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by Verdon » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:10 am
by Polar Svalbard » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:09 pm
by Middle Han » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:21 pm
by Middle Han » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:41 pm
Verdon wrote:"To the contrary, Mehnard. It was expressed by Mr. Whitford as a percentage of total power production, and therefore I think that 15% would be ambitious, but achievable."
"Mr. Janhunen, I think we've discovered our framework:
- That nations currently void of alternative energy sources will work with the aid of the International Committee, whose funds will be collected proportionately from member nations as proposed by Mr. Maxwell, to achieve a gain of 5% total power production from alternative energy sources. Hopefully this assuages the worries of Mr. Dewar and suits the Wellsian people.
- That two other goal tiers of 10% and 15% shall be available for those nations ambitious and with ability to achieve those goals.
- That these goals will be achieved by 2033, exactly 15 years time. Hopefully Mr. Janhunen sees this as a more realistic time-frame.
- That the Verdonian phase-out schedule for ozone-depleting chemicals be adopted by all member nations, and that any current use of CFCs shall be ended within a year's time. There were no objections when I proposed it, so I assume that it was well recieved. "
by Verdon » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:40 pm
Middle Han wrote:"Excuse me for being rude Minister Severi Janhunen and Mr. Bernat de Aro , but how do we know if that nation is really void of alternative energy sources, I mean, what if the funds come to the wrong place? And there is one more thing we'd like to propose: to form an organization independent from all countries to research solutions for climate change and judge those countries who don't follow what they signed from this summit so that we can cut the funds"- Louis raised his hand while speaking in his microphone, Luckily i've done some research about some of these delegates.... The translators do their job, while both Louis and Nam listens carefully to their translation. Oh my... it would be a disaster if they translated that we want to wage a war...
by Conriston » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:46 pm
by Athara Magarat » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:42 pm
Verdon wrote:"To the contrary, Mehnard. It was expressed by Mr. Whitford as a percentage of total power production, and therefore I think that 15% would be ambitious, but achievable."
"Mr. Janhunen, I think we've discovered our framework:
- That nations currently void of alternative energy sources will work with the aid of the International Committee, whose funds will be collected proportionately from member nations as proposed by Mr. Maxwell, to achieve a gain of 5% total power production from alternative energy sources. Hopefully this assuages the worries of Mr. Dewar and suits the Wellsian people.
- That two other goal tiers of 10% and 15% shall be available for those nations ambitious and with ability to achieve those goals.
- That these goals will be achieved by 2033, exactly 15 years time. Hopefully Mr. Janhunen sees this as a more realistic time-frame.
- That the Verdonian phase-out schedule for ozone-depleting chemicals be adopted by all member nations, and that any current use of CFCs shall be ended within a year's time. There were no objections when I proposed it, so I assume that it was well recieved. "
by Middle Han » Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:23 pm
by Bhikkustan » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:33 am
by Middle Han » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:59 am
Bhikkustan wrote:"This latest proposal is more auspicious to us than the last few. We shall agree to follow these directives and the agreed changes shall be implemented after discussion at the next Plenum of the Worker's Party of Bhikkustan."
Ajahn Kusalo lit more incense and the three bhikkustani delegates bowed their heads and chanted almost silently in a homage blessing puja to the verdonian delegate .
by Wellsia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:15 pm
by Verdon » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:47 pm
Middle Han wrote:"Maybe i haven't made myself clear enough, about the funds of International Committe, the money will come from which nations? It will be great if you can list the names down so that we can further discuss. How much should we contribute? Should we provide them man-power to construct those facilities? And yes, it's hard to hide power-plants, but that's only when you do have one or more to hide. What i fear is that the funds we provided will be used totally unrelated to constructing "the alternative power facilities and their required infrastructure"! What if a nation- without any alternative energy sources and ofcourse, no power-plants- takes the funds and invests in its millitary instead? Won't it be hard to manage your money on foreign's soil? That's why i want to form an international organisation to oversee the funds and monthly inspect the contructing of those required facilities. But even then, that organisation may raises concerns such as interfering national souvereignty, national government's authority. And maybe i've missed some points for being unintentionally late, but i don't know how do you... define "alternative power facilities"? Which kind of infrastructure we are discussing about? "
by Middle Han » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:24 am
by Ainslie » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:42 am
Middle Han wrote:The Minister thought for a moment, then right at the time he was reaching to the microphone, his secretary came whispering something to him. He was frozen for a second, then he said:
“Thank you for your thoroughly explaination, we totally approve your proposal... Now please excuse me, i must go out for a second, the Deputy minister will act on our behalf”. With that, the Minister rushed his way out of the room.
The Deputy Minister closed his documents, pushed his chair back, drank haft the glass of water in front of him and started:
“First, i want you all to know that it’s my honour to attend this summit with all the delegates here, i’m the Deputy Minister of Resources and Environmental of the Middle Han Empire Nam Timberie Nguyen.
Now, We’ve all considered the proposals from Verdon’s delegate and URL’s delegate, but i believe there’s no harm for having more options. So these are the Middle Han’s solutions for limiting carbon emissions and encouraging the use of cleaner energy sources, i have the main points listed down in the papers here, please read it so that we can discuss further”.
Nam stopped for a moment while his secretaries bringing the papers to other delegates. Nam continued:
“The first point, all nations which agree to this proposal should have at least 5% of their land area for planting forest.
Second, nations will ban using and producing CFC’s, HCFC’s. It must be done as soon as possible, with the most delay is before January 2030.
Third, every nation will limit their activity of incineration. By 2020 it must be reduced by at least 15%, and by 2030 it must be stopped completely or reduced by 80% depend on each nation’s capability.
Forth, all member nations reduce at lease 15% of the usage of petrolium and gasoline for public transportation by using biofuels. We should all archive that goal before January 2033.
Fifth, form an international organisation by funding and sending scientists, staffs. The organisation’s purposes are: To supervise the process following the signed proposal of each nation; To educate and transfer the necessary technoly to produce biogas, biodiesel and biogasoline to nations need it; To help the local government find suitable waste disposal methods and improve waste management through cooperating with local organisations ”.
“Those are our ideas for improving the climate, we have come up with this proposal after months of preparation, consideration and calculation. But of course, those solutions are suitable and reasonable, archivable under Middle Han Empire’s condition. Although we have tried to put ourselves in other nations’ condition and situation, we can never fully cover all the challenges and dificulties of each nation. So please discuss and compromise as much as your ability allows you to, for the sake of our climate”.
“Also, these are some points we’d like to add after hearing the proposals and opinions of other nations: The limitation of activities of fishing in deepwater and far-of-seashore; The melting glaciers should be considered as a threat to the Isles nations in general and nations with disadvantage terrain in particular. And with us agreeing the proposal of Verdon’s delegate, our fifth point is quite the same as yours...”
“Last but not least, i recommend that we held the Climate Summit every six months or a year and if the fifth point in Middle Han Empire’s proposal was accepted, we will judge and oversee all the activities related to the accepted proposal of each nation through the reports of that international organisation”.
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by Middle Han » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:21 am
Ainslie wrote:
Whitford opens his eyes a bit, stunned by this statement. He looks back at his FedCors and talks to them a bit.
"Alright, my superior, Ms Gifford, has contacted me in regards to the statements made by the Delegate from Middle Han. Firstly, we find your 5% land area for forest as an act which denies national sovereignty. We agree that it is a good idea, with good intentions, but is not right in its intention to possibly create economic harm to nations which have not reached this. May I point out that the delegate from Verdon has already suggested, but not disclosed the full schedule for a phaseout of HFCs, CFCs and HCFCs. Thirdly, we do not agree with phasing out Petroleum as a result of this summit. This would widen the scope of a summit and prolong the time of negotiations. We also agree with your idea to implement a group of scientists and workers but not your motto for it. Also, we do not believe that this is the environment to talk about Deepwater and Out-Of-EEZ Fishing, which is what we believe you were proposing. Lastly, we suggest for the scientific committee to be integrated into the funding committee. This would lead to a new authority called TWICRC (The Western Isles Climate Response Council)."
He looks back at one of his Federal Corporals and one of them makes a hand action which looks like an explosion.
"Oh, thanks for the reminder", he responds to him.
"We also object to the idea of limiting incineration done by nations. We see this as a breach of sovereignty and an issue that we should not be currently, if at all discussed at this summit. That is all for now."
by Verdon » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:52 am
Middle Han wrote:"About the forest area...
"Second, because our proposal was made before we attended this meeting, so of course there're points have been mentioned by other delegates. But, I assume no other nations disagree with the banning of HFC's, CFC's, HCFC's...
"And... about Petrolium...
"The last problem is the "limiting incineration"...
by Corindia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:19 am
Of the People, For the People
by Ainslie » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:13 pm
Middle Han wrote:Ainslie wrote:
Whitford opens his eyes a bit, stunned by this statement. He looks back at his FedCors and talks to them a bit.
"Alright, my superior, Ms Gifford, has contacted me in regards to the statements made by the Delegate from Middle Han. Firstly, we find your 5% land area for forest as an act which denies national sovereignty. We agree that it is a good idea, with good intentions, but is not right in its intention to possibly create economic harm to nations which have not reached this. May I point out that the delegate from Verdon has already suggested, but not disclosed the full schedule for a phaseout of HFCs, CFCs and HCFCs. Thirdly, we do not agree with phasing out Petroleum as a result of this summit. This would widen the scope of a summit and prolong the time of negotiations. We also agree with your idea to implement a group of scientists and workers but not your motto for it. Also, we do not believe that this is the environment to talk about Deepwater and Out-Of-EEZ Fishing, which is what we believe you were proposing. Lastly, we suggest for the scientific committee to be integrated into the funding committee. This would lead to a new authority called TWICRC (The Western Isles Climate Response Council)."
He looks back at one of his Federal Corporals and one of them makes a hand action which looks like an explosion.
"Oh, thanks for the reminder", he responds to him.
"We also object to the idea of limiting incineration done by nations. We see this as a breach of sovereignty and an issue that we should not be currently, if at all discussed at this summit. That is all for now."
The Deputy Minister was wondering what could possibly make his superior- the Minister, rushing out of the meeting in such important moments like this. He remembered the glass of water he just taken, it couldn't be. I drank it, not him though... Whatever, dealing with foreign delegates isn't my forte.
He stood up and started: "Well, to all the honourable Delegates here, I offer my deepest and most sincerely apology if we've somehow insulted your nation sovereignty. To us... no, to everyone in this room, the nation sovereignty is priceless, sacred and even Holy. So we have no intention to threaten that of yours".
"However, as i've stated, those points are designed by Middle Hanians, and they're appropriate to us, but they can be inappropriate to other nations. That's why we want to discuss and sort out the best solutions... we suggest other nations do the same as well, we should all offer what we want and capable of to archive a common agreement from this summit".
"About the forest area, is there any other chance you can discuss about it? Now, we do not state clearly about the function of that forest, it can either be conservative forest, protective forest or even productive forest... Each nation can manage their own forest and decide its type. For nations who don't want to be economically harmed, they may plant productive forests and harvest products! There are many advantages it has: provide material for wooden furniture and crafted products... For nations facing the risk of rising sea level, protective forest may be the most long-lasted and manageable solution,... so please meet us halfway, we're willing to cut down the needed area to only 3% for nations whose economy's unstable".
"Second, because our proposal was made before we attended this meeting, so of course there're points have been mentioned by other delegates. But, I assume no other nations disagree with the banning of HFC's, CFC's, HCFC's ? Of course, it's a big issue so we shouldn't rush our decisions. At least, we have the same opinion about banning CFC's and HCFC's. The ideally phaseout of each nation is varied, why don't we all share it here?".
"And... about Petrolium... you know that it can be replaced by alternative energy sources, biofuels right? The only problem of using biofuels is that the vehicles need suitable motors. The technology of producing biofuels and creating those motors can be transfered from nation to nation by the scientists of... Ah, yeah... "The Western Isles Climate Response Council"- which I may add, I like its name, personally... Besides, we do not seek to completely ban the usage of Petrolium. We stated "reduce at lease 15% of the usage of petrolium and gasoline for public transportation by using biofuels". 15% of both "petrolium and gasoline" means that you can reduce "0.001% of Petrolium and 14.999% of gasoline". And it only applies to "public transportation", including city buses, trolleybuses, trams (or light rail) and passenger trains, rapid transit (metro/subways/undergrounds etc) and ferries,...".
"The next issue is the motto of the scientific committee. We don't really care that much about its motto as long as it's accepted to be founded and maintained. But if it's possible, may I know your idea about its motto?".
"The last problem is the "limiting incineration". We will gladly cross it out of our proposal if only you compromise with our first point or fourth point. Please, Mr.Whitford! Reconsider it, and try to convince your superior. You know that incineraton produces more than enough Carbon dioxide and other toxic gases to destroy our Ozone layer. We can't ignore the problem just because it hasn't exploded yet! Now, may I suggest..."
The Deputy Minister stopped as the Minister, who came in without his notice, whispered something into his ear. He was literally paused for a full minute. Then, he suddenly snapped and slowly sunk down to his chair as the Minister Louis took the microphone and continued:
"I'm back. Sorry for interupting, but I believe my colleague has presented perfectly our ideas. I just want to add some few more words. Sometime, a man must do more than his position allows to overcome the toughest situation and he should seek the best for not only his nation, but the Isles as well".
Louis stopped and was ready to sit down, but then he said:
"This isn't related to our discussion. But may I ask something, the security here is very... good, right? No offense! This is my first time abroad so of course I'm a little bit nervous... we are indeed well-protected, right?"
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Discord gdayer and weather alarm man from The Western Isles."Aprosia and Townside: hey, let's do history and culture, things that affect many aspects of our nations
ainslie: hehe alarm go brrrrr"
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- Torom, 2018
by Middle Han » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:53 pm
Verdon wrote:
"The problem with mandating forests is that not all nations should naturally have them. Growing and maintaining a forest where one should not exist, especially at such great area as is proposed, is nothing but a waste of water and damaging to existing habitats. You would not grow a forest on a plain for the same reason you would not grow bananas in Verdon: you could, but it is wasteful.
"The current phase out schedule, which was debated before you arrived, is as follows: 'A ban on the production, trade, and use of CFCs within one year of ratification. A ban on production, trade, and use of HCFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2020. A ban on all use of HCFCs, and production, trade, and use of HFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2025. A ban on all use and complete phased out of HFCs by 2030.' As far as I can tell, there were no objections to this schedule.
"While I agree with the sentiment of waning public transportation off of petroleum product, and think it would be worthwhile to implement, I will agree with Mr. Whitford: our resolution is starting to grow fat. Adding much more to it outside of it's current scope will result in messy legislation. The same point can be applied to the incineration measure.
"I'd also like to point out to all delegates that biofuels, regardless of generation, are still dependent on combustion of organic material, and thus, still produce carbon gases. They are a short-term solution, and we are of the opinion that they are not an energy source for the future."
Corindia wrote:"Once again, I see biofuels appearing in the discussion. Surely it would be better to forgo their use entirely, avoiding a costly infrastructure investment for a fuel that is creates significant environmental externalities both in its production and use? We might as well use Natural Gas if we're considering biofuels."
Ainslie wrote:
Whitford replies "We would like you to know that personally we do not feel that this is an attack on our own national sovereignty. However, we see how it could be for other nations. We are in support of petroleum being phased out, but we find that it isn't a beneficial time to bring that issue into the conversation. On the note of security, we believe Ipland has provided a satisfactory amount. Quite a few delegates have brought their own security with them, so you may be more vulnerable than others".
by Bhikkustan » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:58 pm
by Middle Han » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:34 pm
Bhikkustan wrote:"I agree that we cannot approach banning petroleum. Our allies Moukere are too poor. That is their only export, and they give it to us in return for aid in the form of doctors, infrastructure etc. Without oil they will be killed. Capitalist economics guarantees this. But this is not an ideological debate, but one of factual guarantee."
We stated "reduce at lease 15% of the usage of petrolium and gasoline for public transportation by using biofuels". 15% of both "petrolium and gasoline" means that you can reduce "0.001% of Petrolium and 14.999% of gasoline". And it only applies to "public transportation", including city buses, trolleybuses, trams (or light rail) and passenger trains, rapid transit (metro/subways/undergrounds etc) and ferries,...".
by Verdon » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:40 pm
Middle Han wrote:"We agreed with your first statement about forest. The southern part of Middle Han is suitable for growing forest while the northern part is'nt. However, the benefits forest brings to our climate are undeniable. You mentioned " not all nations should naturally have them", well, the dessert naturally doesn't have them. But it doesn't mean that we're not trying to plant forest there, right? After all, "...Desert greening can help solve global water, energy, and food crises...
"To the last issue, I find it hard to believe that up until now, all we've had for our resolution is nothing more than a phase out of CFC's, HCFC's and HFC's,... a foundation of TWICRC and that's all? Or maybe I've missed something?
"The short-term solution you may call it, but an archivable one in my opinion. While it's not "the future energy", it's what we can share in the meantime before pushing our climate to it's limit... But if I may, please tell me what kind of energy to you is considered as long-term and clean, fits the description of "future energy"? ".
-The establishment of The Western Isles Climate Response Council, whose funds will be collected proportionately from member nations at a rate of 0.25% of federal budget.
-These funds will be contributed toward some amount of research and aid for nations in alternative energy infrastructure projects as is seen fit and appropriate by the council members.
-Nations lacking in alternative energy plants can petition TWICRC for funding with the prerequisite of a fully actualized construction plan and timeline. If such a nation is granted funding, it will be expected to execute implementation of the plan as presented to the committee at the time of petition. If said nation fails to construct as planned or fails to implement the plan in time without reasonable cause, they will be found in a breach of contract, indicted, and cut from funding.
-Nations currently void of alternative energy sources will work with the aid of TWICRC to achieve a gain of 5% total power production from alternative energy sources
- Two other goal tiers of 10% and 15% shall be available for those nations ambitious and with ability to achieve those goals.
- These goals will be achieved by 2033, exactly 15 years time.
- nations committing to these goals will be represented in annex I, II, and III for 5%. 10%, and 15% goals respectively.
- the Verdonian phase-out schedule for ozone-depleting chemicals be adopted by all member nations: 'A ban on the production, trade, and use of CFCs within one year of ratification. A ban on production, trade, and use of HCFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2020. A ban on all use of HCFCs, and production, trade, and use of HFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2025. A ban on all use and complete phased out of HFCs by 2030.'
by Ainslie » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:50 pm
The Unified Electorates of Ainslie
Discord gdayer and weather alarm man from The Western Isles."Aprosia and Townside: hey, let's do history and culture, things that affect many aspects of our nations
ainslie: hehe alarm go brrrrr"
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by Middle Han » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:46 am
Ainslie wrote:Whitford looks back at the Delegate from Middle Han and explains, “It is extraordinary that we have spent so much time discussing these few topics. Further expanding discussion will only make the summit longer and more complicated. What Ainslie proposes is that we begin on the agreement, vote on the aforementioned agreed ideas and put them into practice. Only then we should discuss issues of lesser importance. On the note of the TWICRC, I believe that the majority of nations are in support of it”.
Verdon wrote:"Mr. Louis, you absolutely do not try to grow a forest in the desert. Deserts are deserts for a reason. To create a forest in the desert you would have to import suitable soil on trucks that burn gasoline. You would have to divert water from other sources - causing stress to aquifers - through pipe systems that require energy to work. At the same time, your trees will grow slowly because it is too dry; you are forcing them to survive in an unnatural climate. This also causes disruption of the desert ecosystem, decreasing the habitat of native creatures. When people talk about 'desert greening' they are referring to the reclamation of land that has been subject to desertification, not converting natural deserts...
...
"Mr. Louis, the energies of the future do not have immediate effects on global health. They produce little or no toxic byproduct, all of which can be safely managed, and they do not release harmful emissions into the air."
-The establishment of The Western Isles Climate Response Council, whose funds will be collected proportionately from member nations at a rate of 0.25% of federal budget.
-These funds will be contributed toward some amount of research and aid for nations in alternative energy infrastructure projects as is seen fit and appropriate by the council members.
-Nations lacking in alternative energy plants can petition TWICRC for funding with the prerequisite of a fully actualized construction plan and timeline. If such a nation is granted funding, it will be expected to execute implementation of the plan as presented to the committee at the time of petition. If said nation fails to construct as planned or fails to implement the plan in time without reasonable cause, they will be found in a breach of contract, indicted, and cut from funding.
-Nations currently void of alternative energy sources will work with the aid of TWICRC to achieve a gain of 5% total power production from alternative energy sources
- Two other goal tiers of 10% and 15% shall be available for those nations ambitious and with ability to achieve those goals.
- These goals will be achieved by 2033, exactly 15 years time.
- nations committing to these goals will be represented in annex I, II, and III for 5%. 10%, and 15% goals respectively.
- the Verdonian phase-out schedule for ozone-depleting chemicals be adopted by all member nations: 'A ban on the production, trade, and use of CFCs within one year of ratification. A ban on production, trade, and use of HCFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2020. A ban on all use of HCFCs, and production, trade, and use of HFCs, excepting cases of existing equipment needs by 2025. A ban on all use and complete phased out of HFCs by 2030.'
by Ainslie » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:59 am
The Unified Electorates of Ainslie
Discord gdayer and weather alarm man from The Western Isles."Aprosia and Townside: hey, let's do history and culture, things that affect many aspects of our nations
ainslie: hehe alarm go brrrrr"
- Aprosia, 2021
"Factbooks are never finished, as Ains would say"
- Torom, 2018
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