Cultural Appropriation Debate

[Great Minarchistan]

Recently, an attack perpetrated by black women against a white woman using a turban in Brazil revived the discussion of "cultural appropriation". Here are some links about the story:

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/teen-wi ... -a-turban/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/13523/bla ... nk-berrien
http://unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/b ... opriation/

Personally I heavily dislike the idea of "cultural appropriation". It's just another tool from SJWs to regain more popularity and cause upheaval.

And you, NSG community? What's your opinion on cultural appropriation?

[Neutraligon]

I would first like the term defined.

[Great Minarchistan]

I would first like the term defined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Basically this:

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture. Cultural appropriation may be perceived as controversial or harmful, notably when the cultural property of a minority group is used by members of the dominant culture without the consent of the members of the originating culture. This is seen as misappropriation and a violation of intellectual property rights.

[Neutraligon]

I would first like the term defined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Basically this:

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture. Cultural appropriation may be perceived as controversial or harmful, notably when the cultural property of a minority group is used by members of the dominant culture without the consent of the members of the originating culture. This is seen as misappropriation and a violation of intellectual property rights.

Cultures change and adapt over time tacking aspects from one culture and adding it to their own or mixing it in with their own. It's how we got things like the modern version of Christmas, or how religions or words spread. I do not have a problem with this.

[NewLakotah]

Cultural appropriation is a real thing. But, like most everything these days, is way overstated. Most acts that people call out are totally wrong in what cultural appropriation is.

I don't have a problem with people sharing their cultural with another. Everything nowadays is pretty much all appropriated from another culture, at some point and time. Why now this big issue? Because people just love to complain about someone else, instead of actually doing things themselves.

[Grinning Dragon]

I find the whole ranting and raving about it stupid, inane and could careless.

[NewLakotah]

I would first like the term defined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Basically this:

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of the elements of one culture by members of another culture. Cultural appropriation may be perceived as controversial or harmful, notably when the cultural property of a minority group is used by members of the dominant culture without the consent of the members of the originating culture. This is seen as misappropriation and a violation of intellectual property rights.

lol. The Europeans culturally appropriated all Native Lands. We demand it back! I'll begin packing their bags...

[Great Minarchistan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Basically this:

lol. The Europeans culturally appropriated all Native Lands. We demand it back! I'll begin packing their bags...

Yeah, the whole concept is flawed and backed with weak arguments.

[Hazestan]

I don't understand why people become triggered for adapting into other people's cultures.

I wouldn't get mad if an Egyptian wears wooden clogs. Man, I'd have a laugh with him. Only after I can wear some djallaba or some stuff.

People need to just take a chill pill in my opinion.

[Khalisako]

If it's a closed culture you're ripping off of than it's best to have ancestry/friends/permission from people in that cuture, so you don't endup looking like a clown that people laugh at and perhaps slap out in public. If the culture sees outsiders as a threat per some kinda genocide or whatever, it's highly unlikely the outsiders would even be able to hijack anything other than the common stereotype anyway, further making themselves target for clownery.

Otherwise, I don't really have a problem with what people do. Wanna learn spanish? Go for it.

[Maichuko]

Considering a lot of people throughout the Middle East Asia and Europe wear Turbans, that seems rather stupid to complain about a white Brazilian wearing one.

[Thecreamof]

Cultural identity & tradition is usually fine & good, but it seems SJWs are basically saying "You can only have X clothes/hairstyle/food/whatever if you're Y ethnicity/race/religion/group/culture/whatever."
No culture is truly isolated anymore, nor is any culture completely static. People exchange & change ideas, goods, beliefs, services, & whatever else all the time. As these are exchanged & changed, so are the cultures.
Personally, I think the whole thing is fairly ridiculous. From my personal experience & from what I've heard in general, people love teaching others about their culture & stuff. I've never seen anybody IRL get upset about white people wearing burkas or black people having Chinese character tattoos or whatever. It just seems like it's just another thing for SJWs to get upset about.
tl;dr: If cultural appropriation is a thing, it's prob. not as bad or harmful as SJWs try to make it seem.

[Lady Scylla]

Recently, an attack perpetrated by black women against a white woman using a turban in Brazil revived the discussion of "cultural appropriation". Here are some links about the story:

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/teen-wi ... -a-turban/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/13523/bla ... nk-berrien
http://unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/b ... opriation/

Personally I heavily dislike the idea of "cultural appropriation". It's just another tool from SJWs to regain more popularity and cause upheaval.

And you, NSG community? What's your opinion on cultural appropriation?

It's stupid, baseless, and a waste of time. Cultures mix and intermingle, the only time I'd have an issue with someone wearing something from another culture is if they were doing it with the intent on offending somebody. Beyond that, I really don't care.

[Union of Despotistan]

If we would be living in a strong world full of nation states rather than this globalist cesspool that actively tries to reduce cultural identity, I'm fairly sure we would be respecting cultures, especially our won, way more.

When you're proud of your heritage, you cherish it. You also waste less time trying to to copy other cultures, which reduces the risk of cultural appropriation due to ignorance.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's a load of bullshit peddled by the professionally offended.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

[NewLakotah]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

That's true, but if you think about it, everything has been culturally appropriated at some point, by some one, at some time. Especially nowadays, everything is so globalized in the world, that most things are from some other culture and they took it and used it in their own way.

[Neanderthaland]

And I for one am offended by all these Chinese Buddhists!

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

That's true, but if you think about it, everything has been culturally appropriated at some point, by some one, at some time.

So? Is that supposed to make it okay for us today?

Especially nowadays, everything is so globalized in the world, that most things are from some other culture and they took it and used it in their own way.

And if you do it respectfully there's no problem with that.

[Luziyca]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

This, basically.

[Aelex]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

>Tfw when kimonos are a jap' "cultural appropriation" of chinese dresses
>Tfw when jap' themselves feel no guilt ripping-off western culture because it is "cool" and "foreign" and no one gives a shit about it but we shouldn't be authorized to do the same because we're whites and not them

I mean, honestly, it sounds more like virtue signaling from your part than anything else. Just let us continue a centuries old tradition of stealing from each other's culture, everyone is happier this way.

[Luziyca]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

>Tfw when kimonos are a jap' "cultural appropriation" of chinese dresses
>Tfw when jap' themselves feel no guilt ripping-off western culture because it is "cool" and "foreign" and no one gives a shit about it but we shouldn't be authorized to do the same because we're whites and not them

I mean, honestly, it sounds more like virtue signaling from your part than anything else. Just let us continue a centuries old tradition of stealing from each other's culture, everyone is happier this way.

There's a difference between doing that out of respect and love for the culture, and stealing it just so you can make a few extra bucks on the side.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

>Tfw when kimonos are a jap' "cultural appropriation" of chinese dresses

'They did it too' has never been a good excuse.

>Tfw when jap' themselves feel no guilt ripping-off western culture because it is "cool" and "foreign" and no one gives a shit about it but we shouldn't be authorized to do the same because we're whites and not them

What exactly are they ripping off?

I mean, honestly, it sounds more like virtue signaling from your part than anything else. Just let us continue a centuries old tradition of stealing from each other's culture, everyone is happier this way.

Well evidently not, since there are lots of people who don't like it. If you're happier being blase about other cultures that your prerogative of course, just don't complain overmuch when people call you out on it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's a load of bullshit peddled by the professionally offended.

So much this.

[Ostroeuropa]

The issue with appropriation isn't that cultures adopt the practices of others - rather, it's when people selectively adopt practices without respect to the cultural milieu they're embedded in. Learning how to wear a kimono properly (for example) and about the different cuts and styles isn't appropriation because you're interfacing respectfully with the practice. Being a random clothing company and deciding to put out a bathrobe that looks like a kimono is appropriation because you're turning someone else's formalwear into a cheap mass produced knockoff that doesn't even attempt to be true to Japanese customs around kimono wear.

So what?