Furthermore, I am of the opinion [OOC- CLOSED!]

[Opplandia]

Which NS rule?
Regardless, the rule saying so is clear on the first post.
And even ignoring that, I still have power in this RP in the form of my nation and participation.

Play around with that all you want, you wont change any facts that way.

[Tekeristan]

Which NS rule?
Regardless, the rule saying so is clear on the first post.
And even ignoring that, I still have power in this RP in the form of my nation and participation.

Play around with that all you want, you wont change any facts that way.

I'm contacting a mentor and I've read through the rules, I'll use them to confirm my thoughts of not having seen any rules against such.

I must ask regardless, what difference does it make for the game?

Tekeristan isn't storming any embassies. Though the lane is quite guarded. Not that it really matters, but eh.

[Tekeristan]

As discovered in telegrams that have been exchanged, I will no longer be participating whatsoever.

[Slakonian]

So what is going on here, doing a party without me?

[Caracasus]

Okay. So I missed the drama whilst asleep. I would like to mention a few pointers here, both OOC and IC points. Consider it constructive criticism. I'd usually place this in a TG, but frankly Tekeristan isn't alone in making these errors. Mistakes are only really mistakes if no-one learns a lesson from them after all. I believe given that this RP will not be continuing I am safe to post the following points below without giving anyone any pointers or hints. I've very much taken this from "what I'd do if I was in Tek's position". If after reading this, the war RP restarts, I'll be providing a similar analysis of the situation much more beneficial to Cardulan and their allies for sake of balance.

Firstly, I think it's really important to remember the whole realpolitik thing. We all know that Cardulan, objectively, is not a very nice country when it comes to human rights etc. What Cardulan does do though, is appear to play by international rules. They may bend them from time to time, but whenever they break them it tends to be in secret, or at least in ways that are almost impossible to prove. Calling for the arrest of investigators (who are not part of the armed forces by the way, but guests in your nation) breaks those rules in a very public way. Nations who have yet to pick a side know that if they sent a police squad into Cardulan or any other country to investigate something under an international treaty, they would not be publicly arrested. Expelled? Maybe. Poisoned in their sleep? It's a possibility - but not arrested as a government sanctioned action. You don't have to be a shining example of good here at all, but you must always attempt to portray yourself as that - and give your enemies no evidence that you're not. This also goes for things like sneak attacks and badly constructed false flag operations. Nations can't easily support a nation that breaks international agreements openly without condoning those actions. Some examples of when doing evil but doing it cleverly: Tekeristan arranges shipment of weapons to the FMLN in the Iberis RP by sailing a ship carrying weapons by the pirates. Makes a deal with the pirates. There was nothing linking Tek to those actions, even if everyone suspected it no-one could prove it.

TL:DR None of us are the good guys, Watersville included. Your job is to be bad in a way that is very hard to prove.


Secondly, pick your battles, and pick your battlegrounds. There are a few investigators in Tekeristan. They're not part of the army, and frankly Watersville could take them in a fight now they have an army. Going after them all guns blazing is a pointless battle. As I've said, it's kind of illegal and even when you succeed, the damage done to your international reputation is far, far worse than any damage they could have done. Same goes with the naval stuff. If you're outgunned on the seas, don't fight on the seas. Scupper your ships on every possible landing site, shallows and beach you can find. Fill your docks with the wrecks of their hulls. Hell, take your ships, fill them with concrete in the shallows and use them as improvised anti-air platforms if you want. All the while your troops are bunkering down across the mountainous country. You're up against an enemy which is, while powerful, not exactly eager (from past experience) to get bogged down in an intensive guerrilla war. Use that against them. When they commit atrocities (which they will, war is a series of atrocities, usually conducted against civilians) publicize the hell out of it. Get those allies of theirs who play more lip-service to concepts like human rights to think twice about supporting the war for fear of losing the next election/getting deposed.

TL:DR - Don't get into an arse-kicking contest with a porcupine.


Thirdly, actual armed combat is a decisive part of warfare, but it is far from the only part. Diplomacy, negotiations and everything in between are important here. The whole issue with the ongoing investigations was murky at best. Hell, the official observer report said as much - use that as diplomatic ammunition. Demand that international overseers examine the conditions that arrested Tekeristanis are placed in. Accuse the investigators of constructing evidence - the entire situation is murky enough that some may have made honest (or less than honest) mistakes. Throw enough shit at the wall and see what sticks. Hell, fund anti-war movements in other countries - fund protests at embassies in Caracasus, Watersville, Bohemivaria and Nanjala.

TL:DR - Don't forget your diplomatic options.

Lastly, never forget your, or your enemy's objectives in a war. Your objective is to defend Tekeristan. Cardulan's objective is to destroy its armed forces. You're fortunate that you've picked a country that is pretty mountainous, and previously had a fairly paranoid regime in charge of it. I'd be really surprised if the natural fortifications hadn't been refined with bunker and tunnel complexes. I know I'm sounding a bit like Hoxha here, but bunkers, bunkers and more bunkers. Encourage your enemy to forget their objectives, drag them into the mountains and slaughter them. Objectively you don't stand a chance in an open battle, but your objective in this war doesn't need you to fight an open battle - Cardulan's does.

TL:DR - If the enemy is clearly superior in one area, don't try and challenge them in that area.

Finally - a couple of OOC points. We've all been around International Incidents to know that even when it's clearly stated that the RP in question isn't a war RP, someone will want to start a war. This RP was clearly a war RP from the outset. It's going to involve a lot of fighting. People are going to lose soldiers. Frankly part of me wonders if it wouldn't be better to have some limited war game capacity in NS, solely so that people think twice before incurring massive loss of life, defence forces and civilians before going to war but that's neither here nor there.

And lastly, before I start sounding like a broken record. You all know my thoughts on war RP's. In terms of my genuine, actual stance on war goes, it lies somewhere between Caracasus's and Watersville's. In terms of IC RP's - I favour proxy wars with specifically generated nations for that purpose every time. Feelings run very high with this sort of thing, and it never tends to end well.

TL:DR - Rather like when you're playing poker or gambling in general, never put down anything you're not prepared to lose. This includes your nation.

[Cardulan]

I would like to remind everybody of the rules set up for this RP. Once you are in, you are in and no deliberate stalling of the RP and no OOC posts in the IC. And a big hello to Slakonian! Welcome to the party.

I hope that all those who have joined the RP recently have read and understood those rules. Not only the one about nukes being allowed in this RP.

To clarify things: No, this RP is not on hold. You can continue to post. Caracasus has said everything about tactics and politics that needed to be said. The RP is official canon of my nation and of all those involved in it. The conflict will continue till it is solved IC. No worries about that. We will sort things out for you - meanwhile feel free to continue.

[Doom Legions]

Who are all these new people though? I don't recognize them. Where'd they come from? And why didn't they check in here first?

[Cardulan]

I try to sort these things out discreetly.

[Opplandia]

I would like to remind everybody of the rules set up for this RP. Once you are in, you are in and no deliberate stalling of the RP and no OOC posts in the IC. And a big hello to Slakonian! Welcome to the party.

I hope that all those who have joined the RP recently have read and understood those rules. Not only the one about nukes being allowed in this RP.

To clarify things: No, this RP is not on hold. You can continue to post. Caracasus has said everything about tactics and politics that needed to be said. The RP is official canon of my nation and of all those involved in it. The conflict will continue till it is solved IC. No worries about that. We will sort things out for you - meanwhile feel free to continue.

If you allow, a few points were actually missing from the beginning like that this is about realism instead of 'NS-realism' or that itd be advised to use the real worldmap for it. Clearly something like this needs to be states before things go down actually.

[Tekeristan]

I said I was done and I'm standing beside that.

[Opplandia]

I said I was done and I'm standing beside that.

do as you wish, we´ll go on.

[Tekeristan]

I said I was done and I'm standing beside that.

do as you wish, we´ll go on.

As curious as I am to see how that'd work, I request that you don't continue using my nation as I withdraw my permission.

[Opplandia]

*shrugs* yet the rules say youre in til the end so, not my prob. could all have been avoided before things started going unfavorable.

[Tekeristan]

*shrugs* yet the rules say you're in til the end so, not my prob. could all have been avoided before things started going unfavorable.

It is more than that. Telegrams are preferable.
If I must break the rule, then such is done.

[Flauc]

Tekeristan, those "muslim discrimination etc" things are most likely propaganda, not real events.

Opplandia, stop being highly provocative and speak in a more lighter mood.. to me it just looks like you are being rude to Tekeristan.

What if I decided to invade you with SACTO (hypothetically), you wouldn't be very happy since your nation is on the stakes and you are outnumbered?

What I mean is that you should look at this from Tekeristan's viewpoint and should converse more calmly with understanding.

[Opplandia]

Tekeristan, those "muslim discrimination etc" things are most likely propaganda, not real events.

Opplandia, stop being highly provocative and speak in a more lighter mood.. to me it just looks like you are being rude to Tekeristan.

What if I decided to invade you with SACTO (hypothetically), you wouldn't be very happy since your nation is on the stakes and you are outnumbered?

What I mean is that you should look at this from Tekeristan's viewpoint and should converse more calmly with understanding.

Take a look back at SKMP and you´ll see my rude side, this is all rather civil compared to that. As for the outnumbring forces, that is pretty much his own fault for attacking the centerpiece of a big, multinational alliance. He had it coming from the very beginning.

[Caracasus]

Well, this is a massive shit-show and no mistake.

Put some context into Caracasus's motivations anyway. Yeah, we're space bound folks. Blame it on the complete lack of regulation around recreational drugs.

[Opplandia]

Well, this is a massive shit-show and no mistake.

Put some context into Caracasus's motivations anyway. Yeah, we're space bound folks. Blame it on the complete lack of regulation around recreational drugs.

pot-heads in space? sounds fun, bro.

[Caracasus]

Well, this is a massive shit-show and no mistake.

Put some context into Caracasus's motivations anyway. Yeah, we're space bound folks. Blame it on the complete lack of regulation around recreational drugs.

pot-heads in space? sounds fun, bro.

I'm not sure that the various plants the Caracasusians use that were once cannabis before extensive genetic modification could still be considered pot... but yeah. Sort of. Taken a reasonable amount of influence for Caracasus from The Culture series. I wanted to place them on the brink, or horizon of massive social, cultural and technological changes to explore what they might become in future...

[Balagan]

What if I decided to invade you with SACTO (hypothetically), you wouldn't be very happy since your nation is on the stakes and you are outnumbered?

What I mean is that you should look at this from Tekeristan's viewpoint and should converse more calmly with understanding.

You are asking the wrong question. What you should ask Opplandia is how he would feel if he would first scare away all his allies and than declare war on SACTO.

[Opplandia]

What if I decided to invade you with SACTO (hypothetically), you wouldn't be very happy since your nation is on the stakes and you are outnumbered?

What I mean is that you should look at this from Tekeristan's viewpoint and should converse more calmly with understanding.

You are asking the wrong question. What you should ask Opplandia is how he would feel if he would first scare away all his allies and than declare war on SACTO.

That, my friend, is a stupidity which wouldnt cross my mind even if my military was larger and my roleplaying more refined. It would simple be a losing fight from the very beginning.

[Caracasus]

Given the Constantina reference I couldn't resist a bit of Cassablanca style stuff in there.

The Tusk militia are an established force of sorts. Paramilitary group with far-right nationalist leanings. Might add a bit of flavour to things and I guess I should provide an ORBAT of sorts for them, right?

Okay - here goes:

Tusk Militia:

Personnel: 5,750

Divisions 20 militia units ranging in numbers from 500 - 150

Armaments: Assault rifles, grenades, a few RPG's.

Vehicles: Approx. 250 civilian trucks, some cars as well. 25 modified pick-ups mounted with heavy machine guns.

EDIT: IT should probably also go without saying that both the quality of the weapons and the training varies considerably from militia unit to militia unit.

[Slakonian]

If this invasion is about Tekeristan, you know it's against the rules to invade him without his permission.

[Caracasus]

If this invasion is about Tekeristan, you know it's against the rules to invade him without his permission.

I'm still holding out hope for an 11th hour peace treaty...

But yes, I am still not sure how it will actually work

[Doom Legions]

If this invasion is about Tekeristan, you know it's against the rules to invade him without his permission.

I'm still holding out hope for an 11th hour peace treaty...

But yes, I am still not sure how it will actually work

Right now it just looks like the factions will just come together in Tekeristan and sing Cumbaja together or something. In other words this isn't really going anywhere right now.. :s