Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Kubumba Tribe]

Should you have forgotten that hadith, I will remind you.
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”

There are sides everywhere, especially in Islam. Either you choose the right path or the path of the deviant eclectic sectarians, or the goddamn "moderates". Tertium non datur.

I know it is looked down upon to quote DEATed/banned nations, but to make my point:

A sect is something different from a 'side'- being on a 'side' implies that you are automatically divided from those on the other side, which is clearly forbidden in the Quran

There the same thing.
Btw, got school tomorrow, so g'night.

[Gondolaulus]

And that was the moment I realized Ghuraba was just made a slave for Sheykhs.

Good for you

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

And that was the moment I realized Ghuraba was just made a slave for Sheykhs.

Good for you

Do you feel better about yourself?

[Gondolaulus]

And that was the moment I realized Ghuraba was just made a slave for Sheykhs.

Good for you

Do you feel better about yourself?

I feel good, yes.

[Ereria]

I don't understand why you mix in Mustafa Kemal Atatürk into this.

I'm saying you are not following the Ijma but rather you follow people like him, don't call yourself a Quranist there is only Islam not all this other stuff.

You live in a delusional world bro

[United Territories and States]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

That was the worst thing that ever happened to Iran.

[Behran]

Happy anniversary of the Islamic Revolution! Where the people of Iran overthrow the U.S. puppet dictator known as the Shah, and established the Islamic Republic. Where the Iranian people achieved Islam and democracy.

That was the worst thing that ever happened to Iran.

The Iranian people seem to disagree with you there.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

That was the worst thing that ever happened to Iran.

The Iranian people seem to disagree with you there.

Cares given what the opinions of Shias is?
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[Behran]

The Iranian people seem to disagree with you there.

Cares given what the opinions of Shias is?
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Like I'm going to care for the opinion of a Takfiri.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Cares given what the opinions of Shias is?
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Like I'm going to care for the opinion of a Takfiri.

If the love of Tawheed makes me a Takfiri then yes I am a Takfiri I am proudly a Takfiri, I will protect and defend the honor of Islam from the Murtadeen, Munafiqeen, Sahwat, Fasiqyoun, and all those who have left Islam and defame it. The Quran and Sunnah is clearer than water I don't need some random Shia telling me I am some dog from Hell to boost my self esteem.

[Behran]

Like I'm going to care for the opinion of a Takfiri.

If the love of Tawheed makes me a Takfiri then yes I am a Takfiri I am proudly a Takfiri, I will protect and defend the honor of Islam from the Murtadeen, Munafiqeen, Sahwat, Fasiqyoun, and all those who have left Islam and defame it. The Quran and Sunnah is clearer than water I don't need some random Shia telling me I am some dog from Hell to boost my self esteem.

Celebrating the deaths innocent civilians because they are Kufr, burning down churches because they did not pay Jizya, ruining greater jihad which is an internal struggle with one's self, crucifying children for not practicing Ramadan. If this makes you proud then why do you call your self a Muslim? Where does it say in the holy Quran to murder innocents?

[Alsheb]

Being a Quranist is the right way of being a muslim. The Quran is the only book we muslims should follow and we should be inspired by hadiths that were written by our prophets closest family and friends, but they shouldn't be seen as holy books. The only holy book is the Quran and it's the only book that is the word of god. Every other book in this world is written by humans and they can make mistakes, the Quran cannot.

Yet the Quran says obey Allah and his messenger how do you want to obey the messenger if you deny his sayings.

We do not deny his sayings. We deny thenl trustworthiness of that which you say are his sayings. There is no reason to believe, in the case of many hadiths, that tbe Prophet actually said these things. The Hadith have been compiled and written down by humans
Fallible, subjective humans.

It is not the word of Allah, it is not divinely inspired. And it us not even fully reliable. How do you justify the fact that thousands of sayings of the Prophet as narrated by Aisha werr completely disregarded and not even included in the compilation?

Your insistence on adding more to the Word of God makes you very similar to what the Catholics did: just adding and omitting as it seemed useful to them, without regard for the original word.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

If the love of Tawheed makes me a Takfiri then yes I am a Takfiri I am proudly a Takfiri, I will protect and defend the honor of Islam from the Murtadeen, Munafiqeen, Sahwat, Fasiqyoun, and all those who have left Islam and defame it. The Quran and Sunnah is clearer than water I don't need some random Shia telling me I am some dog from Hell to boost my self esteem.

Celebrating the deaths innocent civilians because they are Kufr, burning down churches because they did not pay Jizya, ruining greater jihad which is an internal struggle with one's self, crucifying children for not practicing Ramadan. If this makes you proud then why do you call your self a Muslim? Where does it say in the holy Quran to murder innocents?

'Innocent' breaking a law removes one's innocence, the Quran is our constitution not man made laws. When the Quran says do something you do it and when you don't there is a consequence this is how every society on Earth functions. Islam is timeless understand this there is no Democracy there is no Khomeneism there is no Radical Islam or Moderate Islam or variation in Shariah there is Islam only and there is only one Shariah even Christians who've read the Quran would know this.

[Alsheb]

The Iranian people seem to disagree with you there.

Cares given what the opinions of Shias is?
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Kudos to being the Sunni version of Le Pen.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Yet the Quran says obey Allah and his messenger how do you want to obey the messenger if you deny his sayings.

We do not deny his sayings. We deny thenl trustworthiness of that which you say are his sayings. There is no reason to believe, in the case of many hadiths, that tbe Prophet actually said these things. The Hadith have been compiled and written down by humans
Fallible, subjective humans.

It is not the word of Allah, it is not divinely inspired. And it us not even fully reliable. How do you justify the fact that thousands of sayings of the Prophet as narrated by Aisha werr completely disregarded and not even included in the compilation?

Your insistence on adding more to the Word of God makes you very similar to what the Catholics did: just adding and omitting as it seemed useful to them, without regard for the original word.

Doesn't matter how similar or far we are this is the Sunnah.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Cares given what the opinions of Shias is?
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Kudos to being the Sunni version of Le Pen.

Yet again I don't care, it's irrelevant.

[Behran]

Celebrating the deaths innocent civilians because they are Kufr, burning down churches because they did not pay Jizya, ruining greater jihad which is an internal struggle with one's self, crucifying children for not practicing Ramadan. If this makes you proud then why do you call your self a Muslim? Where does it say in the holy Quran to murder innocents?

'Innocent' breaking a law removes one's innocence, the Quran is our constitution not man made laws. When the Quran says do something you do it and when you don't there is a consequence this is how every society on Earth functions. Islam is timeless understand this there is no Democracy there is no Khomeneism there is no Radical Islam or Moderate Islam or variation in Shariah there is Islam only and there is only one Shariah even Christians who've read the Quran would know this.

What about the people in the twin towers? What crimes did they commit?

[Alsheb]

'Innocent' breaking a law removes one's innocence, the Quran is our constitution not man made laws. When the Quran says do something you do it and when you don't there is a consequence this is how every society on Earth functions. Islam is timeless understand this there is no Democracy there is no Khomeneism there is no Radical Islam or Moderate Islam or variation in Shariah there is Islam only and there is only one Shariah even Christians who've read the Quran would know this.

What about the people in the twin towers? What crimes did they commit?

Or for that matter, the people blown up by takfiri terrorists in Lahore yesterday? They were Muslims, chemists and pharmacists on a rally protesting a new regional law. And the Jamaat-um-Ahrar terrorists simply massacred them for no reason.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Celebrating the deaths innocent civilians because they are Kufr, burning down churches because they did not pay Jizya, ruining greater jihad which is an internal struggle with one's self, crucifying children for not practicing Ramadan. If this makes you proud then why do you call your self a Muslim? Where does it say in the holy Quran to murder innocents?

'Innocent' breaking a law removes one's innocence, the Quran is our constitution not man made laws. When the Quran says do something you do it and when you don't there is a consequence this is how every society on Earth functions. Islam is timeless understand this there is no Democracy there is no Khomeneism there is no Radical Islam or Moderate Islam or variation in Shariah there is Islam only and there is only one Shariah even Christians who've read the Quran would know this.

Massacres isn't a consequence in Al-Islam.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

'Innocent' breaking a law removes one's innocence, the Quran is our constitution not man made laws. When the Quran says do something you do it and when you don't there is a consequence this is how every society on Earth functions. Islam is timeless understand this there is no Democracy there is no Khomeneism there is no Radical Islam or Moderate Islam or variation in Shariah there is Islam only and there is only one Shariah even Christians who've read the Quran would know this.

Massacres isn't a consequence in Al-Islam.

I don't see the word massacre a single time in my post.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Quran 7:85
To the Madyan people We sent Shu'aib, one of their own brethren: he said: "O my people! worship Allah. Ye have no other god but Him. Now hath come unto you a clear (Sign) from your Lord! Give just measure and weight, nor withhold from the people the things that are their due; and do no mischief on the earth after it has been set in order: that will be best for you, if ye have Faith.

This is obvious that Allah has sent us a single religion he has sent clear signs and he has sent this message to all nations and all tribes, last of all being Muhammad (SAAWS), anything else is mischief and as Muslims we should not take part in criminal things.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Massacres isn't a consequence in Al-Islam.

I don't see the word massacre a single time in my post.

True, but you didn't really respond to Behran's post about innocent death. I hope I've been misunderstanding your post, if so, my apologies.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I don't see the word massacre a single time in my post.

True, but you didn't really respond to Behran's post about innocent death. I hope I've been misunderstanding your post, if so, my apologies.

killing innocent people is not allowed in Islam, he seems to think that a Hezbollah fighter is a 'innocent' civilian or one of Bashar Al-Assad's spies is an 'innocent' civilian, he ignores the fact that in Aleppo people are slaughtered and raped daily and have conditions worse than that of Gaza or the West Bank while coming around saying he's against the Zionists and hates America and Israel, he also has no idea what Iran does to people in Baluchistan which is also worse than Palestine and also that since East Mosul was 'Liberated' the Militias behead innocent people who have nothing to do with ISIS but then comes around calling us 'Wahhabi Beheaders'. Then to put the icing on his cake he has to throw in some obnoxious thing about 9/11 so he can look like he's vanquishing the evil Wahhabi when this has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China, he probably would bring up the price of tea in China before he addresses the main point of this entire discussion which is that there are laws in the Quran along with punishment.

Every system on Earth has laws and punishment in America if you murder you can be executed, in North Korea if you don't bow to Kim you're executed, in Norway if you steal you go to jail, in Saudi Arabia if you commit adultery there is a penalty. Do you see a pattern? Every country on Earth has their own laws and they have their own origins and we are each entitled to support them unto ourselves as we are our own community.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

True, but you didn't really respond to Behran's post about innocent death. I hope I've been misunderstanding your post, if so, my apologies.

killing innocent people is not allowed in Islam, he seems to think that a Hezbollah fighter is a 'innocent' civilian or one of Bashar Al-Assad's spies is an 'innocent' civilian, he ignores the fact that in Aleppo people are slaughtered and raped daily and have conditions worse than that of Gaza or the West Bank while coming around saying he's against the Zionists and hates America and Israel, he also has no idea what Iran does to people in Baluchistan which is also worse than Palestine and also that since East Mosul was 'Liberated' the Militias behead innocent people who have nothing to do with ISIS but then comes around calling us 'Wahhabi Beheaders'. Then to put the icing on his cake he has to throw in some obnoxious thing about 9/11 so he can look like he's vanquishing the evil Wahhabi when this has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China, he probably would bring up the price of tea in China before he addresses the main point of this entire discussion which is that there are laws in the Quran along with punishment.

Every system on Earth has laws and punishment in America if you murder you can be executed, in North Korea if you don't bow to Kim you're executed, in Norway if you steal you go to jail, in Saudi Arabia if you commit adultery there is a penalty. Do you see a pattern? Every country on Earth has their own laws and they have their own origins and we are each entitled to support them unto ourselves as we are our own community.

When you talk about militas, you mean the Iraq gov?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

killing innocent people is not allowed in Islam, he seems to think that a Hezbollah fighter is a 'innocent' civilian or one of Bashar Al-Assad's spies is an 'innocent' civilian, he ignores the fact that in Aleppo people are slaughtered and raped daily and have conditions worse than that of Gaza or the West Bank while coming around saying he's against the Zionists and hates America and Israel, he also has no idea what Iran does to people in Baluchistan which is also worse than Palestine and also that since East Mosul was 'Liberated' the Militias behead innocent people who have nothing to do with ISIS but then comes around calling us 'Wahhabi Beheaders'. Then to put the icing on his cake he has to throw in some obnoxious thing about 9/11 so he can look like he's vanquishing the evil Wahhabi when this has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China, he probably would bring up the price of tea in China before he addresses the main point of this entire discussion which is that there are laws in the Quran along with punishment.

Every system on Earth has laws and punishment in America if you murder you can be executed, in North Korea if you don't bow to Kim you're executed, in Norway if you steal you go to jail, in Saudi Arabia if you commit adultery there is a penalty. Do you see a pattern? Every country on Earth has their own laws and they have their own origins and we are each entitled to support them unto ourselves as we are our own community.

When you talk about militas, you mean the Iraq gov?

Amnesty international
What the militias did in Fallujah
Here are warnings before the Mosul offensive
Iraqi army torturing children
Iran committing 'the worst crimes of the 21st century' in Aleppo
Aleppo is a slaughterhouse

Make with this what you will the facts are clear.