The State of the Democratic Party Post-2016

[Eol Sha]

I'm absent for two months and I come back to this. What on Earth?

I think most people here were willing to support Bernie as the least bad Democrat.

It's not just that. Tom's sig reads way differently from what I remember of him just two months ago. I mean, supporting Corbyn? It is...odd. To say the least.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think most people here were willing to support Bernie as the least bad Democrat.

Tom has definitely flipped from center-right to center-left though

Yeah it's pretty awful :|

[Thermodolia]

I think most people here were willing to support Bernie as the least bad Democrat.

It's not just that. Tom's sig reads way differently from what I remember of him just two months ago. I mean, supporting Corbyn? It is...odd. To say the least.

He's had a major change. In fact left his religion Christianity

[Corrian]

If I recall, he said the last election cycle and the Trump presidency itself pretty much made him entirely rethink what he wanted out of the country, because of how much the whole thing turned him away.

[Corrian]

http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/georgia-6th-sixth-early-voting-data-numbers-jon-ossoff-karen-handel/ So this is some good news out of Georgia. Voter turnout looks to be high

Oh yeah, that is soon, isn't it?

[Thermodolia]

http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/georgia-6th-sixth-early-voting-data-numbers-jon-ossoff-karen-handel/ So this is some good news out of Georgia. Voter turnout looks to be high

Oh yeah, that is soon, isn't it?

End of the month or in 19 days. June 20th to be exact

[Eol Sha]

http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/georgia-6th-sixth-early-voting-data-numbers-jon-ossoff-karen-handel/ So this is some good news out of Georgia. Voter turnout looks to be high

Oh yeah, that is soon, isn't it?

Christine Pellegrino, a Berniecrat, was elected to a state assembly seat in New York in a special election last month. What did she do? She defeated her Republican opponent in a district Trump won by 23 percentage points and the seat's former occupant, Joseph Saladino, won by 37 percentage points last year. Pellegrino beat her opponent, Thomas Gargiulo, 58% to 42%.

[Thermodolia]

Oh yeah, that is soon, isn't it?

Christine Pellegrino, a Berniecrat, was elected to a state assembly seat in New York in a special election last month. What did she do? She defeated her Republican opponent in a district Trump won by 23 percentage points and the seat's former occupant, Joseph Saladino, won by 37 percentage points last year. Pellegrino beat her opponent, Thomas Gargiulo, 58% to 42%.

The 6th district isn't even that pro Trump.

[Gauthier]

I think most people here were willing to support Bernie as the least bad Democrat.

It's not just that. Tom's sig reads way differently from what I remember of him just two months ago. I mean, supporting Corbyn? It is...odd. To say the least.

Corbyn is Charlie Brown managing a baseball team.

[Corrian]

Oh yeah, that is soon, isn't it?

Christine Pellegrino, a Berniecrat, was elected to a state assembly seat in New York in a special election last month. What did she do? She defeated her Republican opponent in a district Trump won by 23 percentage points and the seat's former occupant, Joseph Saladino, won by 37 percentage points last year. Pellegrino beat her opponent, Thomas Gargiulo, 58% to 42%.

Yeah, I saw that one. Pretty neat.

The 6th district isn't even that pro Trump.

Previous Republican still won by, what, 20%? So it is still a rather large shift of Ossoff wins.

[Thermodolia]

Christine Pellegrino, a Berniecrat, was elected to a state assembly seat in New York in a special election last month. What did she do? She defeated her Republican opponent in a district Trump won by 23 percentage points and the seat's former occupant, Joseph Saladino, won by 37 percentage points last year. Pellegrino beat her opponent, Thomas Gargiulo, 58% to 42%.

Yeah, I saw that one. Pretty neat.

The 6th district isn't even that pro Trump.

Previous Republican still won by, what, 20%? So it is still a rather large shift of Ossoff wins.

30% but incumbency has its benefits. The thing is that campaign with Trump in this district may be, and it's looking like it will be, political suicide

[Eol Sha]

Yeah, I saw that one. Pretty neat.


Previous Republican still won by, what, 20%? So it is still a rather large shift of Ossoff wins.

30% but incumbency has its benefits. The thing is that campaign with Trump in this district may be, and it's looking like it will be, political suicide

Personally, I'm skeptical, but I do have some hope. Given the state of the House every seat really does matter.

[Thermodolia]

30% but incumbency has its benefits. The thing is that campaign with Trump in this district may be, and it's looking like it will be, political suicide

Personally, I'm skeptical, but I do have some hope. Given the state of the House every seat really does matter.

Trump only won by a percentage point in 2016. Handel didn't go anywhere near Trump during the first round, which probably helped her. But now she's all over the place with him.

[Corrian]

30% but incumbency has its benefits. The thing is that campaign with Trump in this district may be, and it's looking like it will be, political suicide

Personally, I'm skeptical, but I do have some hope. Given the state of the House every seat really does matter.

I think of all the special elections, Georgia has always been the best chance. Ossoff has consistently been leading throughout the whole thing, and nearly won it outright. And Republicans decided to pick the least liked Republican on a District wide level (but apparently the most popular among Republicans on a level to get the nomination...if that makes sense)

Kansas and Montana were always a long shot. But still lowered to single digit wins.

[Thermodolia]

Personally, I'm skeptical, but I do have some hope. Given the state of the House every seat really does matter.

I think of all the special elections, Georgia has always been the best chance. Ossoff has consistently been leading throughout the whole thing, and nearly won it outright. And Republicans decided to pick the least liked Republican on a District wide level (but apparently the most popular among Republicans on a level to get the nomination...if that makes sense)

Kansas and Montana were always a long shot. But still lowered to single digit wins.

Because she had what the others lacked, name recognition

[Corrian]

California's 34th Congressional District going into a run off

Dunno much about either candidate.

[Hittanryan]

That healthcare stuff is one of the things the US really gets wrong and needs to fix. We need to get healthcare separated from employer-sponsored insurance plans because the current system enables doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and medical device manufacturers to price-gouge, it doesn't provide universal access, and it doesn't create meaningful consumer choice because most people just get shunted into whatever health plan their employer chooses.

I entirely agree. And yet, the Republican Party (and quite a few Democrats) are still a thing. Clearly, that is representative of something (wrong) going on in America.

That something is campaign finance, which in our country is effectively unlimited legalized bribery. The Republican Party and quite a few Democrats are shills for the health insurance industry thanks to that.

[Corrian]

I entirely agree. And yet, the Republican Party (and quite a few Democrats) are still a thing. Clearly, that is representative of something (wrong) going on in America.

That something is campaign finance, which in our country is effectively unlimited legalized bribery. The Republican Party and quite a few Democrats are shills for the health insurance industry thanks to that.

Remember when Democrats were against Citizens United?

Now they've just embraced it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

California's 34th Congressional District going into a run off

Dunno much about either candidate.

Well, they're Californians so they're probably insane on a fair number of issues.

[Corrian]

California's 34th Congressional District going into a run off

Dunno much about either candidate.

Well, they're Californians so they're probably insane on a fair number of issues.

I read a bit about Gomez and he was for ending the for profit prison system altogether in California. Also was a part of the free healthcare bill I think.

[Gauthier]

That something is campaign finance, which in our country is effectively unlimited legalized bribery. The Republican Party and quite a few Democrats are shills for the health insurance industry thanks to that.

Remember when Democrats were against Citizens United?

Now they've just embraced it.

When chivalry is one-sided you lose.

[Olerand]

That something is campaign finance, which in our country is effectively unlimited legalized bribery. The Republican Party and quite a few Democrats are shills for the health insurance industry thanks to that.

Remember when Democrats were against Citizens United?

Now they've just embraced it.

Well, that's not exactly the origin of the rot, though is it? It goes much, much deeper than that. It's cultural.

[USS Monitor]

If I recall, he said the last election cycle and the Trump presidency itself pretty much made him entirely rethink what he wanted out of the country, because of how much the whole thing turned him away.

I think, "What is this shit? I don't want to be associated with these people," is a reasonable reaction to the Trump administration.

[Hittanryan]

Remember when Democrats were against Citizens United?

Now they've just embraced it.

Well, that's not exactly the origin of the rot, though is it? It goes much, much deeper than that. It's cultural.

Not if you understand just how much money goes into our elections and how it is raised, then compare it to other countries. It didn't start with Citizens United, but with the onset of paid political television advertising. It is structural, not cultural.

[Olerand]

Well, that's not exactly the origin of the rot, though is it? It goes much, much deeper than that. It's cultural.

Not if you understand just how much money goes into our elections and how it is raised, then compare it to other countries. It didn't start with Citizens United, but with the onset of paid political television advertising. It is structural, not cultural.

It's both. Things don't happen in America in a vacuum. There is a reason your Supreme Court ruled as it did in Citizens United. There is a reason why your healthcare is private. There is a reason why there are so many lobbyists in Washington, and why Washington is so amenable to lobbying. It's the American people.

The American people made, or allowed America to become, like this. The core rot is the American people, the American mentality and ideology.