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Postby Husseinarti » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:32 am

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Kyraina wrote:The fact that the North Hollywood Shooters modified semi-auto aks into illegal full autos woth and countless ars modified from semi to full out any gunsmith experience confrims my view of easy as i do work as a parttime gun smith.


Come again?


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Postby Imperial City-States » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:45 am

Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?
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Postby Kyraina » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:33 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Kyraina wrote:The fact that the North Hollywood Shooters modified semi-auto aks into illegal full autos woth and countless ars modified from semi to full out any gunsmith experience confrims my view of easy as i do work as a parttime gun smith.


Come again?

Currently on my phone. Thats why it makes no sense.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:19 am

Imperial City-States wrote:Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?


Take everything you would like her to have, and set it aside.

The main thing is getting something that she is comfortable and capable of handling in a stressful situation. Take her to a range that has a rental rack, let her browse the selection of available sidearms and shoot whatever catches her eye. If she finds something that she likes, then you can go about zeroing in on that make and model and finding something from there.

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Postby Kyraina » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:29 am

Imperial City-States wrote:Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?

I'd recommend domething like a 380 ACP or even the SR-22. 22 pistols are a great thing, and a 22 at clise range will cause a lot of damage as they bounce all over the body before leaving the body. You could get shot in the head and it leave through your ass.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:34 am

Kyraina wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:NFA stuff, oh boy.


This is probably entirely due to the NFA, though. I mean, the NFA works if you're wanting deaths by legal full-autos to be reduced, but the difference between a legal and illegal full-auto is whether or not it's been registered. If all NFA items only required a Form 4473, you'd be seeing way more use of full-autos, but since the process is currently a headache and completely retarded, no one's going to attempt straw purchasing one and the "dumb" generally don't even know what the NFA is to begin with.

Also Some Semi-Autos can easily be modified to full Auto like the AR series and the AK-Series. I am not gonna say how, but it's not that hard, which is still illegal to do with out the Tax Stamp or Gun Smith Cert or FFL

For ARs:
Well, even with a drop-in auto-sear... you'll still at the very least need a milspec profiled bolt-group built back in the 90's, a notch in the hammer for it to engage, and some means of completely disengaging the trigger-disconnect with a re-worked cam on the fire selector switch assembly (likely this would just be a replacement-parts kit watchdogged by BATF like 80% lowers).

This is assuming the rear part of the lower has been reamed-out properly to accept the auto-sear.

And yes, the auto-sear component is that bone-headedly simple... although drilling the reciever out for it isn't going to be exactly the brightest move.
-Meanwhile, I've got a shim between the recievers that'd completely block such a device from operating. Because muh superstisious quest for acuracy.

Imperial City-States wrote:I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?

Well, your postscripted details tend to rule the Kimber completely out; a heavy lean towards Cz-75B if she already knows she can handle it, for parts, ammo, and training commonality. But give the S&W MPS a chance.

.22 long is still hella expensive although rarity is no longer a huge problem anymore, because reasons, and 9mm is pretty much hyper-available whether your plans are to buy a stockpile of it or start neighbor-raiding the moment people start oprotunity-looting.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:01 am

Zakuvia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Seriously right?


So would a 3-D printer fall under that? There's no milling going on, and you yourself are not 'working' the creation of the receiver. Plus, we know for a fact that you can get at least two or three magdumps out of 3DP material before it breaks.


IIRC California did pass a law involving 3D printed firearms.

Morons lol.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:12 am

Zakuvia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Seriously right?


So would a 3-D printer fall under that? There's no milling going on, and you yourself are not 'working' the creation of the receiver. Plus, we know for a fact that you can get at least two or three magdumps out of 3DP material before it breaks.


Really, three whole mags?

I realize that's pathetic, but I'm actually kind of impressed. I assumed you could maybe get a couple of rounds out of a 3DP firearm before it would break.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:14 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Zakuvia wrote:
So would a 3-D printer fall under that? There's no milling going on, and you yourself are not 'working' the creation of the receiver. Plus, we know for a fact that you can get at least two or three magdumps out of 3DP material before it breaks.


Really, three whole mags?

I realize that's pathetic, but I'm actually kind of impressed. I assumed you could maybe get a couple of rounds out of a 3DP firearm before it would break.


Modern 3D printed AR lowers are actually amazingly strong compared to what they were just a couple years ago. Using some of the bolt together designs you can easily last at least several hundred rounds, if not a few thousand if you print with strong enough materials.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Really, three whole mags?

I realize that's pathetic, but I'm actually kind of impressed. I assumed you could maybe get a couple of rounds out of a 3DP firearm before it would break.


Modern 3D printed AR lowers are actually amazingly strong compared to what they were just a couple years ago. Using some of the bolt together designs you can easily last at least several hundred rounds, if not a few thousand if you print with strong enough materials.


Damn that's impressive.

I mean, it's still kind of pointless to get a 3DP gun when you can just get a regular one, but if 3D printing technology progresses then reliable plastic guns might one day be a thing.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:38 am

The main reason I want a 3D printer is for prototyping things, it would really come in handy for that.

Plus when the printers that can do metal get cheaper that'll change everything.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The main reason I want a 3D printer is for prototyping things, it would really come in handy for that.

Plus when the printers that can do metal get cheaper that'll change everything.

Well, we could just 3d-print investment-casting moulds...

Make AR-15s as they were meant to be made. No milling required.
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Factbook and general referance thread.
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Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:It was remarkable how much could happen in as little as fifteen seconds.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:07 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The main reason I want a 3D printer is for prototyping things, it would really come in handy for that.

Plus when the printers that can do metal get cheaper that'll change everything.

Well, we could just 3d-print investment-casting moulds...

Make AR-15s as they were meant to be made. No milling required.


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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, we could just 3d-print investment-casting moulds...

Make AR-15s as they were meant to be made. No milling required.


brah

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Cast Wisconsinably

Because yeah, is legal
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Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:It was remarkable how much could happen in as little as fifteen seconds.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:24 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Because yeah, is legal


I've always kicked around the idea of buying one of these kinds of kits just to see how well they actually work.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:30 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?


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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:29 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, your postscripted details tend to rule the Kimber completely out; a heavy lean towards Cz-75B if she already knows she can handle it, for parts, ammo, and training commonality. But give the S&W MPS a chance.

.22 long is still hella expensive although rarity is no longer a huge problem anymore, because reasons, and 9mm is pretty much hyper-available whether your plans are to buy a stockpile of it or start neighbor-raiding the moment people start oprotunity-looting.


I mainly named the Kimber, CZ, and MPS because they're pistols I own and that she has experience with. She likes the Kimber, but unfortunately, I don't see it as an entirely practical option (caliber and limited magazine capacity). She very much enjoyed the Cz-75B, But I'm unsure if that was because it was mine, Or because she actually liked the pistol.



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Take everything you would like her to have, and set it aside.

The main thing is getting something that she is comfortable and capable of handling in a stressful situation. Take her to a range that has a rental rack, let her browse the selection of available sidearms and shoot whatever catches her eye. If she finds something that she likes, then you can go about zeroing in on that make and model and finding something from there.


Sound like a plan
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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:30 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?


First aid supplies, peanut butter, and water.

Kyraina wrote:I'd recommend domething like a 380 ACP or even the SR-22. 22 pistols are a great thing, and a 22 at clise range will cause a lot of damage as they bounce all over the body before leaving the body. You could get shot in the head and it leave through your ass.



Are you sure you're a gunsmith, because .22LR does none of those things.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:59 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Hey folks, bit of a question.

I'm in the process of putting together a Bug Out Bag for my Wife, and while I consider myself rather familiar with Fire Arms, I embrace outside opinion greatly.

I've been looking at various handguns out there in an attempt to find one that'll work well for her, and frankly I only know what my preferences are.

I've been looking at a Cz-75B (my preferred pistol), a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield (9mm) and maybe a Kimber 1911.

To add on that, she's of smaller stature, and double stacked .45's are uncomfortable for her so that's not a particularly good option.

Also to note that 9mm would be preferable as that would be compatable with my Handgun.

To you gentlemen have suggestions?


First aid supplies, peanut butter, and water.


I already have all of that covered, only looking at handguns rigjt now
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Postby Husseinarti » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:20 pm

Spreewerke wrote:First aid supplies, peanut butter, and water.


Pemmican is much more fortified and can be used to make different foods.

Glucose tablets provide you sugar and energy without taking to much water out of your system.

Charms and stuff do that stuff too, but they simply keep your mouth moist and don't have you becoming discomforted with a dry mouth.

Get an AR15 handgun thing.
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*turns 203mm shell into plant pot* my petunia will look nice from this spent shell.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:03 pm

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*turns 203mm shell into plant pot* my petunia will look nice from this spent shell.

Yeah... but don't we use paintball guns for training?

IIRC, the Home gaurd used apples
-Well, onions.

Fields military-grade potato-guns.
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Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:It was remarkable how much could happen in as little as fifteen seconds.

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Grinning Dragon wrote:BREAKING: House Votes to Overturn Obama’s Gun Ban for Social Security Recipients

Good! Hopefully it gets to the presidents desk.


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