"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[New Larthinia]

Ok, now that I did actually read the law the entire debate is centered around, I don't really see anything wrong with it. That's some weird wording, but that doesn't change the intent of the law.

In law, wording is key.

Except this isn't a law, this is a statement regarding a possible law.

[Harkback Union]

I'm sure its a no-brainer. Just put the baby in a warm, cosy tank and link his blood network with that of his father through a glass tube. The father can carry the tank on his back. The only reason it wasn't done yet is lack of demand.

I'm no biologist, or engineer, but I suspect it is far more complicated than that or we'll have done it already.

I'm surprised we haven't done it already.

We can already keep people alive with artificial organs. Fetus are just little people.

[The of Japan]

The fetus is inside a woman's body, not her body

[Alvecia]

I'm no biologist, or engineer, but I suspect it is far more complicated than that or we'll have done it already.

I'm surprised we haven't done it already.

We can already keep people alive with artificial organs. Fetus are just little people.

Little growing people. I'm not saying it's impossible with what we have now. Just that it's probably faaaar more complicated than you're making it out to be.

[Ashmoria]

The fetus is inside a woman's body, not her body

aye

but her body is still HER body and she still has the right to control it.

[Ifreann]

We might need to invent artificial wombs and develop a transplant procedure first.

I'm sure its a no-brainer. Just put the baby in a warm, cosy tank and link his blood network with that of his father through a glass tube. The father can carry the tank on his back. The only reason it wasn't done yet is lack of demand.

That definitely sounds like something that no one has ever demanded.

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The fetus is inside a woman's body, not her body

And given that it is inside her body, she can remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.

[Alvecia]

In law, wording is key.

Except this isn't a law, this is a statement regarding a possible law.

Speaking of, I think I managed to find the actual proposed law.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION
1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 1
-
732.1 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:

A. No abortion shall be performed in this state without the
written informed consent of the father of the baby.

B. A pregnant woman seeking to abort her pregnancy shall be
required, at her expense, to provide in writing the identity of the
father of the baby to the physician who is to perform or induce the
abortion. If the person identified as the father of the baby
challenges the fact that he is the father, such individual, at his
expense, may demand that a paternity test be performed.

C. This section shall not apply if the father of the baby is
deceased and the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed or
induced signs a notarized affidavit attesting to that fact.

D. This section shall not apply in cases in which a woman upon
whom the abortion is to be performed or induced was the victim of
rape or incest, and the pregnancy resulted from the rape or incest,
or in cases where the physician determines that the carrying of the
baby places the woman's life in danger.

SECTION
2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2017

Edit: Wonder what should happen if the identity of the father is not know?

[Gravlen]

Ice cream is for cooling down, not for happiness. Anything other than cooling down is perverse, and an abomination. Also, you chose to have ice cream, you pay the consequences - no treatment for diabetus unless Wilford Brimley consents!

Come on...don't be a dick just because I have a completely different opinion than you. In fact I'm gonna apologize to you for sharing my opinion with you:
I'm sorry for offending you because I said what came to mind and didn't think before I acted.
There. Happy now?

Why do you think it's about you?

[Ashmoria]

Except this isn't a law, this is a statement regarding a possible law.

Speaking of, I think I managed to find the actual proposed law.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION
1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 1
-
732.1 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:

A. No abortion shall be performed in this state without the
written informed consent of the father of the baby.

B. A pregnant woman seeking to abort her pregnancy shall be
required, at her expense, to provide in writing the identity of the
father of the baby to the physician who is to perform or induce the
abortion. If the person identified as the father of the baby
challenges the fact that he is the father, such individual, at his
expense, may demand that a paternity test be performed.

C. This section shall not apply if the father of the baby is
deceased and the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed or
induced signs a notarized affidavit attesting to that fact.

D. This section shall not apply in cases in which a woman upon
whom the abortion is to be performed or induced was the victim of
rape or incest, and the pregnancy resulted from the rape or incest,
or in cases where the physician determines that the carrying of the
baby places the woman's life in danger.

SECTION
2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2017

Edit: Wonder what should happen if the identity of the father is not know?

oh so all you have to do is get your best friend joey to come with you and say he is the father and that he is OK with it. it doesn't matter that joey is gay and has never had sex with a woman let alone with YOU because there is no check involved to make sure of the identity of the father.

what could possibly go wrong?

[New Larthinia]

I'm sure its a no-brainer. Just put the baby in a warm, cosy tank and link his blood network with that of his father through a glass tube. The father can carry the tank on his back. The only reason it wasn't done yet is lack of demand.

That definitely sounds like something that no one has ever demanded.

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The fetus is inside a woman's body, not her body

And given that it is inside her body, she can remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.

It's not that simple. The fetus is not a random parasitic being, it's a human in the very early stages of development.

[Ifreann]

Except this isn't a law, this is a statement regarding a possible law.

Speaking of, I think I managed to find the actual proposed law.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION
1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 1
-
732.1 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:

A. No abortion shall be performed in this state without the
written informed consent of the father of the baby.

B. A pregnant woman seeking to abort her pregnancy shall be
required, at her expense, to provide in writing the identity of the
father of the baby to the physician who is to perform or induce the
abortion. If the person identified as the father of the baby
challenges the fact that he is the father, such individual, at his
expense, may demand that a paternity test be performed.

C. This section shall not apply if the father of the baby is
deceased and the woman upon whom the abortion is to be performed or
induced signs a notarized affidavit attesting to that fact.

D. This section shall not apply in cases in which a woman upon
whom the abortion is to be performed or induced was the victim of
rape or incest, and the pregnancy resulted from the rape or incest,
or in cases where the physician determines that the carrying of the
baby places the woman's life in danger.

SECTION
2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2017

Edit: Wonder what should happen if the identity of the father is not know?

Since there doesn't seem to be any provision for confirming paternity unless the named father disputes it, a woman seeking an abortion could ask any guy friend to pretend to be the father.

Hey, and if the named father disputes paternity, he has to shell out for the paternity test. Maybe women who don't really want an abortion should go try and get one in Oklahoma and name Donald Trump as the father. For the lulz.

[Harkback Union]

I'm sure its a no-brainer. Just put the baby in a warm, cosy tank and link his blood network with that of his father through a glass tube. The father can carry the tank on his back. The only reason it wasn't done yet is lack of demand.

That definitely sounds like something that no one has ever demanded.

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The fetus is inside a woman's body, not her body

And given that it is inside her body, she can remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.

The Fetus is a parasite man infect woman with for pleasure. It leeches off the host's Oxygen and nutrients for months before finally hatching, causing the host insufferable amounts of pain in the process. Once born, it continues its parasitic behavior for many years to come. Who wouldn't want them removed?

[Alvecia]

Speaking of, I think I managed to find the actual proposed law.

Edit: Wonder what should happen if the identity of the father is not know?

oh so all you have to do is get your best friend joey to come with you and say he is the father and that he is OK with it. it doesn't matter that joey is gay and has never had sex with a woman let alone with YOU because there is no check involved to make sure of the identity of the father.

what could possibly go wrong?

I smell a business opportunity.
"For only $5 I will write and sign a note declaring I am the father of your child and consent to an abortion"

[New Larthinia]

EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What if a woman is kidnapped and raped and eventually escaped, but she needed the person who kidnapped her's permission to get an abortion after getting pregnant! That is sick and disgusting! Because it says the FATHER has to approve! Not husband, but FATHER A.K.A. the RAPIST!
She didn't choose to have sex and carry a baby, but if that law gets passed, she will have to give birth to the child of a kidnapper and rapist!

It is stated that the law doesn't apply to rape and incest

[New Larthinia]

That definitely sounds like something that no one has ever demanded.

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And given that it is inside her body, she can remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.

The Fetus is a parasite man infect woman with for pleasure. It leeches off the host's Oxygen and nutrients for months before finally hatching, causing the host insufferable amounts of pain in the process. Once born, it continues its parasitic behavior for many years to come. Who wouldn't want them removed?

Except you failed to mention that the fetus is the same species as the mother

[Sotral]

It's not that simple. The fetus is not a random parasitic being, it's a human in the very early stages of development.

A human in later stages of development has no right to use anyone's body, and so fetuses don't either.

If we could jam adults into uteri as the only way to save their lives, the uterus bearer would still have the right to refuse to let anyone do it.

[Ashmoria]

oh so all you have to do is get your best friend joey to come with you and say he is the father and that he is OK with it. it doesn't matter that joey is gay and has never had sex with a woman let alone with YOU because there is no check involved to make sure of the identity of the father.

what could possibly go wrong?

I smell a business opportunity.
"For only $5 I will write and sign a note declaring I am the father of your child and consent to an abortion"

so as you are the declared father of dozens of aborted embryo/fetuses are you "the man" "the hound dog" "the modern day don juan" or are you the pathetic creep who can only date sluts?

in any case its a whole new career path.

[Harkback Union]

The Fetus is a parasite man infect woman with for pleasure. It leeches off the host's Oxygen and nutrients for months before finally hatching, causing the host insufferable amounts of pain in the process. Once born, it continues its parasitic behavior for many years to come. Who wouldn't want them removed?

Except you failed to mention that the fetus is the same species as the mother

And so? It is still a parasite. Just because the parasite is feeding off from another parasite doesn't really make a difference.

[Alvecia]

I smell a business opportunity.
"For only $5 I will write and sign a note declaring I am the father of your child and consent to an abortion"

so as you are the declared father of dozens of aborted embryo/fetuses are you "the man" "the hound dog" "the modern day don juan" or are you the pathetic creep who can only date sluts?

in any case its a whole new career path.

Thinking about it, could the women themselves not just write notes declaring they are the father, and just sign it like Joseph instead of Josephine

[New Larthinia]

Except you failed to mention that the fetus is the same species as the mother

And so? It is still a parasite. Just because the parasite is feeding off from another parasite doesn't really make a difference.

You're a parasite too

[Alvecia]

And so? It is still a parasite. Just because the parasite is feeding off from another parasite doesn't really make a difference.

You're a parasite too

They live in another organism? How do they internet?

[New Larthinia]

You're a parasite too

They live in another organism? How do they internet?

I mean, he did refer to the human species as parasites.

[Ifreann]

That definitely sounds like something that no one has ever demanded.

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And given that it is inside her body, she can remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.

It's not that simple. The fetus is not a random parasitic being, it's a human in the very early stages of development.

It is exactly that simple. No human at any other stage of development gets to inhabit another person's body without their permission. If the unborn have equal rights to everyone else, then the same is true for them. They can no more live inside a woman without her permission than you or I could, if that were physically possible.

Or are you proposing that foetuses should have special rights beyond those of any born human, superordinate to the rights of women?

[Ifreann]

You're a parasite too

They live in another organism? How do they internet?

Wifi.

[New Larthinia]

It's not that simple. The fetus is not a random parasitic being, it's a human in the very early stages of development.

It is exactly that simple. No human at any other stage of development gets to inhabit another person's body without their permission. If the unborn have equal rights to everyone else, then the same is true for them. They can no more live inside a woman without her permission than you or I could, if that were physically possible.

Or are you proposing that foetuses should have special rights beyond those of any born human, superordinate to the rights of women?

But the fetus was procreated by a man too, and he should have a say in whether the fetus gets to live or not