reason that we don't need to import more poverty.

That implies that only poor or uneducated people migrate from the third world, and that poor or uneducated people don't migrate from non-third world (i.e Poland).

The vast, vast majority of immigrants from the third world are poor and uneducated.
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Postby Darussalam » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Chessmistress wrote:odds are that there wouldn't be terror attacks in a country that fully implements Sharia law :p

Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Pakistan beg to disagree. And they have a much higher death rate due to terrorism, too.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Saudis aren't committing terror attacks in England. Englishmen are.


Where do you think ISIS is getting its materiel from?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/middleeas ... di-arabia/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... fight-isis

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:37 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Kramania wrote:Restrict all immigration from the third world, simply for the reason that we don't need to import more poverty.

Well someone needs to sit at the bottom of the economic ladder, and there isn't enough of whitey to do it acceptably for the capitalist class.


Is this an argument in favor of the rich exploiting an underclass of peon labor?
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Postby Nova Stephania » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:38 pm

Aelex wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:So to stop them killing kaffirs, your plan would be to send a lot of karrifs into range of their actual good weapons rather than dealing with untrained bods with vans and kitchen knives here in the UK?

For every of our dead, we can kill from one to ten thousands of their men, women and children. They want a Total War. Let's give one to them.

You: "We need to do something about these horrible lot who kill innocent men, women and children."
Also you: "We should kill innocent men, women and children."

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