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by Insaeldor » Wed May 17, 2017 9:38 pm
by KrakenCo » Wed May 17, 2017 10:02 pm
by Luminesa » Wed May 17, 2017 10:08 pm
Ifreann wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Eh, she provided classified information to a foreign organization whose leader is extremely anti-establishment and has a hate-boner against the US.
That's pretty much treason.
Not really, though. I don't think you even think it's really treason, what with how you've already gone from saying without qualification that she committed treason to saying that what she did is "pretty much" treason. Maybe you want it to be treason, but that's something else.Thermodolia wrote:She did but it didn't stick in a court of law.
Everyone knows she did it they just couldn't prove it.
Funny how people can know things but not prove them.
by Liriena » Wed May 17, 2017 11:03 pm
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by KrakenCo » Thu May 18, 2017 12:59 am
Liriena wrote:KrakenCo wrote:
So I didn't trigger any snowflakes. That didn't work now did it?
Were you actively trying to "trigger" "snowflakes"? Is that what passes for entertainment for you?
No offense, but there's countless other things you could be doing for fun, other than actively trying to make others feel uncomfortable by being shamelessly rude.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu May 18, 2017 3:27 am
KrakenCo wrote:Liriena wrote:Were you actively trying to "trigger" "snowflakes"? Is that what passes for entertainment for you?
No offense, but there's countless other things you could be doing for fun, other than actively trying to make others feel uncomfortable by being shamelessly rude.
No, I said explicitly I wasn't trying to trigger them.
Learn to read, damn
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Ifreann » Thu May 18, 2017 5:28 am
Insaeldor wrote:I actually do crossing guard duty about 100 yards away from the front gate of Fort Leavenworth. Traffic was pretty shitty considering impatient news crews were trying to we've in and out of traffic to get to and from the 7/11 parking lot just across the street from the gate.
Either way I wish her the best. I'm not particularly attached to her store ye en though I live about 20 minutes away from where she was contained.y only hope is that the crews leave by tonight so my job gets just a little easier.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 18, 2017 7:45 am
by Shrilland » Thu May 18, 2017 7:53 am
by Jamzmania » Thu May 18, 2017 7:59 am
Shrilland wrote:The only good thing Obama did in his presidency was fixing the mistake of letting her get locked up in the first place. God forbid we hold our government accountable for it's actions and blow the whistle when it goes too far, that's clearly treason. In reality, those who locked her up we're the real traitors as defending those actions made America look awful on the world stage where curbing the actions would have made America look much better.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Ifreann » Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think there's more pressing issues for the thread than whether we should call Manning based on what they have between their legs vs. between their ears.
Jamzmania wrote:Shrilland wrote:The only good thing Obama did in his presidency was fixing the mistake of letting her get locked up in the first place. God forbid we hold our government accountable for it's actions and blow the whistle when it goes too far, that's clearly treason. In reality, those who locked her up we're the real traitors as defending those actions made America look awful on the world stage where curbing the actions would have made America look much better.
He revealed more than was necessary to blow the whistle.
by Shrilland » Thu May 18, 2017 8:03 am
Jamzmania wrote:Shrilland wrote:The only good thing Obama did in his presidency was fixing the mistake of letting her get locked up in the first place. God forbid we hold our government accountable for it's actions and blow the whistle when it goes too far, that's clearly treason. In reality, those who locked her up we're the real traitors as defending those actions made America look awful on the world stage where curbing the actions would have made America look much better.
He revealed more than was necessary to blow the whistle.
by Tombradya » Thu May 18, 2017 8:48 am
KrakenCo wrote:Liriena wrote:Were you actively trying to "trigger" "snowflakes"? Is that what passes for entertainment for you?
No offense, but there's countless other things you could be doing for fun, other than actively trying to make others feel uncomfortable by being shamelessly rude.
No, I said explicitly I wasn't trying to trigger them.
Learn to read, damn
Imperializt Russia wrote:Except members of the intelligence community admit it was classified. Trump himself basically admitted it was classified, just that it didn't matter because he's the president.
by Oneracon » Thu May 18, 2017 9:14 am
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by Chestaan » Thu May 18, 2017 9:32 am
by Jamzmania » Thu May 18, 2017 9:58 am
Ifreann wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think there's more pressing issues for the thread than whether we should call Manning based on what they have between their legs vs. between their ears.
Don't worry, we can multitask.Jamzmania wrote:He revealed more than was necessary to blow the whistle.
She.
See? Multitasking.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Calladan » Thu May 18, 2017 10:13 am
Chestaan wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Eh, punishment should fit the crime.
Realistically, if you betray your own country, you don't deserve mercy.
If someone deserves mercy, then it's not really mercy, is it?
Also, lets not act like her actions were unambiguously evil. The point of the leaks was to reveal the horrible shit that was being carried out in the name of US people. Really the people who carried out this heinous actions revealed in Manning's leaks should be the people locked up.
by Jamzmania » Thu May 18, 2017 10:23 am
Chestaan wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Eh, punishment should fit the crime.
Realistically, if you betray your own country, you don't deserve mercy.
If someone deserves mercy, then it's not really mercy, is it?
Also, lets not act like her actions were unambiguously evil. The point of the leaks was to reveal the horrible shit that was being carried out in the name of US people. Really the people who carried out this heinous actions revealed in Manning's leaks should be the people locked up.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Luziyca » Thu May 18, 2017 10:45 am
Oneracon wrote:Glad to hear she's been released. Her leak documented significantly unethical actions by the US government and its military... including the killing of journalists and civilians. Before she approached WikiLeaks with the documents she went to both the New York Times and Washington Post with the information, but they rejected her.
This leak paved the way for the better approaches employed in both the Snowden leak and the Panama Papers. Snowden saw that WikiLeaks didn't appropriately vet and redact personal information from Manning's leaks so he specifically spent time finding reputable journalists to communicate with, and because they learned from the Manning example they listened to him. The Panama Papers took that a step further with a massive collaboration between media outlets all over the world as part of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists to verify, vet, and appropriately redact the leaks before reporting on them.
On the other hand, not so glad to hear that since she's in the news again it gives a bunch of people an excuse to explicitly misgender her. Just because she's a "traitor" doesn't give you the excuse to be a shitty person.
by Chestaan » Thu May 18, 2017 10:48 am
Calladan wrote:Chestaan wrote:
If someone deserves mercy, then it's not really mercy, is it?
Also, lets not act like her actions were unambiguously evil. The point of the leaks was to reveal the horrible shit that was being carried out in the name of US people. Really the people who carried out this heinous actions revealed in Manning's leaks should be the people locked up.
"If someone deserves mercy, then it's not really mercy"
That is a very interesting question. And I admit, you have made me think.
So mercy is only really mercy if it is given when it is unwarranted? But what is it if it is given when it is warranted? Just normal behaviour?
Yeah - this is going to screw with my mind now.
Jamzmania wrote:Chestaan wrote:
If someone deserves mercy, then it's not really mercy, is it?
Also, lets not act like her actions were unambiguously evil. The point of the leaks was to reveal the horrible shit that was being carried out in the name of US people. Really the people who carried out this heinous actions revealed in Manning's leaks should be the people locked up.
The worst things that seem to have been revealed, unless I missed something, are some battlefield fuckups and ignored crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. This is bad, admittedly, especially the latter, but why did he also have to reveal hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables which served no purpose other than to harm US relations and interests? There were no great crimes being revealed in a whole lot of these leaks.
by Arkinesia » Thu May 18, 2017 10:54 am
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by Arotania » Thu May 18, 2017 10:54 am
Chestaan wrote:Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?
by Gig em Aggies » Thu May 18, 2017 3:30 pm
Arotania wrote:Chestaan wrote:Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?
I guess you have the "Collateral Murder" incident in mind.
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