Trump MAGAthread VI

[Internationalist Bastard]

Who'll lose money if we try to do something about climate change

The oil industry. Republicans, being the good employees of the petrochemical sector that they are, can't have that.

I know, and we're supposed to say, hey, I believe you don't just refuse science because it encourages us to lower our reliance on your industry

[The East Marches II]

What does our general unwillingness to play by global rules have to do with oil? Very little. The US is the big kid, we don't have to play by little country rules.

This isn't about some philosophy of eschewing global agreements. This is about Republicans satisfying campaign contributors at the expense of the American taxpayer as a whole.

Then why did you jump into an argument on that matter with something unrelated? : /

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffff, suuuuuure. It's "sovereignity" that's the issue, not the political class being a bunch of cynical twats.

It's far better to be cynical on the global stage than naive fools. Why bother the UN convention on the seas when we can just have more ourselves? It's a better situation for us.

Nash would like a word with you.

Collaboration leads to more desirable results than every nation working in their own interest. Look at the EU, for example, the biggest market on earth in terms of consumers, reaching that point through collaborative effort instead of Germany and the UK taking everything for themselves.

[Neo Balka]

Good job claiming to not be a Trump supporter, really making those arguments match, yepyepyep~

I am actually following Obama administration logic :^)

Nice try though, have you answered that America is a member of the free world or not thing yet?

well we ARE the free world.

Everyone else is just obsolete with predictable behaviors.

[Liriena]

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffff, suuuuuure. It's "sovereignity" that's the issue, not the political class being a bunch of cynical twats.

It's far better to be cynical on the global stage than naive fools. Why bother the UN convention on the seas when we can just have more ourselves? It's a better situation for us.

I accept the thinly veiled admission that your original claim was wrong.

[Liriena]

I quite like it. I'm not a fan of hate speech laws or other UN backed initiatives. You can enjoy that though. Have it!

I want to turn the UN building into a Veterans assisted living facility.

Pfffff, yeah, let's use the building that's the seat of a fundamentally flawed but originally well-intentioned international body to do that. Because corrupt corporations can have all the land, and corrupt politicians can allocate resources for the most grotesquely stupid things, but the UN wanting the United States to cooperate in the defense of children, the disabled and the environment hurts my nationalistic feefees way too much with their treaties.

I swear, American nationalism has the moral compass of a lobotomized wild boar.

[New haven america]

Good job claiming to not be a Trump supporter, really making those arguments match, yepyepyep~

I am actually following Obama administration logic.

Nice try though, have you answered that America is a member of the free world or not thing yet?

No you're not, his administration was for the Paris Accord. You claim to be one thing, then you constantly vouch for the opposite... huh, I wonder if we have a word to describe someone like that, hmmm...

I already did (Multiple days ago, actually), don't see what point this has other than trying to deflect the current accusation that's on the table, very Trump like, in all honesty.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffff, suuuuuure. It's "sovereignity" that's the issue, not the political class being a bunch of cynical twats.

It's far better to be cynical on the global stage than naive fools. Why bother the UN convention on the seas when we can just have more ourselves? It's a better situation for us.

Because pissing off everyone is bad, look at Germany for like, the entire first half of the 20th century. They tried going, heh heh, we'll just have a few, powerful allies, screw everyone else, we got a huge industrial base and technology leadership. Then they lost two world wars.

[The East Marches II]

It's far better to be cynical on the global stage than naive fools. Why bother the UN convention on the seas when we can just have more ourselves? It's a better situation for us.

Nash would like a word with you.

Collaboration leads to more desirable results than every nation working in their own interest. Look at the EU, for example, the biggest market on earth in terms of consumers, reaching that point through collaborative effort instead of Germany and the UK taking everything for themselves.

The EU? I too long for the day when my country is so weak and gutless that we have to pay bribe money to the Sultan to keep him from flooding us with refugees. Boy that worked out well didn't it?

[Zanera]

Goddammit, Trump. And goddammit, United States in general. Why do y'all always have to be the special snowflakes of international agreements? The rights of the disabled, children's rights, women's rights, and now climate change (again).

I think someone (IDK who it is. They probably vacation in the Bahamas a lot tho) is reviewing those declarations to see if they align with US laws well, technically.

[Liriena]

I am actually following Obama administration logic :^)

Nice try though, have you answered that America is a member of the free world or not thing yet?

well we ARE the free world.

Everyone else is just obsolete with predictable behaviors.

Pfffff, y'all aren't even close to the top of any freedom index. Your exceptionalistic nonsense is just propaganda. :3


(Not to mention the fact that American foreign policy is directly responsible for the lack of freedom in other parts of the world. "School of the Americas" rings any bells?)

[Hittanryan]

This isn't about some philosophy of eschewing global agreements. This is about Republicans satisfying campaign contributors at the expense of the American taxpayer as a whole.

Then why did you jump into an argument on that matter with something unrelated? : /

Because you and perhaps others are missing the entire point. Republicans, and even Trump for a change, are fulfilling their campaign promises by doing this. Not the promises made publicly, for the gullible voters who buy their rhetoric on trickle-down economics, family values, and "making America great again," oh no. These are the promises made to the oil lobby in exchange for donations.

The fundamental problem here again comes back to campaign finance. We have to derail the gravy train or we'll never get anywhere.

[New haven america]

I want to turn the UN building into a Veterans assisted living facility.

Pfffff, yeah, let's use the building that's the seat of a fundamentally flawed but originally well-intentioned international body to do that. Because corrupt corporations can have all the land, and corrupt politicians can allocate resources for the most grotesquely stupid things, but the UN wanting the United States to cooperate in the defense of children, the disabled and the environment hurts my nationalistic feefees way too much with their treaties.

I swear, American nationalism has the moral compass of a lobotomized wild boar.

American businesses also don't like how other countries won't let them treat the population like slaves.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It must be mentioned that the Paris Agreement does not contain an obligation to contribute financially at all. Those obligations are contained within the UNFCCC, which Trump is suspiciously leaving alone. Still, it will take another four years for the US to actually leave the Paris Agreement, so there is little to worry about in the foreseeable future. By then, the Republican base will have calmed down over the issue, allowing Trump to conveniently forget about the whole affair.

[The East Marches II]

It's far better to be cynical on the global stage than naive fools. Why bother the UN convention on the seas when we can just have more ourselves? It's a better situation for us.

Because pissing off everyone is bad, look at Germany for like, the entire first half of the 20th century. They tried going, heh heh, we'll just have a few, powerful allies, screw everyone else, we got a huge industrial base and technology leadership. Then they lost two world wars.

They didn't have a huge industrial base tbh. Using Germany as an example is rather poor and reaching. Not only that but they nearly brought the world to its knees on their own. We're much stronger than they ever were and the rest of the world much weaker. Maybe that is the path we should take.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I want to turn the UN building into a Veterans assisted living facility.

Pfffff, yeah, let's use the building that's the seat of a fundamentally flawed but originally well-intentioned international body to do that. Because corrupt corporations can have all the land, and corrupt politicians can allocate resources for the most grotesquely stupid things, but the UN wanting the United States to cooperate in the defense of children, the disabled and the environment hurts my nationalistic feefees way too much with their treaties.

I swear, American nationalism has the moral compass of a lobotomized wild boar.

Thank you! The UN aint perfect (actually a lot of the flaws people point too come from nationalism limiting it but whatever) but it's not like their trying to destroy the American way of life or some shit. They just want to try to keep governments from doing really shitty stuff

[Internationalist Bastard]

Because pissing off everyone is bad, look at Germany for like, the entire first half of the 20th century. They tried going, heh heh, we'll just have a few, powerful allies, screw everyone else, we got a huge industrial base and technology leadership. Then they lost two world wars.

They didn't have a huge industrial base tbh. Using Germany as an example is rather poor and reaching. Not only that but they nearly brought the world to its knees on their own. We're much stronger than they ever were and the rest of the world much weaker. Maybe that is the path we should take.

Literally what Hitler said
edit, not calling you a nazi, saying he said basically that, then proceeded to lose ww2

[The East Marches II]

Then why did you jump into an argument on that matter with something unrelated? : /

Because you and perhaps others are missing the entire point. Republicans, and even Trump for a change, are fulfilling their campaign promises by doing this. Not the promises made publicly, for the gullible voters who buy their rhetoric on trickle-down economics, family values, and "making America great again," oh no. These are the promises made to the oil lobby in exchange for donations.

The fundamental problem here again comes back to campaign finance. We have to derail the gravy train or we'll never get anywhere.

I agree on the campaign finance front

[Gauthier]

Cities, states, and companies have already said they'll uphold the Paris Agreement when Trump leaves it

Federal Overrule when? Since we can't have states exercising their State's Rights on stuff the government doesn't like.

It'll be attached to a federal Dick Police bill.

[New haven america]

I am actually following Obama administration logic :^)

Nice try though, have you answered that America is a member of the free world or not thing yet?

well we ARE the free world.

Everyone else is just obsolete with predictable behaviors.

America's actually pretty low on the Freedom Index.

Canada, Germany, Norway, Hong Kong (Which technically isn't even a country), New Zealand, and tons of other nations beat out the US pretty easily.

[Zanera]

If you got the right list of renewables, nuclear power is included in that.

All I've seen from enviromental types is a hatred of nuclear power. I'd rather not jack up energy costs as they did in Germany closing theirs for renewables.

I think we had a drill broadcast over the radio not too long ago about if there was an accident at a nuclear power station. Like "BEEEEEEP BEEEEEP BEEEEEP" in then the monotone voice, like what happens during flood/tornado warnings and stuff. I thought it was really cool.

[The East Marches II]

well we ARE the free world.

Everyone else is just obsolete with predictable behaviors.

Pfffff, y'all aren't even close to the top of any freedom index. Your exceptionalistic nonsense is just propaganda. :3


(Not to mention the fact that American foreign policy is directly responsible for the lack of freedom in other parts of the world. "School of the Americas" rings any bells?)

Unfortunately they count hate speech laws as promoting free speech. Quite backwards tbh.

School of the Americas was fine. Freedom at home and Jackboot abroad seems a good way of doing things. It saved us from losing South America during the Cold War.

[Hittanryan]

Because you and perhaps others are missing the entire point. Republicans, and even Trump for a change, are fulfilling their campaign promises by doing this. Not the promises made publicly, for the gullible voters who buy their rhetoric on trickle-down economics, family values, and "making America great again," oh no. These are the promises made to the oil lobby in exchange for donations.

The fundamental problem here again comes back to campaign finance. We have to derail the gravy train or we'll never get anywhere.

I agree on the campaign finance front

Can you agree that that's the real reason we're pulling out of Paris?

[The East Marches II]

They didn't have a huge industrial base tbh. Using Germany as an example is rather poor and reaching. Not only that but they nearly brought the world to its knees on their own. We're much stronger than they ever were and the rest of the world much weaker. Maybe that is the path we should take.

Literally what Hitler said
edit, not calling you a nazi, saying he said basically that, then proceeded to lose ww2

Adolfo nearly did it with much less. I'm seeing a plan for success. Take advantage of gutless Europeans, show international law for the mockery it is, then zerg if they try and stop you. Seems legit to me.

[Gauthier]

Who knows? At this point, y'all are doing a fine job of alienating some of your most powerful allies, and the Chinese clearly know a good opportunity to flex their diplomatic muscles when they see it.

They can jump up their own asses and die if they go to china and think they'll be better partners. the PRC are not so differant from us, they are just better at hiding it. And have a shitty military with little force projection.

That just exceeded the daily recommended limit of 2000mg of sodium.