Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Bakery Hill]

Both of you are wrong. Denmark, Sweden, and Norway are more developed and Superior to Chile, Cuba, or any other one of your stupid former communist/fascist dictatorships

and lol at a libertarian supporting a fascist dictator. That just proves how contradictory and stupid libertarianism is

Scandinavian countries have higher development than the rest of the world. Know why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOCIALISM

Denmark hdi 9.25
Norway hdi 9.49 (HIGHET IN THE WORLD)
Sweden hdi 9.13

All three have high income taxes (WHICH AREN'T AN ATROCITY, RETARDS) high government regulation (WHICH ISN'T COMMUNISM, RIGHT WING RETARDS) free education/healthcare/daycare, worker benefits, welfare and a strong safety net, paid sick/maternity leave, strict gun regulation, and low levels of corruption. ALL THANKS TO SOCIALISM.

Consistently uses ableist slurs, spits on the memories of those killed in the Jonestown massacre. SW is a social fascist.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This person reminds me of when I thought the Scandinavian countries were socialist. Then I became an actual socialist.

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.

It's literally socialism.

[Uiiop]

This person reminds me of when I thought the Scandinavian countries were socialist. Then I became an actual socialist.

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.

How ableist of you.
Also you haven't really provided any evidence or any solid proof to your idea of socialism.

It's not abelist if they are actually retarded. Like most Right wing people.

Not according to all psychologists and psychiatrists m8.
Still waiting on anything more than assertions on your definition.

[Bakery Hill]

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.

It's literally socialism.

They're tired of NSG I think and are trying to get banned.

[Yevraziyskaya Rus]

I am trying to find good decolonization essays right now, but none of them seem to answer my questions: How will power structures between settlers and the colonized be changed through decolonization? How is decolonization not a metaphor? How can decolonization bring about true equality between the settlers and the colonized?

You might have to be a little more specific with some of these questions. Postcolonial studies is a pretty tricky subject.

The last question is a very good one, though, and leaves a lot to be answered between the settler-colonized relationship after decolonization.

I'm aware. I'm just trying to get a general understanding of the ideology. Decolonisation seems like something I'd be passionate about, but the stuff I've ran into doesn't make it look promising.

[Threlizdun]

This person reminds me of when I thought the Scandinavian countries were socialist. Then I became an actual socialist.

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.

How ableist of you.
Also you haven't really provided any evidence or any solid proof to your idea of socialism.

It's not abelist if they are actually retarded. Like most Right wing people.

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

[USS Monitor]

Both of you are wrong. Denmark, Sweden, and Norway are more developed and Superior to Chile, Cuba, or any other one of your stupid former communist/fascist dictatorships

and lol at a libertarian supporting a fascist dictator. That just proves how contradictory and stupid libertarianism is

Scandinavian countries have higher development than the rest of the world. Know why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOCIALISM

Denmark hdi 9.25
Norway hdi 9.49 (HIGHET IN THE WORLD)
Sweden hdi 9.13

All three have high income taxes (WHICH AREN'T AN ATROCITY, RETARDS) high government regulation (WHICH ISN'T COMMUNISM, RIGHT WING RETARDS) free education/healthcare/daycare, worker benefits, welfare and a strong safety net, paid sick/maternity leave, strict gun regulation, and low levels of corruption. ALL THANKS TO SOCIALISM.

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[Pasong Tirad]

You might have to be a little more specific with some of these questions. Postcolonial studies is a pretty tricky subject.

The last question is a very good one, though, and leaves a lot to be answered between the settler-colonized relationship after decolonization.

I'm aware. I'm just trying to get a general understanding of the ideology. Decolonisation seems like something I'd be passionate about, but the stuff I've ran into doesn't make it look promising.

Saïd is your best bet, as well as essays relating to the voice of the subaltern, and, for a Filipino perspective I'd go for the bible of history from below, Reynaldo Ileto's Pasyon and Revolution

[Conscentia]

Is anyone here in favor of central planning?

I'm in-favour of economic planning. I take issue with the "central" part. That implies some organisation decides on a plan then violently imposes it's plan upon everyone else involved. What I advocate would better be described as negotiated planning, wherein organisations involved negotiate to decide upon and effect a plan.

[Socialist Women]

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.It's not abelist if they are actually retarded. Like most Right wing people.

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

Is anyone here in favor of central planning?

I'm in-favour of economic planning. I take issue with the "central" part. That implies some organisation decides on a plan then violently imposes it's plan upon everyone else involved. What I advocate would better be described as negotiated planning, wherein organisations involved negotiate to decide upon and effect a plan.

Which can only be carried out with a government. I would LOVE to see your FLAWLESS idea for "non governmental planning". Probably includes being a somali pirate or something.

[Philjia]

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

I'm in-favour of economic planning. I take issue with the "central" part. That implies some organisation decides on a plan then violently imposes it's plan upon everyone else involved. What I advocate would better be described as negotiated planning, wherein organisations involved negotiate to decide upon and effect a plan.

Which can only be carried out with a government. I would LOVE to see your FLAWLESS idea for "non governmental planning". Probably includes being a somali pirate or something.

Take a chill pill, for heaven's sake.

[Conscentia]

I'm in-favour of economic planning. I take issue with the "central" part. That implies some organisation decides on a plan then violently imposes it's plan upon everyone else involved. What I advocate would better be described as negotiated planning, wherein organisations involved negotiate to decide upon and effect a plan.

Which can only be carried out with a government. I would LOVE to see your FLAWLESS idea for "non governmental planning". Probably includes being a somali pirate or something.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

I'm in-favour of economic planning. I take issue with the "central" part. That implies some organisation decides on a plan then violently imposes it's plan upon everyone else involved. What I advocate would better be described as negotiated planning, wherein organisations involved negotiate to decide upon and effect a plan.

Which can only be carried out with a government. I would LOVE to see your FLAWLESS idea for "non governmental planning". Probably includes being a somali pirate or something.

Denmark isn't socialist.

[Farnhamia]

This person reminds me of when I thought the Scandinavian countries were socialist. Then I became an actual socialist.

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.

How ableist of you.
Also you haven't really provided any evidence or any solid proof to your idea of socialism.

It's not abelist if they are actually retarded. Like most Right wing people.

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[Community Values]

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

Crtl+f socialist or socialism in that wikipedia page. Not once does it come up. I made the same mistake as you a few weeks ago about scandinavian countries, but you should understand that there's a difference between the workers ownership of the means of production (socialism), and private ownership of the means of production with benefits towards the poor (social democracy). Of course, it seems that your only interest here is flaming.

[Lamerika]

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Denmark has a free market buddy, if anything they're Social Democrats, but not Socialist. You should really read up on what a socialist actually is before you parade yourself as one and criticize actual socialists for being just that.

[Threlizdun]

Flaming isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Do you care at all to actually answer anyone's questions about what makes the Scandinavian countries socialist despite them not in any way resembling historical conceptions of socialism? As of right now, it appears you aren't interested in actually debating.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
Read up on Denmark instead of fantasizing​ about killing random people in your "glorious communist utopia"

Linking to a wikipedia page, which does not even refer to Denmark as socialist, is still not debating. I asked if you could personally explain how you define socialism and capitalism, how you differentiate the two, and what examples you could actually provide to support your claim that Denmark is socialist. I'm not attacking you; I'm merely asking for the bare minimum to make a debate even possible. Making strawman attacks against other posters and I doesn't prove your point, it just shows an unwillingness to rise above base character attacks and actually debate this issue. I highly doubt you actually are even remotely interested in debating on this forum, though if you are, you need to actually explain the definitions you are using and respond civilly to other people on this forum.

[Northern Davincia]

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As you can see, it experienced a great deal of prosperity in the late 70's before the business cycle took effect.

The nation also experienced negative growth during the 70s. I think that pretty much cancels out any positive growth.

Hence the inclusion of the term 'business cycle'.

Communism isn't socialism, commie moron.It's not abelist if they are actually retarded. Like most Right wing people.

Not according to all psychologists and psychiatrists m8.
Still waiting on anything more than assertions on your definition.

Technically right-wingers have resoundingly better mental health than their adversaries. Correlating with various circumstances, however.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Repub ... thers.aspx

[Geoagorist Territory]

I continue to find libertarian apologetics for cronyism baffling. The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.

[Northern Davincia]

I continue to find libertarian apologetics for cronyism baffling. The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Many libertarians are pragmatic. We're apologetic only as far as our goals are pushed a step farther than before.

[Great Minarchistan]

cough.

Vietnam's doing pretty okay, all things considered. They're not the best nor are they perfect in any way and their freedoms are really bad, but they're getting there.

...Thanks to an increasingly economic liberalism. Because if you go 30 or 40 years backwards when it was controlled by socialists you'll be probably able to check pictures worse than those Socialist Women posted.

[Great Minarchistan]

I continue to find libertarian apologetics for cronyism baffling. The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Many libertarians are pragmatic. We're apologetic only as far as our goals are pushed a step farther than before.

^ That. While we strive for a libertarian society (that pretty much eliminates cronyism, yo!), we want to be pragmatics rather than dreamers. Set high bars all of a sudden ain't helping or pushing the ideology in any way.

[Great Minarchistan]

Norway hdi 9.49 (HIGHET IN THE WORLD)

[...]

ALL THANKS TO SOCIALISM.

Daily reminder that Norway is pretty much a petrostate, so even socialism (or not) would manage it in a good way.

[Valgora]

Norway hdi 9.49 (HIGHET IN THE WORLD)

[...]

ALL THANKS TO SOCIALISM.

Daily reminder that Norway is pretty much a petrostate, so even socialism (or not) would manage it in a good way.

That link doesn't work as anti-socialist.

1. Venezuela isn't socialist

2. The article says that:
"... the oil extracted in Venezuela is very heavy and hard to refine and then sell to other countries. Venezuela needs to first mix its heavy oil with lighter types of crude to balance out the quality, according to Nilofar Saidi, an oil market analyst at ClipperData.
Saidi said Venezuela had already been importing lighter types of crude oil from Russia, Angola and Nigeria."

[Victores]

How is Communism against human nature when we are literally all communes made up of singe-celled organisms.