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by Watersville » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:45 am
by Lord Dominator » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:14 pm
by Raef Tige » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:11 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:I think I'll be taking your suggestion on the RMB and going with the scientist that managed to make it on.
But, I'll also be doing the weird dictatorship that's blackmailing them to sabotage the mission.
Something like that, I'm still working out the details, which is good since I won't have time to post IC until at least the weekend.
by The Imperium Empires » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:17 pm
by Raef Tige » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:35 pm
The Imperium Empires wrote:This looks quite fun.
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:03 am
Brellach wrote:There can be no space launch in Forest without Brellach whinging about it! Expect protests!
by Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:13 am
by Caracasus » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:02 am
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:10 am
Caracasus wrote:Ok. I know the relations between most of you, Raef, hiw friendly are our nations? Newcomers, how would your nation feel about Caracasus? Will wait until newcomers post before including them in next posts for obvious reasons...
Brellach, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume a colony of your folk in Caracasus... if that works for you?
by Watersville » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:23 am
Caracasus wrote:Ok. I know the relations between most of you, Raef, hiw friendly are our nations? Newcomers, how would your nation feel about Caracasus? Will wait until newcomers post before including them in next posts for obvious reasons...
Brellach, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume a colony of your folk in Caracasus... if that works for you?
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:27 am
-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
by Unnamedland » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:45 am
by Watersville » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:06 am
Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
by Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 am
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:28 am
Watersville wrote:Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
Here are our answers.
-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
In the 20th century, we were under the control of a dictatorship that we peacefully broke away from. In the end, the people elected a monarchy to be the face of the nation and as such the Watters family began their rule.
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
In Watersville, their is a definitive setup where we have a single house parliament that is voted by the people. There are 5 political parties that are currently active in the nation. The largest party must have a 2/3 majority and must form a coalition government to reach this 2/3 majority if they themselves do not have a 2/3 majority. That coalition then chooses a person that will be the President of the nation. For rules and laws, 2/3 of the parliment must approve the rule to advance to the president who can veto it. If the bill is vetoed, Parliment can then override the veto with a 5/6 majority. If the president signs the bill in question, it then gets voted by the people where if it gets more than 50% approval, it is considered a law but if it doesn't get 50% approval then it is rejected.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
Popular sovereignty
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
The people of Watersville are allowed to think and believe whatever they wish, so I don't really see how it would be an issue.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
The answer to this question is no. We have however acted as a humanitarian organization and have opened up aid camps and clinics during the Oehiton conflict and the Iberis Peninsula Conflict.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
In the 20th century, we broke free from the dictator that ruled Watersville through peaceful protests.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
It is definitely leaning more towards a urban based population. Watersville is very focused on protecting the environment. Based on this, I would say it is probably around 80% urban and 20% rural.
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
Not that I am aware of
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
According to Nationstates, Watersville is ranked within the top 20% for income equality. In Watersville on average, the rich make around 1.5 times more than the poor.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:59 am
Danceria wrote:-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes, two in fact, one that attempted to overthrow the nobility and one to restore it. (Communists vs Fascists)
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Indeed, allowing for the co-operation of the common people to vote in civil law, while allowing for nobles to make executive decisions if need be.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Popular Sovereignty in the face of national and international prosperity
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism? None, even though we're culturally more individualistic and capitalists, we certainly see some positive sides to the ideas.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? None, we've been busy recovering from Civil War.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Yes, it was a succession war between the Communists and the Nobility, the Communists succeeded in seceding from the main nation, and causing ripple effects resulting in nigh-total collapse of Danceria. However, the National Front for Dancerian Unity (Fascists) created a provincial dictatorship to reincorporate the Communist controlled territories, oust the communists, and continued in power until a suitable successor was found. The Constitutional Monarchy was restored and modernized, and the Fascists became an ordinary party in a multiparty Assembly.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 85% Urban/suburban, 15% rural
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? N/A
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? Slightly, the rich make 1.9 times more than the poorest on average.
by Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:03 pm
Raef Tige wrote:Danceria wrote:-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes, two in fact, one that attempted to overthrow the nobility and one to restore it. (Communists vs Fascists)
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Indeed, allowing for the co-operation of the common people to vote in civil law, while allowing for nobles to make executive decisions if need be.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Popular Sovereignty in the face of national and international prosperity
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism? None, even though we're culturally more individualistic and capitalists, we certainly see some positive sides to the ideas.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? None, we've been busy recovering from Civil War.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Yes, it was a succession war between the Communists and the Nobility, the Communists succeeded in seceding from the main nation, and causing ripple effects resulting in nigh-total collapse of Danceria. However, the National Front for Dancerian Unity (Fascists) created a provincial dictatorship to reincorporate the Communist controlled territories, oust the communists, and continued in power until a suitable successor was found. The Constitutional Monarchy was restored and modernized, and the Fascists became an ordinary party in a multiparty Assembly.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 85% Urban/suburban, 15% rural
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? N/A
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? Slightly, the rich make 1.9 times more than the poorest on average.
Like with Watersville, Tigens are wary of the shadows of classism and militarism which persist in your nation's civic discourse. While we likely would have supported your factions in the war against the separatists, having faced a ethnic state-communist insurgency of our own in 1961-68, the Dynamic-Mutualist Party likely has taken a keen interest in watching the authority of fascists in influential areas of the government - while we wish to continue an open channel with capitalists, as they have the opportunity to learn from our ways, and vice versa. Fascists and ultra-authoritarians, however, our population opposes, as we are still recovering from the legacy of a dark, near-totalitarian period in our nation's history following the uprising and lasting until the creation of power-limiting amendments to the constitution which ensured the bulk of political power remained in the hands of municipal and see-level authorities. Of course, if the war was recent, there is a decent chance that there are moderate socialists and intellectuals who fled the country for safer waters, much like with Uan aa Boa. This might anger some members of your government that these former political rivals hold some reasonable clout in a foreign power.
by Uan aa Boa » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:41 pm
by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:53 pm
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by Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:49 pm
by Caracasus » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:59 pm
Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.
-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes. The Nineday Revolution and subsequent revolutions in neighbouring states paved the way for the Treaty of Caracasus and the formation of the USSC
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Administration is largely delegated to Artificial Intelligence and Heuristic Machines. There is no real political hierarchy as such. Caracasus has cheerfully gone decades without an official head of state in the past.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Most definitely the latter.
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?Frankly Caracasusians have qualms about everything... but no, no major issues. Many thinkers consider the economic model with great interest.Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? Sigh... Caracasus doesn't go looking for trouble, but trouble often finds us:-The First Iberan Peninsular war (1954). Intervention against a neighbouring dictatorship. Culminated in the siege of Parsoh.
-War against the Orion Hegemony (1972)- Caracasus was a part of a greater alliance, and was attacked. Most of its navy destroyed, out of the war pretty early. Eventual defeat of the Orion Hegemony, though Caracasus played little part in it.
-Defense of an ally. (1994) - Plessur attacked by an enemy. Caracasusian fighter planes sent to protect the skies. Eventual victory.
-The Oehiton Conflict (2010) - Originally distributing aid to civilian populations in the country. Caracasus joined with invading forces to end the war after its and Watersville's aid camps were attacked by Oehiton government forces. Eventual victory and the creation of South Cardulan (formerly Northern Oehiton)
- The Orisio Pissing Contest (2015)- Southern neighbor launched a sneak attack on defenses in the Orisio Province. Approximately 6 days of exchange of rocket fire and minor clashes led to a cease-fire. The war was named officially after a popular movement that saw Caracasus's foreign policy as partially to blame for the conflict.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Some minor civil unrest, sponsored by foreign parties. Nothing major.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 60/40, though hard to gauge. Whilst some concentration of resources and people in urban centres is unavoidable, Caracasus Industry and Trade has done its best to ensure that the benefits of city living (access to services etc) is replicated as efficiently as possible in rural areas and vice versa. Caracasusian cities have great expanses of wilderness and forest built into them in places, often resembling small clusters of buildings across a much wider area than a traditional city would accommodate.
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? Strange Tenancy was a popular Anarchist movement during the revolution and remains strong today. Caracasusian communes are sort of mutualist in that the members collectively own the means of production - though personal property in the form of housing is very rare. Some of the states that make up Caracasus (Noteably Orisio) allow for personal property however many do not. Caracasusian currency takes the form of electronic labour vouchers and as such income is tied to labour, not investment/rent etc.
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? No
by Uan aa Boa » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:29 am
Raef Tige wrote:Uan aa Boa -
Your government might be at risk for sanctions, largely because of the party's dislike for autocracies, but also because of the bloody and vicious partisan fighting which has caused a small but vocal minority of Boan refugees to form, many of them moderate socialists, liberals, and even a few holdovers from the colonial era. One of our geology officers, Dr. Karenzi, is one of these former moderates. While we were not on good terms with either of the prior governments, the Party is not certain that it can form a positive relationship with the Workers' Party.
by Caracasus » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:45 am
Uan aa Boa wrote:Raef Tige wrote:Uan aa Boa -
Your government might be at risk for sanctions, largely because of the party's dislike for autocracies, but also because of the bloody and vicious partisan fighting which has caused a small but vocal minority of Boan refugees to form, many of them moderate socialists, liberals, and even a few holdovers from the colonial era. One of our geology officers, Dr. Karenzi, is one of these former moderates. While we were not on good terms with either of the prior governments, the Party is not certain that it can form a positive relationship with the Workers' Party.
Fair enough. The more I learn about Raef Tige the more I think that your diplomatic relations with capitalist and imperialist powers and the role of organised religion in your society would make these reservations mutual.
Uan aa Boa is becoming accustomed to a certain isolation, although we do send foreign aid (to the people and not to their governments is the official rationale) and attempt to maintain diplomatic relations with neighbours. Travel is permitted and tourism one of our major income sources. Our admiration for Caracasus is unfeigned - although it's a culturally bewildering place it shows that great economic heights can be scaled without developing inequality, though there's a developing private worry that we're being humoured as one might indulge an entertainingly precocious child. (Actually, given the post above it puts me in mind of the Culture in the novels of Iain M. Banks. Anyone familiar?)
The flow of disaffected people runs in both directions. Radicals, malcontents and idealists from many nations have made their way to Uan aa Boa and, as long as they are willing to play their assigned part, been welcomed with open arms. It may well be that images of the beloved Comrade Chairman adorn student bedrooms across the region in the manner of Che Guevara. Uan aa Boa isn't the only nation that might find some of its diaspora popping up on the other side of the divide.
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