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Kitzerland
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Postby Kitzerland » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:05 pm

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Kanuadu wrote:Very much like you crave an authorship badge so much you are willing to spam the Security Council with liberation after pointless liberation? You are screaming on top of a soapbox about people laughing at your ridculous proposals, yet you are going to sit here and shit on other peoples proposals? There was once another plyer who did this quite routinely, and as I seem to recall he liked to defend Nazi's as well. We all know what happened to that player now don't we?

Don't know that person, who was it?

Ooh, I know this one... Hmm... I'm guess it's Chester. Do I win?
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Libertarain Republicans
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:07 pm

Kitzerland wrote:
Libertarain Republicans wrote:Don't know that person, who was it?

Ooh, I know this one... Hmm... I'm guess it's Chester. Do I win?

If that's who it is, then yes (The city of Chester in the east pacific?)

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Kitzerland
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Postby Kitzerland » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:15 pm

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Kitzerland wrote:Ooh, I know this one... Hmm... I'm guess it's Chester. Do I win?

If that's who it is, then yes (The city of Chester in the east pacific?)

Chester Pearson, a DOS player who started flaming so hard he ended up claiming he was a Canadian Mountie and threatened to arrest Max Barry.
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:22 pm

Kitzerland wrote:
Libertarain Republicans wrote:If that's who it is, then yes (The city of Chester in the east pacific?)

Chester Pearson, a DOS player who started flaming so hard he ended up claiming he was a Canadian Mountie and threatened to arrest Max Barry.

Lol that is super funny!!!! He got 4 GA resolutions, so that's a bit shocking

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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:45 pm

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Kitzerland wrote:Chester Pearson, a DOS player who started flaming so hard he ended up claiming he was a Canadian Mountie and threatened to arrest Max Barry.

Lol that is super funny!!!! He got 4 GA resolutions, so that's a bit shocking

It's not exactly funny if you knew him. His being DOS should be a pretty good indicator of how he interacted with his fellow players. (Spoiler alert: Not well)
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Libertarain Republicans
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:46 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Libertarain Republicans wrote:Lol that is super funny!!!! He got 4 GA resolutions, so that's a bit shocking

It's not exactly funny if you knew him. His being DOS should be a pretty good indicator of how he interacted with his fellow players. (Spoiler alert: Not well)

i'm gonna go ahead and delete all of that, I think I got a bit off topic...
EDIT: Never mind that, I can't do it...
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:37 am

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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Means sweet f.a. The true test of support is when it comes to vote. At the moment it's just hanging around in the queue and will continue to do so for a while yet. It's gathering approvals like a rotting corpse gathers flies.

I'm assuming that you and the badger will put 1000 votes against this proposal?

I am no longer TWP's WA Minister. But I do have the ears of both Badger and our new Minister of WA Affairs. And I will tell them that if they don't want other assorted body parts joining my ear collection, they will vote against. :)

Actually BBB only has about 520 endos, nowhere near 1,000.
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:49 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Libertarain Republicans wrote:I'm assuming that you and the badger will put 1000 votes against this proposal?

I am no longer TWP's WA Minister. But I do have the ears of both Badger and our new Minister of WA Affairs. And I will tell them that if they don't want other assorted body parts joining my ear collection, they will vote against. :)

Actually BBB only has about 520 endos, nowhere near 1,000.

I meant that you and him combined would put 100 votes up against.

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Goto Mototsugu
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Postby Goto Mototsugu » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:23 pm

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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I am no longer TWP's WA Minister. But I do have the ears of both Badger and our new Minister of WA Affairs. And I will tell them that if they don't want other assorted body parts joining my ear collection, they will vote against. :)

Actually BBB only has about 520 endos, nowhere near 1,000.

I meant that you and him combined would put 100 votes up against.

Only delegate votes are added up.

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States of Glory
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Postby States of Glory » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:01 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I am no longer TWP's WA Minister. But I do have the ears of both Badger and our new Minister of WA Affairs. And I will tell them that if they don't want other assorted body parts joining my ear collection, they will vote against. :)

I...think I get the hint. :blink:

If it's any consolation, this is far from the worst SC proposal of all time. It's decently written, but the target isn't really that deserving of a Condemnation.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:22 pm

States of Glory wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I am no longer TWP's WA Minister. But I do have the ears of both Badger and our new Minister of WA Affairs. And I will tell them that if they don't want other assorted body parts joining my ear collection, they will vote against. :)

I...think I get the hint. :blink:

If it's any consolation, this is far from the worst SC proposal of all time. It's decently written, but the target isn't really that deserving of a Condemnation.

Yeah, that's a fair enough comment. I don't think CE has written a particularly bad Condemnation, I just don't believe the target region have done enough to get the badge.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Libertarain Republicans
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:18 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
States of Glory wrote:I...think I get the hint. :blink:

If it's any consolation, this is far from the worst SC proposal of all time. It's decently written, but the target isn't really that deserving of a Condemnation.

Yeah, that's a fair enough comment. I don't think CE has written a particularly bad Condemnation, I just don't believe the target region have done enough to get the badge.

Do they want the badge or not? Everybody speculates about whether it's an honor for them to be condemned or not, but nobody talks about the people inside the region themself.

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The Atlae Isles
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:41 am

Libertarain Republicans wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Yeah, that's a fair enough comment. I don't think CE has written a particularly bad Condemnation, I just don't believe the target region have done enough to get the badge.

Do they want the badge or not? Everybody speculates about whether it's an honor for them to be condemned or not, but nobody talks about the people inside the region themself.


That's not how the SC works. You condemn regions for R/D, not for the people inside.
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Aimdar-Goomdar
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:43 pm

Can this be pulled out of queue, Canton Empire?

We shouldn't give a Condemnation to a region whose Founder wants for his region to get Condemned.

If you want to attack EROGC, just make the CAEROGC, or the Coalition Against the Elite Region of Global Command, and command it yourself. Giving the region a Condemnation only attracts attention to that region, increasing their publicity and recruitment numbers (as many nations would be happy to join an active, Condemned region).

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States of Glory
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Postby States of Glory » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:23 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Can this be pulled out of queue, Canton Empire?

We shouldn't give a Condemnation to a region whose Founder wants for his region to get Condemned.

If you want to attack EROGC, just make the CAEROGC, or the Coalition Against the Elite Region of Global Command, and command it yourself. Giving the region a Condemnation only attracts attention to that region, increasing their publicity and recruitment numbers (as many nations would be happy to join an active, Condemned region).

How does establishing a coalition against a particular region not give attention to said region?
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:38 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Libertarain Republicans wrote:Do they want the badge or not? Everybody speculates about whether it's an honor for them to be condemned or not, but nobody talks about the people inside the region themself.


That's not how the SC works. You condemn regions for R/D, not for the people inside.

My question is if the people inside want their region to have a "badge of honor (OTA this proposal)" or if they fully want to stop this proposal?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:52 am

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Tinhampton has approved this proposal. In addition, Delegate-Ambassador Smith (in lieu of any resolutions passed by The Other Chamber of the World Assembly, especially the one hundred and twenty-second one) has used his common sense to analyse this resolution. He has determined that Tinhampton - in their status as a World Assembly Delegate with 21 votes as of the time of writing - should vote FOR "Condemn Elite Region of Global Command". These were the reasons that D-A Smith gave:
As is clear from the resolution, the Elite Region is essentially a vehicle to promote hatred against Islam and Communism, having invaded various Islamist regions simply for proclaiming their opposition to fascism in the World Census Region Finder1. It is also worth noting that the Elite Region align themselves with two CAIN-proscribed regions whilst opposing the CAIN itself. Whilst I would argue that each of these organisations are as bad as each other, the Elite Region is clearly on a different plane to the others. I would like to emphasise the support of my resolution.
1: This was the best possible way that I could talk about the tag cloud IC.

Tinhampton is voting for this resolution, and also strongly urges other members of the Federation's Assembly of Nations to vote for it. However, this opinion is not binding, and Tinhampton cannot and will not throw you into the flames of the Rejected Realms for failing to vote the same way as them.
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Libertarain Republicans
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:33 am

So far, the delegate for TNP & TWP are against (which happen to be the biggest Pacific region combined with the smallest.) Aleisyr, delegate of TP, the second biggest region, has voted for. If Tsunamy votes for, we could have a very tight vote.
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Postby Furnifold » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:24 pm

Let's see if we can work through the argument at hand:

It seems that how to vote in this condemnation revolves around the question of, "Is passing this giving ERoGC a license and mouthpiece to continue acting the way it does, or will passing this condemnation be the beginning of the end?"

The question should also be, as a governing international body, should we condemn groups that promote silencing of nations or regions that are stated in ideology? That is, if a group is calling, from a purely ideological and non-strategic standpoint, to prevent people of a specific region from enjoying the privileges of the site in the manner these people want to want to, are we called to stop this from happening?

If the region and those within it actively suppress others because they are Muslim, Communist, etc. and make these groups feel unwelcome on the site, then I am of the belief that we should do something about it. The response is, what options do we have available to do so? Then we return back to the original question at hand, essentially which option to follow. This is the final question that I pose to the body (using some of the text of the resolution):

Will condemning ERoGC help halt its "aggressive nature," help curb its diffusion of "hatred and bigotry," and oust its attempt to "promote racist Nationalism?"

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Postby Kitzerland » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:29 pm

Furnifold wrote:Let's see if we can work through the argument at hand:

It seems that how to vote in this condemnation revolves around the question of, "Is passing this giving ERoGC a license and mouthpiece to continue acting the way it does, or will passing this condemnation be the beginning of the end?"

The question should also be, as a governing international body, should we condemn groups that promote silencing of nations or regions that are stated in ideology? That is, if a group is calling, from a purely ideological and non-strategic standpoint, to prevent people of a specific region from enjoying the privileges of the site in the manner these people want to want to, are we called to stop this from happening?

If the region and those within it actively suppress others because they are Muslim, Communist, etc. and make these groups feel unwelcome on the site, then I am of the belief that we should do something about it. The response is, what options do we have available to do so? Then we return back to the original question at hand, essentially which option to follow. This is the final question that I pose to the body (using some of the text of the resolution):

Will condemning ERoGC help halt its "aggressive nature," help curb its diffusion of "hatred and bigotry," and oust its attempt to "promote racist Nationalism?"

Nope. Not one bit.
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Libertarain Republicans
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:13 pm

According to the observation of my sources, Kitzerland is not in the WA. Do you have an alt in the WA?
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Kitzerland
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Postby Kitzerland » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:38 pm

Libertarain Republicans wrote:According to the observation of my sources, Kitzerland is not in the WA. Do you have an alt in the WA?

Yup. Sopwith Beagle.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:00 pm

I'm sick of these resolutions. Just because I don't agree with ERoGC, I'll vote FOR. But I hope this resolution fails.
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Postby Libertarain Republicans » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:14 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:I'm sick of these resolutions. Just because I don't agree with ERoGC, I'll vote FOR. But I hope this resolution fails.

I voted for because I wanted it to pass...
It seems very weird that you're got in in favor of a resolution you want to fail.

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Postby North American League » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:00 pm

Islamophobes should all burn. Not only do I hope this resolution passes, I hope that Antifa mobilizes to kick these scumbags from their region. And I straight up, in an OOC sense, hope that the founders and members of this region get curbstomped repeatedly in real life.

Hey fascists...

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