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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 25, 2017 6:40 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I wouldn't try it. If they find out it's an automatic discharge


I wouldn't try it period. Not while Trump's in office. If he manages to not get us into another war, I will be surprised.

Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 25, 2017 6:41 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:You do know that most troops don't want to go to war because they've seen shit they don't want to put anyone though

There's not enjoying a conflict and there's trying to dodge the job description.

Uxu has never said he wouldn't fight if called up to do so.

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Postby Uxupox » Thu May 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I wouldn't try it period. Not while Trump's in office. If he manages to not get us into another war, I will be surprised.

Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.


marines???????????????
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Postby Saiwania » Thu May 25, 2017 6:41 pm

So the Peshmerga is on the verge of overrunning Raqqa, they are supposedly only 2 kilometers away. Really closing in from the north and east. Unfortunately it doesn't look like a ring of steel will surround their rotten city, no grand artillery barrages or massive displays of bombardment. But in due time it'll be stormed.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Uxupox wrote:
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Demolishing Iraqi forces. You mean the fact that the Iraqi military had severe loyalty issues and would often flee? Not much of a win there. There's a reason the first war was so bloody short.


Have you seen how he completely reformed his own staff and how he effectively used his logistical capacity during the engagements in the war? The guy is a genius.

He just didn't demolish the normal troops but also the Republican guard with what seemed at the time no effort.


Pardon me while I work up the energy to show amazement. Wait, wait. Oh. It was just gas.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu May 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:C-17s can't fit Abrams.

Then it's a good thing our military consists of more than just Abrams.
We've only 125 C-5s which can fit a 2 Abrams. We need to move 1,000 tanks but also their support kit (which is more than the tank). Our current airlift isn't sufficient. As I said previously we would be commuting units piecemeal and suffer extremely high losses for it.

That's 250 Abrams/trip. Eight hours in the air at cruising speed from New York to France. Are you telling me that we can't coordinate more than one round trip every 1.75 days for our C-5 fleet in times of trouble? Or that the necessary support kit either cannot fit in anything less than a C-5 or would take more than another 7 days?


Two weeks at a rough estimate. You have to include skrublys, trucks, etc. etc.

Movement by ship gets us just over 3 weeks. It's not much faster. That's too slow without enough troops from other NATO countries to hold the line.

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Postby Ism » Thu May 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Demolishing Iraqi forces. You mean the fact that the Iraqi military had severe loyalty issues and would often flee? Not much of a win there. There's a reason the first war was so bloody short.


Have you seen how he completely reformed his own staff and how he effectively used his logistical capacity during the engagements in the war? The guy is a genius.

He just didn't demolish the normal troops but also the Republican guard with what seemed at the time no effort.


Wasn't that what happened in the FGW? Iraqi forces really shouldn't have been some incredible obstacle for for the US in the initial fighting. When the insurgency began, now that's a different story.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that most troops don't want to go to war because they've seen shit they don't want to put anyone though

There's not enjoying a conflict and there's trying to dodge the job description.

Um what? Not going to war is a good thing. Do you really want people to die for no reason just so you can prove a point?
Also the military is more than just infantry or else my job wouldn't have existed
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I wouldn't try it period. Not while Trump's in office. If he manages to not get us into another war, I will be surprised.

Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:43 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.


marines???????????????

Right?
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 25, 2017 6:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:So the Peshmerga is on the verge of overrunning Raqqa, they are supposedly only 2 kilometers away. Really closing in from the north and east. Unfortunately it doesn't look like a ring of steel will surround their rotten city, no grand artillery barrages or massive displays of bombardment. But in due time it'll be stormed.

The Peshmerga are primarily light infantry. They do not have masses of artillery at their disposal. It's why Uncle Sam is helping them with firepower, primarily through air strikes.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 25, 2017 6:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I wouldn't try it period. Not while Trump's in office. If he manages to not get us into another war, I will be surprised.

Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.


Erm.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 25, 2017 6:44 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.


marines???????????????

I saw this one day
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 25, 2017 6:44 pm

The East Marches II wrote:2 to 1 odds with shit tanks (only 100 Leopard 2s and the rest cold war left over T-72 and T-55s) is bad but unlike the rest of Europe they believe and are willing to fight. Poland takes its defense seriously. They deserve a special exemption from my condemnation as do the British. They do work too especially with the two new carriers which will free up an American carrier.

T-55s are no longer in service with Poland. They use primarily T-72s and an updated T-72 variant. And I said "Poland alone" for a reason. Greece has another 4-500 MBTs in service. Turkey has about the same. Romania about 200.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 25, 2017 6:45 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then I'm really stupid. I'm reenlisting, though this time with the Marines instead of the going back to the Army.

Traitor! You were supposed to bring balance to force, not destroy it

I saw a moto commercial and had a freedom boner
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Postby Uxupox » Thu May 25, 2017 6:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
marines???????????????

I saw this one day


Honestly they have the best public perception. moto asf.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 25, 2017 6:45 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Then it's a good thing our military consists of more than just Abrams.

That's 250 Abrams/trip. Eight hours in the air at cruising speed from New York to France. Are you telling me that we can't coordinate more than one round trip every 1.75 days for our C-5 fleet in times of trouble? Or that the necessary support kit either cannot fit in anything less than a C-5 or would take more than another 7 days?


Two weeks at a rough estimate. You have to include skrublys, trucks, etc. etc.

Movement by ship gets us just over 3 weeks. It's not much faster. That's too slow without enough troops from other NATO countries to hold the line.

Not to mention basing them and prepping them up for operations. Not to mention potential losses due to hostile action as well. Ivan would be dumb to not try and insert spec ops behind the lines to harass Allied forces and maybe even start bringing some of those planes down.

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Postby Corrian » Thu May 25, 2017 6:45 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Because my state has been run by Republicans that are perhaps from the guck at the bottom of the barrel.

Oh right, they want to pass their own Dick Police Bill.

After turning it into a Papers Please state.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:


Honestly they have the best public perception. moto asf.

I couldn't resist.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Two weeks at a rough estimate. You have to include skrublys, trucks, etc. etc.

Movement by ship gets us just over 3 weeks. It's not much faster. That's too slow without enough troops from other NATO countries to hold the line.

Shit man, if the Russians move enough material to bust Europe within two weeks without us noticing, we've either got a serious intel problem or Yuri just went back in time and assassinated Einstein or something.
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Where? When?

The Pacific should be the primary one and sooner rather than later. It's good seeing that the Japanese are at least starting a slow build up and the ROK has generally maintained a solid defense capability for their country from what I can tell (someone correct me if I am wrong).

So...what, are we planning to attack China?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Traitor! You were supposed to bring balance to force, not destroy it

I saw a moto commercial and had a freedom boner

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
marines???????????????

I saw this one day


Believing recruitment adverts... Bad Thermy.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Not to mention basing them and prepping them up for operations. Not to mention potential losses due to hostile action as well. Ivan would be dumb to not try and insert spec ops behind the lines to harass Allied forces and maybe even start bringing some of those planes down.

My point still stands - OUR airlift capabilities are not lacking here.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:2 to 1 odds with shit tanks (only 100 Leopard 2s and the rest cold war left over T-72 and T-55s) is bad but unlike the rest of Europe they believe and are willing to fight. Poland takes its defense seriously. They deserve a special exemption from my condemnation as do the British. They do work too especially with the two new carriers which will free up an American carrier.

T-55s are no longer in service with Poland. They use primarily T-72s and an updated T-72 variant. And I said "Poland alone" for a reason. Greece has another 4-500 MBTs in service. Turkey has about the same. Romania about 200.


Greece has supply issues and theirs out of commission. I don't know about the Romanians but I thought they sold alot of their kit to the Ukies. As for the Turks, they are missing a senior command and have opted to gut their incoming classes of officers by about 4 years. They are also practically out of commission.

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