The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Ifreann]

Oh look, continuing to not answer the question.

I'm suggesting that being related to suspected criminals isn't evidence of a crime. Pretty simple fucking concept.

It does create reasonable suspicion.

Not really.

[Ethel mermania]

1. Following your lead,

Oh look, continuing to not answer the question.

2. Are you suggesting the women knew nothing about what was going in their own home, and couldn't do anything about it? How sexist.

I'm suggesting that being related to suspected criminals isn't evidence of a crime. Pretty simple fucking concept.

1. Weird how you don't like it when it's done to you, yet you do it all the time.
2. And I am suggesting that living and raising a house full of terrorists is creating a conspiracy, which is a fucking crime

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

It does create reasonable suspicion.

Not really.

Yes really.

[Vassenor]

Oh look, continuing to not answer the question.

I'm suggesting that being related to suspected criminals isn't evidence of a crime. Pretty simple fucking concept.

It does create reasonable suspicion.

In what way?

[Lady Scylla]

Remind me, when someone related to you robs a bank, for me to suggest that you be arrested and charged also.

When my kid does it with the family encouragement, will do.

But you seem to be missing that part of the equation.

[Imperializt Russia]

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Yes it does.

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Questers]

Yes it does.

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

Provide the context.

If you were white and German, and Britain was at war with Germany, and you did that, what reasonable suspicion is there to consider your parents having colluded?

The question about his parents being refugees is a false starter. It's distracting us from the obvious line of inquiry: this chap returned from Syria, and our government was warned, and provided with his identity, and did not place him under surveillance. There are multiple parties to blame - the government for being incompentent, and the human rights lobby also. How unusual that they should be bedfellows.

[Vassenor]

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Don't we have stuff from them about how this was completely at odds with the values they taught him?

[Lady Scylla]

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

What sort of fucked up court system are you living under?

[Questers]

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

What sort of fucked up court system are you living under?

This is not dissimilar from how Britains courts operated with the IRA.

Racial profiling is actually a legitimate process.

[Imperializt Russia]

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

That really isn't how it works. Who is "we"?

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Don't we have stuff from them about how this was completely at odds with the values they taught him?

That response is so universal it's cringe. Most people don't expects their child to murder people, and those who do tend to try and deflect from their parenting.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

That really isn't how it works. Who is "we"?

Alright no, that is how it works under American and Common law.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

That you're related to them, got your values from them, and you most likely want to make them proud.

That is grounds enough to detain and question someone, we do this for standard murders as well not just terrorism. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

What sort of fucked up court system are you living under?

The same one you're living under, I'm just paying attention and actually know what I'm talking about.

[Lady Scylla]

What sort of fucked up court system are you living under?

The same one you're living under, I'm just paying attention and actually know what I'm talking about.

Pfffft. Alright, then. Do educate us, Professor.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

The same one you're living under, I'm just paying attention and actually know what I'm talking about.

Pfffft. Alright, then. Do educate us, Professor.

First-

You're probably college age.

What degree are you getting or have?

[Imperializt Russia]

What sort of fucked up court system are you living under?

This is not dissimilar from how Britains courts operated with the IRA.

Racial profiling is actually a legitimate process.

The IRA was a secessionist movement with widespread popular support for the Republican cause. Family politics was arguably relevant since it was ongoing since 1916.

These situations are not the same as modern Islamic terrorism, which is really a product that began when the Troubles started winding down.

[Ifreann]

Oh look, continuing to not answer the question.

I'm suggesting that being related to suspected criminals isn't evidence of a crime. Pretty simple fucking concept.

1. Weird how you don't like it when it's done to you, yet you do it all the time.

When I don't answer something someone asks me, I just don't respond, or I'll just quote part of their post so it's clear that I'm just responding to that. I don't keep responding to them but not answering, just saying irrelevant shit like criticising them for cursing as if I'm the fucking morality police.

2. And I am suggesting that living and raising a house full of terrorists is creating a conspiracy, which is a fucking crime

Did this family even live together? I think all the children are adults, they may well have all moved out. And even if they did, that's not a crime. It's entirely possible for people to live together without knowing everything that goes on in that house.

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't we have stuff from them about how this was completely at odds with the values they taught him?

That response is so universal it's cringe. Most people don't expects their child to murder people, and those who do tend to try and deflect from their parenting.

If a person actually expects their child to murder people, they don't do that, unless they themselves are murderers.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

This is not dissimilar from how Britains courts operated with the IRA.

Racial profiling is actually a legitimate process.

The IRA was a secessionist movement with widespread popular support for the Republican cause. Family politics was arguably relevant since it was ongoing since 1916.

These situations are not the same as modern Islamic terrorism, which is really a product that began when the Troubles started winding down.

May be different but the court still operates the same way.

[Ifreann]

I am white and British as they come, as I'm sure you can tell from my picture there.

Say I contrive a bomb from the aether.
Tomorrow, I take it and detonate it somewhere, and am caught doing so.

What "reasonable suspicion" is there to consider my parents having colluded over this act?

Provide the context.

If you were white and German, and Britain was at war with Germany, and you did that, what reasonable suspicion is there to consider your parents having colluded?

The question about his parents being refugees is a false starter. It's distracting us from the obvious line of inquiry: this chap returned from Syria, and our government was warned, and provided with his identity, and did not place him under surveillance. There are multiple parties to blame - the government for being incompentent, and the human rights lobby also. How unusual that they should be bedfellows.

Salman Abedi was English. And his parents are Libyan.

[Lady Scylla]

Pfffft. Alright, then. Do educate us, Professor.

First-

You're probably college age.

What degree are you getting or have?

I'm the Queen of England.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

First-

You're probably college age.

What degree are you getting or have?

I'm the Queen of England.

Sarcasm noted.

I'm a Homeland Security major, I wonder which one of us knows more about the law...

[Ethel mermania]

1. Weird how you don't like it when it's done to you, yet you do it all the time.

When I don't answer something someone asks me, I just don't respond, or I'll just quote part of their post so it's clear that I'm just responding to that. I don't keep responding to them but not answering, just saying irrelevant shit like criticising them for cursing as if I'm the fucking morality police.

2. And I am suggesting that living and raising a house full of terrorists is creating a conspiracy, which is a fucking crime

Did this family even live together? I think all the children are adults, they may well have all moved out. And even if they did, that's not a crime. It's entirely possible for people to live together without knowing everything that goes on in that house.

1. I am not a s good at this as you, you can feel free to ignore me if you don't like my ability to post and not put quotes in the proper places as you require
2. That is for the investigation and trial to determine.