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by The Redvale » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:54 am
by -Anthor- » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:05 am
The Redvale wrote:As for hosting I think we should see first if Lisander wants to do it, because he suggested it. I was going to host it back when I came up with the idea but I think I'll pull out of that because I was planning on running it with a very different format, that I'll probably save for a GT cars thing later. I kind of like the idea of having different racing events throughout the year so there's always something to compete in, even in the WGPC offseason.
by Barunia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:54 am
West-East Timor wrote:To the rules Esmerel proposed:
As The Redvale said, them being the same as WGPC helps for continuity purposes. Just if we actually make it a One Make series, we'd need no car abilities I guess. If we do same powertrain for all teams or something, but let teams develop their own chassis, they would make sense again.Barunia wrote:
Maybe have multiple scorinators, with each person assigned one or more races. That should help spread the load and possibly help more people become involved in scorination.
Might be a good idea, but if some people forget about it it might also cause chaos.
by West-East Timor » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:44 am
Barunia wrote:West-East Timor wrote:To the rules Esmerel proposed:
As The Redvale said, them being the same as WGPC helps for continuity purposes. Just if we actually make it a One Make series, we'd need no car abilities I guess. If we do same powertrain for all teams or something, but let teams develop their own chassis, they would make sense again.
Might be a good idea, but if some people forget about it it might also cause chaos.
When I missed a scorination in the GCF test season (that's cricket, in case you were wondering), Liventia stepped in to score. If we have an overall person, perhaps the president of the governing body, who can step in when those problems occur, than it won't happen. From what I can tell, Audio has been late with the scorination of the WGPC a few times this season (with valid reasons, I hasten to add), and this would make sure that there's someone else to step into that breach.
by Audioslavia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:05 am
by Esmerel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:26 pm
by Eastfield Lodge » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:30 pm
by Esmerel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:42 pm
Audioslavia wrote:I'll try to work on a user-friendly version of the excel scorinator I use for WGPC. It's a biggie, though, so anyone wanting to host WGP2 would have a fight on their hands with it. I can walk them through the intricacies of it without too much of a hassle.
Inspired by the logos I've seen, here's my attempt at a WGP2 logo:(Image)
And, inspired partly by my preview poster from a couple of years back, when I first took over WGPC, here's a WGP2 preview poster. Use or discard any of the above, it's up to you.
Eastfield Lodge wrote:The WGPC, afaik, has never had a ruling on refuelling in pit stops.
But 107% rule should never be in play here. It's been removed from the WGPC for the reason that it would limit RP'ing.
by Lisander » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:57 pm
Rardium wrote:When would we be allowed to start creating teams?
by -Anthor- » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:26 pm
by West-East Timor » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:45 am
by -Anthor- » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:53 pm
West-East Timor wrote:I don't like having not many teams, as I think there is quite some interest in this. See, if everyone who has posted something in this thread (except Audio, who I think said he wouldn't participate) signed up a team, we already had 12 teams, and I think there are way more people interested. Also, IRL GP2 (or now Formula 2) has always about as many teams as F1 has. If we do only about six teams or so, they should be allowed to sign more, I'd say up to four drivers, like in Formula 3 (guess that's what you meant with larger pool of drivers).
by Megelan » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:47 pm
-Anthor- wrote:No I meant, ideally; there is 12 people who have indicated interest. Limit the teams to 6, the other 6 people get to play drivers.
by West-East Timor » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:54 am
-Anthor- wrote:West-East Timor wrote:I don't like having not many teams, as I think there is quite some interest in this. See, if everyone who has posted something in this thread (except Audio, who I think said he wouldn't participate) signed up a team, we already had 12 teams, and I think there are way more people interested. Also, IRL GP2 (or now Formula 2) has always about as many teams as F1 has. If we do only about six teams or so, they should be allowed to sign more, I'd say up to four drivers, like in Formula 3 (guess that's what you meant with larger pool of drivers).
No I meant, ideally; there is 12 people who have indicated interest. Limit the teams to 6, the other 6 people get to play drivers.
Megelan wrote:Or, 6 teams take part in WGP2, 6 teams take part in WGP3, with the top 2 teams of WGP3 promoted to WGP2 and the bottom 2 teams of WGP2 relegated to WGP3. It could've happened between Formula 1 and GP2.
by Barunia » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:12 am
-Anthor- wrote:West-East Timor wrote:I don't like having not many teams, as I think there is quite some interest in this. See, if everyone who has posted something in this thread (except Audio, who I think said he wouldn't participate) signed up a team, we already had 12 teams, and I think there are way more people interested. Also, IRL GP2 (or now Formula 2) has always about as many teams as F1 has. If we do only about six teams or so, they should be allowed to sign more, I'd say up to four drivers, like in Formula 3 (guess that's what you meant with larger pool of drivers).
No I meant, ideally; there is 12 people who have indicated interest. Limit the teams to 6, the other 6 people get to play drivers.
by Audioslavia » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:43 am
by Esmerel » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:38 am
-Anthor- wrote:West-East Timor wrote:I don't like having not many teams, as I think there is quite some interest in this. See, if everyone who has posted something in this thread (except Audio, who I think said he wouldn't participate) signed up a team, we already had 12 teams, and I think there are way more people interested. Also, IRL GP2 (or now Formula 2) has always about as many teams as F1 has. If we do only about six teams or so, they should be allowed to sign more, I'd say up to four drivers, like in Formula 3 (guess that's what you meant with larger pool of drivers).
No I meant, ideally; there is 12 people who have indicated interest. Limit the teams to 6, the other 6 people get to play drivers.
Megelan wrote:-Anthor- wrote:No I meant, ideally; there is 12 people who have indicated interest. Limit the teams to 6, the other 6 people get to play drivers.
Or, 6 teams take part in WGP2, 6 teams take part in WGP3, with the top 2 teams of WGP3 promoted to WGP2 and the bottom 2 teams of WGP2 relegated to WGP3. It could've happened between Formula 1 and GP2.
Audioslavia wrote:Currently in WGPC team signups are open, but only 10-13 are selected for the final field. In previous seasons, team signups were done by invitation only. Good RPers from previous seasons were offered teams and, rarely, good RPers from elsewhere on NS Sports were given opportunities to run teams. I may use the invitational method for WGPC16 if WGP2 is a success. Offers of a team would remain open to historically important teams and users who may not have RP'd so heavily in recent editions (Nekoni carried the WGPC through its less popular years, Liventia was a former host, while Vilita and Hodori are the foremost petrol-heads on the forum. Naturally I'd usually want to select McPahan too, though this isn't always a certainty.) for the respective users to accept or pass, with the other slots being taken by the best RPers. There's a backbone of around 7/8 users currently RPing the WGPC and they would all be offered invitations to form teams next season. We'll see what the score is come the end of the year.
I'm saying this because I'd see WGP2 as a feeder to the WGPC both OOCly and ICly. Teams who RP well in the WGP2 would have a very good chance of being invited to form a team in the next WGPC season. A newcomer to WGP2 who does well may well be offered a team despite not taking part in the current WGPC season.
ICly I don't see a reason why a driver would race in WGPC and then, immediately after, race in WGP2. It could happen the other way round, and you could have drivers from a few seasons ago trying to find their feet again in the second division before a possible call-up to the big leagues, but it ICly wouldn't make sense for, say, someone like Fernando Alonso to finish an F1 season and then try his hand at Formula 3.
I think it's also important to note that, for most users, having one driver is more than enough. RPing a team takes time and effort and involves co-RPing skills with one or more other users. It's not for the faint of heart.
I don't think there should be a hard limit on WGP2 team entries for now, simply because you can't really know how popular any given season/event is going to be. There have been times when I've had about 14/15 credible teams enter WGPC but ended up with only 10 final entrants and/or 7 or 8 actively participating teams. I doubt there'd be a demand for a further 'division three' of racing.
If there's anything I'd recommend keeping to a low number it's the amount of race weekends and events. 8 races would be enough for a first season, with one pre-season test and one mid-season test. You don't want to burn yourself out. There's a reason I only did one fifteen-race season in the past, and why more than one previous WGPC edition ended prematurely.
by Barunia » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:58 am
Esmerel wrote:Audioslavia wrote:I don't think there should be a hard limit on WGP2 team entries for now, simply because you can't really know how popular any given season/event is going to be. There have been times when I've had about 14/15 credible teams enter WGPC but ended up with only 10 final entrants and/or 7 or 8 actively participating teams. I doubt there'd be a demand for a further 'division three' of racing.
If there's anything I'd recommend keeping to a low number it's the amount of race weekends and events. 8 races would be enough for a first season, with one pre-season test and one mid-season test. You don't want to burn yourself out. There's a reason I only did one fifteen-race season in the past, and why more than one previous WGPC edition ended prematurely.
You, sir, have wonderful thinking. I completely understand that relegation doesn't really make sense, but at the moment I feel it's alright for Jean because of his very subpar performance, which isn't enough to warrant a position in the WGPC. If he finds better form in the last four races, I'd probably reconsider.
As for everything else, it'd make sense that this division is smaller. Maybe 10 teams can sign, with an eleventh works team, and eight races with two tests, one pre-season and one mid-season, run biweekly.
by Esmerel » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:25 am
by Lisander » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:14 am
by Esmerel » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:06 am
Lisander wrote:Teams
Between 10 and 12.
2 drivers to each one, a test driver on standby is optional, and free agents can be called at any moment. 20 to 24 drivers are enough. More than it, go to ovals. Probably, in the last races, we'll have only 6 or 7 drivers posting. Be realist. This is still a prospect, you shouldn't go that crazy. No need to say, WGP3 is not needed, neither makes sense.
Circuits
I'll be taking up the idea of Audio here. Up to 8. We don't need a long series. Long series are usually boring. Even more for newbies who will probably get bored after round 2 or 3. 250 Km races are a good distance.
Levels
More importance to drivers than cars in the levels. Something like 75% driver and 25% car. I believe this would attract more nations to RP, even if not Petrolheads. It doesn't need to be a one-make series, but I think we should have cars with similar specs, with no great deviations. If I find myself able to scorinate this, I'll consult Audioslavia about WGPC system and how it can be worked to fit WGP2.
WGPC team reserves
I think this should be a feeder series, not a B Teams competition. Creativity in names of teams should be encouraged. Even if I join WGP2 with Ludi Wiel and Bastian Alcaraz, two drivers known by their Heroes' links, I won't name it "Bitten Heroes Reserves". Same for "promotion and relegation", forget it. This is auto racing, not football.
The Brand Identity
Talking as a Graphic Designer: We should follow the guidelines of current WGPC. If Audio decides to change WGPC Brands, we follow, as a Feeder series. Until that, we should stick to an identity similar to WGPC 15. If WGPC have to modify their branding to follow its feeder championship, what is the principal series? I like the Esmerel idea with the red two.
by The Redvale » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:14 am
by Lockheed (Ancient) » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:34 am
by Esmerel » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:43 am
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