Trump MAGAThread III: Steak, Vodka, Casinos, and America

[The Klishi Islands]

Article 10 protects the freedom of expression, less certain restrictions, some of which are present in the United States.

The US Constitution also does not protect the right to self-defense.

Care to provide a source that the European legal system is made up of "politicized show trials with a sham covering of legality?"

If it's so lacking, explain why it protects a number of rights the US Constitution does not, such as outlawing torture, the right to privacy, an explicit right to marriage, a right to education, an explicit right to vote, and banning the death penalty.

The European Union is not a military body, though. Yet it seems to have done an excellent job of avoiding war thus far.

See: Cruel and unusual punishment
See: 2nd Amendment
See: Trial by Judge and not by jury

They seem to be careening towards it. They have a military section of it for collective defense yet they are set on appeasement and haven't learned the lessons of the 2nd World War. We have many superior rights that don't have. For instance, the First and Second amendments. They missed the most basic freedoms for a bunch of wishy washy trash. ECHR is just a bad document. Doesn't even have freedom of speech/10.

Cruel and unusual punishment does not mean torture.

I already addressed the jury and gun rights in an earlier post.

How are they careening towards war?

TIL appeasement means "heavy sanctions on the last country that tried to annex something, noting that neither country involved is actually a member of the EU."

They also have the first amendment in all its forms; I didn't note it explicitly because the US also has it. They have freedom of expression, religion, assembly, petition, and the press. Have you even skimmed the ECHR?

I'm glad to know you think the right to vote and the right to education are wishy washy trash.

[Liriena]

The US Constitution also does not protect the right to self-defense.

Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

I still don't like guns, and I'm still for reasonable regulations, but I have definitely developed an appreciation for the existence of the Second Amendment.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

I still don't like guns, and I'm still for reasonable regulations, but I have definitely developed an appreciation for the existence of the Second Amendment.

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

[The Klishi Islands]

The US Constitution also does not protect the right to self-defense.

Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

Right, but there is no explicit right to self-defense, which is apparently all East Marshes is concerned with (because ECHR doesn't have an explicit right to gun ownership).

Why, yes. We do have proof of that.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_p ... _in_Norway

I'm not asking what they thought about capital punishment in general six years ago. I'm asking about what they think should be done with Breivik the individual. Believe it or not these are too different questions. But if is the case that Norwegians approve of what's going on here, I'm saddened. They've only themselves to blame if something similar happens again.

I understand they are two separate questions; however, given that the question was asked immediately after the Norway attacks, when that would have been the issue on everyone's minds, I'd be surprised if Norwegians hadn't allowed that to color their feelings on it.

TIL the only way to stop random terror attacks is to kill every single individual that carries one out.

[Liriena]

I still don't like guns, and I'm still for reasonable regulations, but I have definitely developed an appreciation for the existence of the Second Amendment.

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

The libertarian slogan of "gay couples defending their marijuana plants with their guns" does have a nice ring to it.

[The Klishi Islands]

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

The libertarian slogan of "gay couples defending their marijuana plants with their guns" does have a nice ring to it.

That may have been my favorite piece of the entire campaign.

[Bakery Hill]

I understand they are two separate questions; however, given that the question was asked immediately after the Norway attacks, when that would have been the issue on everyone's minds, I'd be surprised if Norwegians hadn't allowed that to color their feelings on it.

TIL the only way to stop random terror attacks is to kill every single individual that carries one out.

TIL you win a war by being nice to your enemies : D

[Proctopeo]

I understand they are two separate questions; however, given that the question was asked immediately after the Norway attacks, when that would have been the issue on everyone's minds, I'd be surprised if Norwegians hadn't allowed that to color their feelings on it.

TIL the only way to stop random terror attacks is to kill every single individual that carries one out.

TIL you win a war by being nice to your enemies : D

If you kill your enemies, they win.

[The East Marches]

See: Cruel and unusual punishment
See: 2nd Amendment
See: Trial by Judge and not by jury

They seem to be careening towards it. They have a military section of it for collective defense yet they are set on appeasement and haven't learned the lessons of the 2nd World War. We have many superior rights that don't have. For instance, the First and Second amendments. They missed the most basic freedoms for a bunch of wishy washy trash. ECHR is just a bad document. Doesn't even have freedom of speech/10.

Cruel and unusual punishment does not mean torture.

I already addressed the jury and gun rights in an earlier post.

How are they careening towards war?

TIL appeasement means "heavy sanctions on the last country that tried to annex something, noting that neither country involved is actually a member of the EU."

They also have the first amendment in all its forms; I didn't note it explicitly because the US also has it. They have freedom of expression, religion, assembly, petition, and the press. Have you even skimmed the ECHR?

I'm glad to know you think the right to vote and the right to education are wishy washy trash.

They don't have it or else they wouldn't ban hate speech would they? Simply put, if your opinion is unpopular or deemed a threat, you've not the right to have it voiced in Europe. GG no re on the freedoms front.

Also heavy sanctions but no military build up, the Russians menace them and the Germans fall over themselves with business bait/cutting sales to the Baltic states. They have no backbone and like WW2, we will see a WW3 because of their cowardice.

Your explanations on the jury and gun rights from was mealy mouthed at best.

[Bakery Hill]

TIL you win a war by being nice to your enemies : D

If you kill your enemies, they win.

This is a fact. Checkmate bigots.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

Right, but there is no explicit right to self-defense, which is apparently all East Marshes is concerned with (because ECHR doesn't have an explicit right to gun ownership).

That is a pretty big thing to be missing imo.

You're right there is no explicit right to self defense but it is pretty commonly lumped in with the RKBA so I'm not overly concerned about the lack of it. We've done a pretty good job of keeping self defense a thing in the courts, Heller and Caetano especially helped.

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

The libertarian slogan of "gay couples defending their marijuana plants with their guns" does have a nice ring to it.

Defend their marijuana farms with machine guns*

Forget just a few plants, we go bigly.

[IceBuddha]

(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

[The Klishi Islands]

I understand they are two separate questions; however, given that the question was asked immediately after the Norway attacks, when that would have been the issue on everyone's minds, I'd be surprised if Norwegians hadn't allowed that to color their feelings on it.

TIL the only way to stop random terror attacks is to kill every single individual that carries one out.

TIL you win a war by being nice to your enemies : D

TIL combating crime is a "war" and that "locking someone up away from society" is being nice to them.

[Lady Scylla]

I still don't like guns, and I'm still for reasonable regulations, but I have definitely developed an appreciation for the existence of the Second Amendment.

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

I'm pro-gun, still want firearms to be registered, background and mental exams, and violent offenders to never be allowed to purchase them.

[The Klishi Islands]

Right, but there is no explicit right to self-defense, which is apparently all East Marshes is concerned with (because ECHR doesn't have an explicit right to gun ownership).

That is a pretty big thing to be missing imo.

You're right there is no explicit right to self defense but it is pretty commonly lumped in with the RKBA so I'm not overly concerned about the lack of it. We've done a pretty good job of keeping self defense a thing in the courts, Heller and Caetano especially helped.

I'm not contesting that. I agree that it is lumped in, and I don't think anyone denies the right to self-defense. It's a pretty standard legal pillar in both the US and Europe, guns or no.

[Ifreann]

If you want to personify the EU like the US and Russia you could consider Europa, from whom we got the name of the continent.

You might be mistaken for the sort of far-right neo-nazi who wants to purge the Muslims and what have you.

Thats why I don't do it. I really don't want to be associated with those guys. They want to kill me and stuff so it would like ruin my street cred.

I'll ask my MEP to see if they can form a committee on a supernational anthropomorphic personification that hasn't been ruined by racists.

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The US Constitution also does not protect the right to self-defense.

Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

That isn't protecting the right to self defence, that's protecting the right to bear arms.

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(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

He's building towards invading Mexico citing diplomatic insult as his casus belli.

[Chestaan]

(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

It's probably an attempt to distract us from the fact that he can't and won't get Mexico to pay for the Wall. His biggest policy and he's already fucked it up in his first week.

[Conserative Morality]

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

I'll get on the 'legalize all small arms' bandwagon once you get on the 'register all guns like cars' bandwagon.

[Conserative Morality]

He's building towards invading Mexico citing diplomatic insult as his casus belli.

Does that work if you're the one delivering the insult?

[Chestaan]

Thats why I don't do it. I really don't want to be associated with those guys. They want to kill me and stuff so it would like ruin my street cred.

I'll ask my MEP to see if they can form a committee on a supernational anthropomorphic personification that hasn't been ruined by racists.

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Yes actually it does. SCOTUS has ruled the 2A applies to handguns kept in the home for self-defense.

That isn't protecting the right to self defence, that's protecting the right to bear arms.

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(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

He's building towards invading Mexico citing diplomatic insult as his casus belli.

His election and this whole crazy episode of history would make a lot more sense if it turned out he was playing a real life Paradox game.

[Lady Scylla]

(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

Radio news earlier said this is the lowest US-Mexico relations have been since the Mexican-American War (1846-1848)

[Ifreann]

He's building towards invading Mexico citing diplomatic insult as his casus belli.

Does that work if you're the one delivering the insult?

No, but when you're a thin-skinned narcissist, anything can be taken as an insult.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

I'm pro-gun, still want firearms to be registered, background and mental exams, and violent offenders to never be allowed to purchase them.

Thank the heavens that registries for title 1 firearms are illegal federally. At least Reagan did one thing right.

That is a pretty big thing to be missing imo.

You're right there is no explicit right to self defense but it is pretty commonly lumped in with the RKBA so I'm not overly concerned about the lack of it. We've done a pretty good job of keeping self defense a thing in the courts, Heller and Caetano especially helped.

I'm not contesting that. I agree that it is lumped in, and I don't think anyone denies the right to self-defense. It's a pretty standard legal pillar in both the US and Europe, guns or no.

I'll fully admit I'm not an expert by any means but from things I've read and heard it sounds like the right to self defense has taken quite a beating in Europe. Though I guess it could vary quite a bit by country, I know Czechia has pretty good self defense laws but the UK has a reputation for some awful ones.

Just wait, you'll come around to the "legalize all small arms" side eventually

I'll get on the 'legalize all small arms' bandwagon once you get on the 'register all guns like cars' bandwagon.

You mean completely unregistered and unlicensed if it never leaves private property?

Fuck yeah, I'm down. I'll just build my own firing range

[Chestaan]

(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

Radio news earlier said this is the lowest US-Mexico relations have been since the Mexican-American War (1846-1848)

Makes sense as attempting to extort money from a nation is a pretty aggressive act.

[Alvecia]

(Reuters) Trump says Mexico has taken advantage of U.S. 'for long enough'

He's continuing his anti-Mexico rhetoric. What is the point of this antagonism? Is it political red meat, or what?

He's building towards invading Mexico citing diplomatic insult as his casus belli.

"Donald Trump questions Mexican sovereignty"