Hearts of Darkness (Alt-History, Nation) OOC | OPEN

[The New Greek Republic]

Or the Ottomans could annex the territory. It was in my plans to ask Iberia into a big union under me.

I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way but bugger off! That is Iberian clay! Plus don't you have Bourbon Algeria between you and Iberia?

Ally me and we can take down the imperialist Ottomano!

[Deramen]

I don't mean for you to take this the wrong way but bugger off! That is Iberian clay! Plus don't you have Bourbon Algeria between you and Iberia?

Ally me and we can take down the imperialist Ottomano!

Its Ottoderps to you.

[Camelone]

Well then just remember the Pennisular War, and that was against other Catholics.

[Pasong Tirad]

Ally me and we can take down the imperialist Ottomano!

Its Ottoderps to you.

Sultanerps of Ottoderps.

[The New Greek Republic]

Its Ottoderps to you.

Sultanerps of Ottoderps.

Ah the sweet Ottoderp Empur

[Pasong Tirad]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Ally me and we can take down the imperialist Ottomano!

Its Ottoderps to you.

Ottopussy.

[The New Greek Republic]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

A series of reasonable posts should be plenty, but I'm no OP

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

If it's NPC territory, IC post has to be realistic in the process of conquering it, and to make it as detailed as possible so that our mapmaker able to looked at the conquering and edited the map properly.

If it's player's territory, it means war and you have to settled it out in TG before posting in IC, or to discussing about the outcomes.

[New Grestin]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

[Pasong Tirad]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

Okay, sounds good. In my first IC post I have a force that is going to up and colonize Brunei and I'm writing up another IC post that actually claims it.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

I see that there are still some unclaimed lands in East Coast.

I'll colonize it soon.

[New Grestin]

Nationstates Name: Conwy-Shire
Nation Name: Royaume d'Algérie
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Upon review, I've changed my stance. Sorry for the confusion.

Denied.

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

I see that there are still some unclaimed lands in East Coast.

I'll colonize it soon.

Right, of course.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Nationstates Name: Conwy-Shire
Nation Name: Royaume d'Algérie
ID TAG 1997 (DO NOT REMOVE)

Accepted

I see that there are still some unclaimed lands in East Coast.

I'll colonize it soon.

Right, of course.

Yes.

[Da Klan]

Anyway, how does one go about with conquering territory that hasn't been claimed? Is there a system I have to go through or does the IC post just have to be realistic enough about it?

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

Well rest of the Caribbean and nearby islands that are not already occupied by another nation here I come!

[Conwy-Shire]

Nationstates Name: Conwy-Shire
Nation Name: Royaume d'Algérie
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Upon review, I've changed my stance. Sorry for the confusion.

Denied.

Heyyy, it's cool and all that you changed your decision, but could you lay out the reasoning behind it - I've already encountered some opaque mechanisms in this RP so far, so I just want to clear up why

[New Grestin]

Upon review, I've changed my stance. Sorry for the confusion.

Denied.

Heyyy, it's cool and all that you changed your decision, but could you lay out the reasoning behind it - I've already encountered some opaque mechanisms in this RP so far, so I just want to clear up why :)

A handful of things, mainly the size of the population and navy, as well as some of the claimed territories.

The advanced nature of the navy, especially in an area with mediocre development at best, would be an issue.

If you cut down some of the territorial claims and reduced the navy a bit, then I'd be more inclined to give it a swing.

[Conwy-Shire]

A handful of things, mainly the size of the population and navy, as well as some of the claimed territories.

The advanced nature of the navy, especially in an area with mediocre development at best, would be an issue.

If you cut down some of the territorial claims and reduced the navy a bit, then I'd be more inclined to give it a swing.

The initial premise was that it was a client state to the French - holding territories in their name, but if you're thinking that it should be more of an independent state, then you can take a look at this:

Nationstates Name: Conwy-Shire
Nation Name: Royaume d'Algérie
Flag:
Motto: Montjoie!
Governing Ideology: Though considered an absolute monarchy in the vein of the era, local governance is carried out by oligarchies of the 'pure french' in society
Leader(s): Roi Louis III, de Bourbon (by Algerian reckoning); a 15-year old monarch currently under an oligarchic regency
Territorial Claims: Algerian coastline and highlands, if permitted then the mouth of the Congo River and the area surrounding Port Harcourt (as colonies), visualisation
Population: 2,894,000 (using estimate via. 'populstat' resource)
Land Forces: roughly 20,000 Infantry. 7,000 Cavalry. 2,000 Artillery personnel
Naval Forces: 1 Ironclad (under construction), 8 Man O' Wars, 70 miscellaneous transports, with sufficient local and foreign crews
The service rifle is the 'Fusil modèle 1866 Chassepot', the standard field gun is a canon-obusier de 12, though in both cases less uniform arms are employed amongst less-well equipped battalions.

Point of Divergence: 1733 technically, but the major POD is 1765 After Frances' defeat in the Seven Years' War
History: After losing control of New France in the aftermath of the seven-years' war; Louis XV of France frantically sought new territories in which to pour the nations' colonial fervour. Looking south across the Mediterranean sea, the French monarch saw the autonomous lands of Algeria - nominally under Ottoman suzerainty, though independant for all intents and purposes. Under the pretext of stopping Barbary piracy, which stemmed from Algeria at the time, the French quickly seized coastal Algeria, executing the dynasty of the local Dey for harbouring the Barbary pirates. Through this a power vacuum was created, into which King Louis placed his son, Philippe - who had miraculously overcame his childhood sickness. Philippe, now Duc d'Anjou and 35 years of age, was made Duc d'Algerie and tasked with establishing a functioning - and French - administration in the hopes of one day formally annexing Algeria into the French core territories.

Under Duc Philippe, a series of racial and centralising programs incited a number of uprisings, all of which were put down by the army of Philippe's father - who was more than happy to protect the colonial venture with French lives. By 1792 a new generation of Algerian locals were being raised to speak french, eat like the french, act like the french, and think like the french; thanks to the ruthless efficiency with which Philippe erased the pre-existing culture. As revolution unfolded in l'Hexagone, Algeria was left largely to its own devices, experiencing little unrest of its own due to the lack of a presence of enlightenment ideals to spur the population against the monarchy. Philippe was nearing his 63rd birthday when he received news of the execution of his King and Nephew Louis XVI. Algeria officially paid lip service to the French Republic whilst maintaining its Ducal system, with the revolutionaries turning a blind eye towards the backwards colony as they attempted to solidify power and respond to reactionary forces on the European mainland.

With the rise of Bonaparte in France, Algeria was granted a special place as a subject state, even though Napoleon raised the Duke, Louis I, to the title of King - or Roi - to better reflect the standing of the now ethnically French territory within the Continental system. Louis retained his title during the collapse of the Napoleonic empire, seeing the position of Napoleon's inexperienced successor as untenable, and instead aided the Restoration of the Bourbon monarchy in 1817.

During the post-restoration era Algeria followed in the example of its parent Kingdom in establishing control over the beginnings of a colonial empire. The mouth of the Congo was first settled in 1823 with the establishment of a small enclave-port named Port-Royal; and in 1829 Algerian soldiers stormed the coast of what became Port Harcourt, annexing the regionally important coastal settlement and establishing a Pale in which they created cultural plantations.

During the period between 1829 and 1870, colonial fervour came to a standstill, and whilst cultural plantations on the Harcourt coast, as well as exploratory expeditions attracted a steady flow of culturally French citizens, the issues of development at home came to the forefront of the public conscience. The economy flourished after a loosening of the nations' mercantilist policies, and whilst the government still holds to a light form of imperial mercantilism concerning its colonies, free enterprises have become a new driving force in revitalising the economy and in drawing investments from across the Mediterranean Sea. Infrastructure has been a more recent concern for the Algerian Kingdom, and in 1868 King Louis II - father to the current King - opened the first 'Artérielle Royale', stretching from Tlemsen in the West to Bône in the East, passing through the coastal capital of Alger.

Culture: Algeria contains three main cultural groups, consisting of the pure-blooded French of Caucasian origin and European tastes - called colons - who run the hegemonic local governments and include integrated non-French Europeans. Alongside the colons are the assimilated and culturally French, yet ethnically Algerian évolués; and lastly the French-speaking, yet culturally Bedouin Hommes de frontière who reside in the nations' interior. Both the colons and evolues are majority groups, with the Hommes de frontiere being the only minority group of note. The cultural divides do not create any lasting social divisions, as all of the groups are at the very least acquiescently harmonious with each other - the only exception being a sharp cultural divide between some pastoral groups within the Bedouin minority and the upper echelons of the colons.
Theme: Thaxted

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[Imperial Idaho]

Nationstates Name: Hydraic Empire
Nation Name: The Triumvirate of Eastern Acadia
Flag (Optional): http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/ ... 861xae.jpg
Governing Ideology: Oligarchy
Leader(s): Supreme General Fredrick Johnson, Admiral James Smith, Consul Andrew Garfield
Territorial Claims: East Canada (all east of 90 W)
Population: ~750,000
Land Forces: 66,000
Naval Forces: 29,000
33 Ironclads, 42 other (asst.)

Point of Divergence: 1812
History: After the war of 1812, when America successfully conquered the British colony of Acadia, Great Britain launched a massive undertaking in which they sent large numbers of troops to reclaim Acadia. Acadia supplied many necessities and niceties in Great Britain, and they wanted it back. The local Acadian militia did not contribute many fources in the ensuing ruckus, and with both armies greatly weakened, Acadia was able to launch a surprise attack, driving out both America and Great Britain. Frederick Johnson negotiated with the British royalty, and a compromise was arranged that Acadia would send 15% of annual yield in crops and various textiles.
Culture: Cold-based; they have an affinity for all things cold. Freedom of religion, right to bear sidearms. Wood is important, as is paper - generally, avid readers. High literacy rate.
Theme: (Optional)

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I will quote this when it is finished.

EDIT 1- Fixed population to be more realistic. Elaborated on naval figures.
EDIT 2- Fixed divergence for feasability.

History doesn't check out, I would've asked the US (Me) and Britano-France (Tayner) if having the US move into Canada would be ok. It also doesn't consider the fact the British Empire has collapsed altogether, so they wouldn't have anyone to give tribute to anymore. Also needs to be two paragraphs. That Navy is also a no no. Around this time only superpowers had Ironclads, and not a lot at that, you have more than most people do combined. So no Ironclads, few if any. I would also appreciate it if you described your culture more in depth, describe what makes it different from it's neighbors and what cultures it is developed from.

Denied.

[Kisinger]

Nationstates Name: Kisinger
Nation Name: The Government of the British Isles in Exile
Flag (Optional):

Governing Ideology: Democracy
Leader(s): Head of State: Queen Alexandrina Victoria of House Hannover
Head of Government: Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli
Territorial Claims: Canada, and whatever is left of the Atlantic Dominion
Population: 3,865,400(Canada) + 1,500,000(British Expats) + 577,100(Jamaica) + 200,000 (Remainder of the Atlantic Islands) = 6,133,500 (Total)
Land Forces:
-British Expeditionary Force 100,000

1st Brigade Royal Marines
10,000 Men

This is still a Work in progress but shouldn't effect the rest of my application

-Canadian Garrison 135,000
-Jamaican Garrison 25,000
-Caribbean Garrison 25,000
-South Atlantic Garrison 10,000 (The Falklands, Saint Helena, South Georgia, and the South Sandwich Islands)
300,000 in Total
Naval Forces:

First Rates of 120 Guns
Royal Albert (Screw)
Duke of Wellington (Screw)
Marlborough
First Rates of 110 Guns
Victoria
Queen (Screw)
Second Rates of 90 Guns
Albion (Screw)
Algiers (Screw)
Caesar (Screw)
Orion (Screw)
Second Rates of 80 Guns
Vanguard
Goliath
Superb
Hood
Brunswick (Screw)
Lion
Mars (Screw)
Third Rates of 70 Guns
Boscawen (Screw)
Cumberland
Kent
Other Wooden Hulled Steamships of the Line
St Jean d’Acre (101 Guns)
Conqueror (101 Guns)
Prince Regent (92 Guns)
Royal William (89 Guns)
Rodney (91 Guns)
Nile (91 Guns)
Frigates (Between 16 and 50 Guns)
Active
Sybile
Thetis
Raliegh
Octavia
Leander
Terrible (Paddle Frigate)
Furious (Paddle Frigate)
Dauntless (Screw)
Curacoa (Screw)
Shannon (Screw)

In Total: 7 First Rates, 15 Second Rates, 3 Third Rates, 11 Frigates, 40 Assorted Sloops, Brigs, and other smaller ships
Point of Divergence: 1707
History: According to the Scottish History, The Scottish Parliament rejected the Acts of Union and it appears both carried on their merry way with England expanding its Empire across the World, from South Africa to Singapore. Until sometime in the 1850s I think with a French Invasion expelling the British Crown who fled with various Army and Naval Units to Canada and that’s where I’ll pick it up I guess.

Following the expulsion of the English Crown to Canada, Queen Victoria of England, declared that the British Isles will be restored to her, and that the whole of the ISles belong to the new British Government. Though this bold declaration came from the Queen, it was quickly forgotten as now waves upon waves of British Expats fled the French Regime to Canada and other former British Colonies hoping to return one day and reclaim their Islands. While these Expats were welcomed they started to become a problem very quickly, with the population surge quickly outgrowing the Agricultural output of Canada, resulting in dependence upon American Grain and other food stuffs. Though, the recently established British Government sought about to remove this reliance with the passage of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1860, this Act of Parliament subsidized the Agricultural Sector particularly in the area of food stuffs. While initially it did not improve the Agricultural Sector, it would take several years and a greater movement of Canadians and British Expats Westward as farmers to improve the supply of grains, and meat.
While this was just one of the major problems of the British Government settled there was still many more to be settled. While few would be settled at first with major construction plans, such as those passed under the Naval Construction Act of 1867 to build additional Ports and build Shipyards capable of handling larger and newer Warships. However many still existed, such as the growing need of Industry to supply the future goals of the British Government not to mention the needs of the people. Canada now sits on balance, with the arrival of the British Government bringing change, will it be helpful for Canada in the long run? Or will it bring the French to launch an Invasion of Canada and spell the end of the Great idea that was the return of the Crown to the British ISles? Only time will tell...
Culture: Canadian, basically what happens when you let Brits loose in the North American Wilderness and keep the Quebecois in Quebec
Theme: Propaganda Poster Now Lets Go Over There

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[Pimps Inc]

It's going to vary. In the case of the United States, for example, most of the territory is already inhabited by Americans and imply needs to be inducted into the CSA or USA as a state.

In the case of NPC nations, it needs to make at least some sense.

Colonization, such as in Africa and uncolonized regions, would really just be a bunch of people showing up with guns and saying "This is ours now", so the process for that would obviously be less complicated.

Well rest of the Caribbean and nearby islands that are not already occupied by another nation here I come!

Mexico is rolling out a new foreign policy called Doctrina Monroe. Any war in the Caribbean in which a European/Divided States of America/Larger, Imperialistic Latin American country tries to get involved in will warrant a Mexican Intervention on the side of the weaker Caribbean. With French support. Unless that war is initiated directly by the Caribbean country.

[Welfresio]

Japan we can be friends ,pweese?

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Japan we can be friends ,pweese?

Japan hardly sees the benefits in befriending China.

Of course, if China is willing to do some concessions or pulling their strings to force Korea to surrendered half of their territories to Japan, well, it can be arranged.

[Insaeldor]

Tfw Russia, Ottomans, and Persians are trying to recreate the modern Middle East in 1870.

[Pasong Tirad]

Tfw Russia, Ottomans, and Persians are trying to recreate the modern Middle East in 1870.

The extremists will be Zoroastrian.