Why do communists hate liberals?

[Balkenreich]

Okay, since apparently these guys are having trouble, reforming Capitalism into a slightly nicer form form of Capitalism isn't left-wing. It may lean leftward slightly more than Flat-Out Capitalism, but Liberal Capitalism is still Capitalism. Socialists and Communists are irrevocably and inherently opposed to Capitalism.



How is he harassing you? Liberalism is inconsistent with Leftist ideology. The hijacking of Leftist Ideological pretense and Symbolism by Liberal Ideologies, does not make it compatible with Socialism.



Here's what you're not getting, Liberals are not Leftists. Left Unity is not about Socialism and Communism being hijacked by Liberal Capitalists.

I am a woman. He has no right to mansplain me.

oh youre a woman!

how does that explain that Tera has no right to show you how fucking different communism and liberalism is.

[Read a Book]

I have many communist and socialist friends. Most of them agree with me that fascist alt right people need to be destroyed,,and thefore left unity is nessecary.

Go to leftunity.org and actually read our manifesto

I will happily work with social democrats and socialists. I draw the line at communists. I despise authoritarians.

Ew, socdems. Communists being authoritarian is a bit of a stretch, seeing how anarchist communists, communalists, libertarian marxists of various shapes and sizes are a thing. I would hardly call marxists or leninists authoritarian either.

[Tinfect]

I have many communist and socialist friends. Most of them agree with me that fascist alt right people need to be destroyed,,and thefore left unity is nessecary.

Go to leftunity.org and actually read our manifesto

I will happily work with social democrats and socialists. I draw the line at communists. I despise authoritarians.

There is nothing Authoritarian about Communism. The bourgeois redefinition of Communism to refer to the Authoritarian State-Capitalism of the USSR does not reflect reality.

[Philjia]

I will happily work with social democrats and socialists. I draw the line at communists. I despise authoritarians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

I also like functioning societies and economies.

[Read a Book]

Actually, you are wrong. Most conservatives hate the fascists and think they are disgusting. They see fascists and communists as equally evil.

And to add from a Libertarian perspective, we see communism and fascism as from the same collectivist ilk.

I like how capitalism isn't collectivist despite it being based on working for the company and its higher-ups.

[Socialist Tera]

I will happily work with social democrats and socialists. I draw the line at communists. I despise authoritarians.

Ew, socdems. Communists being authoritarian is a bit of a stretch, seeing how anarchist communists, communalists, libertarian marxists of various shapes and sizes are a thing. I would hardly call marxists or leninists authoritarian either.

What about Maoists?

[Braecland]

What type of communists?

Please stop mansplaining and actuallly go on our website

You're not really from Left Unity are you? Your posts make it look like yours is a parody account.

[Read a Book]

Ew, socdems. Communists being authoritarian is a bit of a stretch, seeing how anarchist communists, communalists, libertarian marxists of various shapes and sizes are a thing. I would hardly call marxists or leninists authoritarian either.

What about Maoists?

Actual maoists or third worldists?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

I also like functioning societies and economies.

Yeah, do go on and prove how anarchist economies didn't or don't function.

[Socialist Tera]

Please stop mansplaining and actuallly go on our website

You're not really from Left Unity are you? Your posts make it look like yours is a parody account.

I suspect Dunning Kruger effect.

[Philjia]

I will happily work with social democrats and socialists. I draw the line at communists. I despise authoritarians.

There is nothing Authoritarian about Communism. The bourgeois redefinition of Communism to refer to the Authoritarian State-Capitalism of the USSR does not reflect reality.

Banning private trade is very authoritarian.

[Valaran]

Please stop mansplaining and actuallly go on our website

You're not really from Left Unity are you? Your posts make it look like yours is a parody account.

Yeah I was also starting to get a similar vibe here...

[Italios]

Key differences in economics. Liberals tend to be more centrist or even right wing in that sense; they either support capitalism wholly or want to slightly reform it by incorporating some socialist aspects, but it's no where near radical enough compared to communism and therefore the two ideologies are not compatible.

[Philjia]

You're not really from Left Unity are you? Your posts make it look like yours is a parody account.

I suspect Dunning Kruger effect.

More like political illiteracy. It's the same thing that allows right wingers to lump all left leaning ideals into the same group. (IE Obama is a communist/socialist.)

[Read a Book]

There is nothing Authoritarian about Communism. The bourgeois redefinition of Communism to refer to the Authoritarian State-Capitalism of the USSR does not reflect reality.

Banning private trade is very authoritarian.

Quite the opposite. Capitalist enterprise is in of itself dictatorial/autocratic in nature. Contrast to collective farms or socialist cooperatives, which were under the ownership of workers themselves and under their democratic management. Banning is not authoritarian when the action itself that it's banning is in of itself authoritarian, which is why banning prostitution would be authoritarian, while banning pimping isn't.

[Philjia]

Banning private trade is very authoritarian.

Quite the opposite. Capitalist enterprise is in of itself dictatorial/autocratic in nature. Contrast to collective farms or socialist cooperatives, which were under the ownership of workers themselves and under their democratic management. Banning is not authoritarian when the action itself that it's banning is in of itself authoritarian, which is why banning prostitution would be authoritarian, while banning pimping isn't.

All you're proposing is taking capitalism down a rung or two.

[Tinfect]

Quite the opposite. Capitalist enterprise is in of itself dictatorial/autocratic in nature. Contrast to collective farms or socialist cooperatives, which were under the ownership of workers themselves and under their democratic management. Banning is not authoritarian when the action itself that it's banning is in of itself authoritarian, which is why banning prostitution would be authoritarian, while banning pimping isn't.

All you're proposing is taking capitalism down a rung or two.

... What in all the nine hells are you on about?

[Philjia]

All you're proposing is taking capitalism down a rung or two.

... What in all the nine hells are you on about?

Capitalism where everybody is in a co-operative or syndicate is still capitalism.

[The Liberated Territories]

The same reason I dislike modern 'liberals,' they are the elite and the establishment.

[Read a Book]

Quite the opposite. Capitalist enterprise is in of itself dictatorial/autocratic in nature. Contrast to collective farms or socialist cooperatives, which were under the ownership of workers themselves and under their democratic management. Banning is not authoritarian when the action itself that it's banning is in of itself authoritarian, which is why banning prostitution would be authoritarian, while banning pimping isn't.

All you're proposing is taking capitalism down a rung or two.

All the while you'd prefer keeping it but paint a human face on it and integrate the working class into it, as social democrats do. No, I'm proposing that capitalism is to be abolished completely.

... What in all the nine hells are you on about?

Capitalism where everybody is in a co-operative or syndicate is still capitalism.

Oh yes, let's hear your ever-so-narrow definition of socialism which even though it has ownership and management of the economy of workers is not enough for you.

[Ensydia]

As you approach the extremist ends of any ideological spectrum, the individuals residing there are generally much less tolerant of more moderate views, even if they are ideologically similar.
After all, they're considered extreme largely because they're such a small, loud minority. And they're so small because they systematically oust more moderate individuals from their ranks.

But we're still left wing? Why do they hate us for being liberals?

I'm a liberal and I'm fine with worki ngwith communists ,I have workers with communists in the past, and support countries like Cuba and their government

But I still get harrasse by other "true" communists, especially those on libcom

Why?

You're like the cucks and quangs of the left, even though you're all cucks and quangs anyway. You're the cuckservative of your movement, even as you're all Jewish puppets. To put it bluntly, you're not a full blown Communist. That's why they hate you.

[Chestaan]

Same reason conservatives and liberals don't get on; irreconcilable ideological differences.

[Tinfect]

... What in all the nine hells are you on about?

Capitalism where everybody is in a co-operative or syndicate is still capitalism.

What the fuck?

Public Democratic Control of Production is literally one of the central ideas of Socialism. Capitalism doesn't come into the matter in the slightest.

[Philjia]

Capitalism where everybody is in a co-operative or syndicate is still capitalism.

Oh yes, let's hear your ever-so-narrow definition of socialism which even though it has ownership and management of the economy of workers is not enough for you.

Socialism is a flavour of capitalism. The means of production are still privately owned. The addition of the single rule that everybody in a company has to be a shareholder is not going to eliminate competition, which is the primary force which makes capitalism great/awful.

[Catochristoferson]

Oh yes, let's hear your ever-so-narrow definition of socialism which even though it has ownership and management of the economy of workers is not enough for you.

Socialism is a flavour of capitalism. The means of production are still privately owned. The addition of the single rule that everybody has to be a shareholder is not going to eliminate competition, which is the primary force which makes capitalism great/awful.

Liberals have a tendency to call that socialism, even though that's not what it means.

Here'a the actual definition.

so·cial·ism/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

[Tinfect]

Socialism is a flavour of capitalism. The means of production are still privately owned. The addition of the single rule that everybody in a company has to be a shareholder is not going to eliminate competition, which is the primary force which makes capitalism great/awful.

Okay, you're just making shit up now. Socialism is the outright rejection of Capitalism and the Capitalist mode of production. You're being ridiculous.