Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Northern Davincia]

^^^^this^^^^

It is impossible to promote equality while being complacent with human imperialism.

"Human imperialism".
This is a remarkably absurd phrase.

Indeed. People would have to justify their hatred instead of claiming it was ok because of their religion.

Yeah, how dare people judge you for your beliefs and your convictions? How dare someone hate muslims for believing in the most conservative, violent god and religion on earth! Such a travesty that they're discriminated for their discriminatory, hateful, dangerous beliefs. Sad!

I really hope religion dies off soon. It's a cancer that harms everyone with a triple digit IQ.

Nobody is perfect. Seriously though, people will always be nonsensically opposed to each other, with or without religion.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except it's a form of Caliphate which already did more crimes than it's predecessors.

Well the Abbasids and Umayyads have a higher body count by virtue of the fact that they were around a whole lot longer. Hard to compare them given the lack of good sources.

As someone whose religion was nearly wiped out by the Caliphates, the early Caliphates were relatively tolerant towards People of the Book, at least as tolerant as you can expect an overtly religiously exclusive political entity to be.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Well the Abbasids and Umayyads have a higher body count by virtue of the fact that they were around a whole lot longer. Hard to compare them given the lack of good sources.

As someone whose religion was nearly wiped out by the Caliphates, the early Caliphates were relatively tolerant towards People of the Book, at least as tolerant as you can expect an overtly religiously exclusive political entity to be.

Oh absolutely - the caliphates were pretty lenient at least compared to other states at the time. Certainly people like the Jews or the non-Chalcedonian Christians weren't complaining too much.

[Vegaslovakia]

It is impossible to promote equality while being complacent with human imperialism.

"Human imperialism".
This is a remarkably absurd phrase.

Typical. No-one cares.

[Nekotani]

I really hope religion dies off soon. It's a cancer that harms everyone with a triple digit IQ.

Really, because both me and UMN disagree. Neither of us feel harmed by our respective religions.

[Northern Davincia]

"Human imperialism".
This is a remarkably absurd phrase.

Typical. No-one cares.

You could have said human encroachment, and that would have been significantly better phrasing. Imperialism directly implicates military force.

[Catochristoferson]

^^^^this^^^^

It is impossible to promote equality while being complacent with human imperialism.

Animals aren't people. They're animals. Most of them don't behave like us humans.

Also, your a misanthropist. In what universe does "hating the human race" promote equality?

[Mattopilos II]

Typical. No-one cares.

You could have said human encroachment, and that would have been significantly better phrasing. Imperialism directly implicates military force.

Yeah, it basically is the removal of a culture to replace it with their own, to make use of their resources, and appropriate the host culture as they please. It isn't humanist, that is for sure.

[Mattopilos II]

In what way? Replacement of religion as the 'opiate of the people' I'm guessing?

If religion were to disappear, that would be the greatest tragedy in the history of humankind.

Strongly, strongly disagree, but I think we know why our views would be split here.

[Pasong Tirad]

I really hope religion dies off soon. It's a cancer that harms everyone with a triple digit IQ.

Really, because both me and UMN disagree. Neither of us feel harmed by our respective religions.

I do. And I consider myself religious (religious enough, at least). Most religious institutions just need an overhaul, in my opinion.

[The Liberated Territories]

don't care for religion obv

[Northern Davincia]

don't care for religion obv

I had always taken you for a Pastafarian.

[The Liberated Territories]

don't care for religion obv

I had always taken you for a Pastafarian.

pasta is love, pasta is life

[Conscentia]

I had always taken you for a Pastafarian.

pasta is love, pasta is life

Ramen to that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Really, because both me and UMN disagree. Neither of us feel harmed by our respective religions.

I do. And I consider myself religious (religious enough, at least). Most religious institutions just need an overhaul, in my opinion.

Why do they need an overhaul?

[Pasong Tirad]

I do. And I consider myself religious (religious enough, at least). Most religious institutions just need an overhaul, in my opinion.

Why do they need an overhaul?

The RCC (the only Church I know with enough knowledge to talk about) remains what I believe to be "stuck" in terms of wanting to stick too much to tradition. Francis was correct in that we must divert the driving force of Christianity from talks of homosexuality and abortion (although I understand that the RCC's stand on both issues has not changed and probably will never change) and must divert its resources in combating inequality throughout the world. As I've mentioned before, I'm a soft (I say soft because I don't claim to be an expert, nor have I read all relevant texts on the ideology) believer in Liberation Theology, which believes (in its simplest terms) that Christ came down to the world to rid the world of sin and uplift the plight of the poor, oppressed and marginalized peoples of the world.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why do they need an overhaul?

The RCC (the only Church I know with enough knowledge to talk about) remains what I believe to be "stuck" in terms of wanting to stick too much to tradition. Francis was correct in that we must divert the driving force of Christianity from talks of homosexuality and abortion (although I understand that the RCC's stand on both issues has not changed and probably will never change) and must divert its resources in combating inequality throughout the world. As I've mentioned before, I'm a soft (I say soft because I don't claim to be an expert, nor have I read all relevant texts on the ideology) believer in Liberation Theology, which believes (in its simplest terms) that Christ came down to the world to rid the world of sin and uplift the plight of the poor, oppressed and marginalized peoples of the world.

Why is it wrong that an organization that exists primarily through tradition wants to stick with tradition? Why shouldn't the RCC (or any other Church) talk about abortion, when they (and we) believe that it is murder?

[Pasong Tirad]

The RCC (the only Church I know with enough knowledge to talk about) remains what I believe to be "stuck" in terms of wanting to stick too much to tradition. Francis was correct in that we must divert the driving force of Christianity from talks of homosexuality and abortion (although I understand that the RCC's stand on both issues has not changed and probably will never change) and must divert its resources in combating inequality throughout the world. As I've mentioned before, I'm a soft (I say soft because I don't claim to be an expert, nor have I read all relevant texts on the ideology) believer in Liberation Theology, which believes (in its simplest terms) that Christ came down to the world to rid the world of sin and uplift the plight of the poor, oppressed and marginalized peoples of the world.

Why is it wrong that an organization that exists primarily through tradition wants to stick with tradition? Why shouldn't the RCC (or any other Church) talk about abortion, when they (and we) believe that it is murder?

I never claimed they shouldn't take stands on what they believe. I just believe that they should (and it sounds like they are) talking about more important issues, such as (as I've said) inequality.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Why is it wrong that an organization that exists primarily through tradition wants to stick with tradition? Why shouldn't the RCC (or any other Church) talk about abortion, when they (and we) believe that it is murder?

I never claimed they shouldn't take stands on what they believe. I just believe that they should (and it sounds like they are) talking about more important issues, such as (as I've said) inequality.

That people are regularly killed en-masse and nothing is done against it is less important than inequality?

[Pasong Tirad]

I never claimed they shouldn't take stands on what they believe. I just believe that they should (and it sounds like they are) talking about more important issues, such as (as I've said) inequality.

That people are regularly killed en-masse and nothing is done against it is less important than inequality?

You mean the fate of the unborn (a lot of whom won't really have better lives when they are born) are more important than the lifelong suffering experienced by billions of people worldwide who are constantly being oppressed by greed, corruption and systematic/institutionalized poverty?

[United Muscovite Nations]

That people are regularly killed en-masse and nothing is done against it is less important than inequality?

You mean the fate of the unborn (a lot of whom won't really have better lives when they are born) are more important than the lifelong suffering experienced by billions of people worldwide who are constantly being oppressed by greed, corruption and systematic/institutionalized poverty?

There have been more than one billion abortions, which, to us, is the murder of over one billion human beings. Yes, it is more important.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

You mean the fate of the unborn (a lot of whom won't really have better lives when they are born) are more important than the lifelong suffering experienced by billions of people worldwide who are constantly being oppressed by greed, corruption and systematic/institutionalized poverty?

There have been more than one billion abortions, which, to us, is the murder of over one billion human beings. Yes, it is more important.

A holocaust in the clinic is worth 60 in the bush.

[Pasong Tirad]

You mean the fate of the unborn (a lot of whom won't really have better lives when they are born) are more important than the lifelong suffering experienced by billions of people worldwide who are constantly being oppressed by greed, corruption and systematic/institutionalized poverty?

There have been more than one billion abortions, which, to us, is the murder of over one billion human beings. Yes, it is more important.

Well if we're going to boil it down to numbers, that's 1.2 - 1.3 billion people today who live in constant poverty, approx. 783 million people who don't have access to clean water, 300 million children who sleep hungry every night, 8000 children who die every day due to malnutrition, not to mention the fact that around 8 men own half the world's wealth. So yeah, I think solving the oppression of the poor, marginalized and oppressed is just as (if not more) important.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There have been more than one billion abortions, which, to us, is the murder of over one billion human beings. Yes, it is more important.

Well if we're going to boil it down to numbers, that's 1.2 - 1.3 billion people today who live in constant poverty, approx. 783 million people who don't have access to clean water, 300 million children who sleep hungry every night, 8000 children who die every day due to malnutrition, not to mention the fact that around 8 men own half the world's wealth. So yeah, I think solving the oppression of the poor, marginalized and oppressed is just as (if not more) important.

Even if they are just as important, then the Church should champion both causes, which it has. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches run some of the largest charities on Earth.

[Pasong Tirad]

Well if we're going to boil it down to numbers, that's 1.2 - 1.3 billion people today who live in constant poverty, approx. 783 million people who don't have access to clean water, 300 million children who sleep hungry every night, 8000 children who die every day due to malnutrition, not to mention the fact that around 8 men own half the world's wealth. So yeah, I think solving the oppression of the poor, marginalized and oppressed is just as (if not more) important.

Even if they are just as important, then the Church should champion both causes, which it has. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches run some of the largest charities on Earth.

And that is good. Because to live a Christian life is to be one with the plight of the poor. Christ came down from Heaven to lift up the poor, marginalized and oppressed from the institutional sins that continue to oppress them.