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by Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:22 pm
by Greed and Death » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:27 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Why are people more concerned about their views/beliefs being called out as racist than self-reflecting and addressing racism?
by Bearstin » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:28 pm
by Wisgothistan » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:17 pm
by The Conez Imperium » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:28 pm
Bearstin wrote:Not all Trump supporters are bigots. I am totally for Womens and LGBT rights, and so is Trump for the most part. He said he isn't going to fight the Supreme Courts decision on gay marriage.
What I'd like to ask the left side is why before November, they were telling Trump supporters to not go crazy when he wasn't elected, but then set cars on fire and smash windows in local businesses after Trump is elected. Very hypocritical and a disgrace to protesting. Violent protests will have the opposite result of what you wish. It makes everyone more angry and won't accomplish anything
by Shofercia » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:31 pm
Keshetar wrote:I am actually offended because half of a country of people are branded as extremist, not just by the other half, but the rest of the world. Why is this considered fair?
If we really are extremists, racism, misogyny, or other characteristics of "hate" might as well be tolerated speech. Just because we may have radically different attitudes on topics doesn't mean we are evil. If half of US is made of extremists, then how are we so dominant?
by The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:32 pm
Bearstin wrote:Not all Trump supporters are bigots. I am totally for Womens and LGBT rights, and so is Trump for the most part. He said he isn't going to fight the Supreme Courts decision on gay marriage.
What I'd like to ask the left side is why before November, they were telling Trump supporters to not go crazy when he wasn't elected, but then set cars on fire and smash windows in local businesses after Trump is elected. Very hypocritical and a disgrace to protesting. Violent protests will have the opposite result of what you wish. It makes everyone more angry and won't accomplish anything
by The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:33 pm
by The Foxes Swamp » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:37 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:38 pm
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by Great Minarchistan » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:10 pm
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by Ethel mermania » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:17 am
by Republic of the Cristo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:23 am
Costa Azzurra wrote:Because the alt-right (which I assume is the "half" you're referring to) have brought the political debate down to new lows with their vulgarity and hate speech. The highest public office of the nation is now -- thanks to said half of the population -- held by a man who's proud to proclaim that he spends his free time grabbing women by the pussy.
by USS Monitor » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:24 am
Republic of the Cristo wrote:Costa Azzurra wrote:Because the alt-right (which I assume is the "half" you're referring to) have brought the political debate down to new lows with their vulgarity and hate speech. The highest public office of the nation is now -- thanks to said half of the population -- held by a man who's proud to proclaim that he spends his free time grabbing women by the pussy.
He is not alt-right, and the overwhelming majority of the people who voted him in are not alt-right - and most alt-right art not racists ( but yes, extremist )
by Republic of the Cristo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:24 am
Katganistan wrote:No, not half. Only about 30 percent of people voted, not that it mattered since the Donald lost the popular vote.
And I dare say that some of the people who voted for him are not racist. I would say they are misguided, because they believe the lies he spun about this being about making America great, believe somehow that his loading the cabinet with his billionire buddies who want to gut healthcare, education, and fuck the environment with a broomhandle for their own profit is going to improve the country, believe that he's not a racist despite him blaming all the ills of the country on Mexicans, Chinese, and Muslims, refuse to believe he's a misogynist asshole who grabs women by the pussy and brags about it EVEN WHEN HE BRAGS ABOUT IT, Ignore that he publicly mocked a disabled reporter with a 'spaz attack' because that's somehow acceptable, pretend they don't see he is financially in bed with the Russians, excuse that he encouraged them to hack his opponent's computer systems and see nothing wrong with the fact that while it's known they influenced the election and that the FBI chief KNEW IT AND DID NOTHING except sink his opponent's campaign, excuse him giving the Bellamy salute repeatedly while being supported by David Duke and the KKK, excuse that he knowingly lied about putting Ms. Clinton in jail then went back on in immediately after winning because he knew that no crime was committed.... and pretend he's supposedly put his kids in charge of his empire, so as to not have a conflict of interest, then tried to put them into positions in his cabinet and get them very high level government clearance because that's not a conflict of interest at all. That he's declared himself at war with the media and won't talk to any reporters at all from some news agencies? And they ignore how he's delayed all the lawsuits for fraud and illegal hiring practices against him so that he can hide behind the presidency?
No, some of his supporters, who are not NEARLY half the country, aren't racist. They're not even half of the pitiful number of eligible voters who got off their asses on election day. They may be just ignorant, whether willfully so or honestly so. That their candidate of choice is a complete shitbag who is in bed with a foreign power and was more than willing to accept the support of racist fucksticks should be giving them a whole lot to think about.
But I'm betting that the buyer's remorse will start setting in when he starts shafting his supporters, because understand this: the ONLY person the Donald gives a shit about is the Donald, and how he can profit from this. Ask the folks whose homes were repossessed by the banks for resale how they feel about him putting a Treasury Secretary in who foreclosed on 37,000 homes in the housing crash, a labor secretary who wants to eliminate jobs and minimum wage in favor of robots in his fast food chain, a Commerce secretary who owned the Sago Coal mine where workers died in an explosion and the mine was closed (hm, are you really bringing back jobs for coal miners?), a head of the EPA who wants to screw the environment (global warming? What's that? Drill baby drill!), a Health and Human Services guy who wants to privatize Medicare (meaning, his billionaire buddies get richer and the elderly/disabled get less medical care), a Housing and Urban Development pick with no experience and who opposes Fair Housing laws, and an educational secretary with no experience, no knowledge of the difference between proficiency and growth, who wants guns in schools, who wants to ignore the laws about educating disabled students, and who wants to dismantle the public schools to funnel federal funds into religious schools.
So, associate with this pack of ignorant, lying, racist, robber-baron charlatans, and then wonder why the majority of people who did NOT vote for this believe those who did, support him?
Why, how unreasonable to think that one supports what one voted for and proclaimed so proudly! And how awful and terrible it is for those who did not to point out how problematic that support is! So please, go on about how offended you are that people associate the folks who proudly proclaim they voted for all this with what they voted for.
by Republic of the Cristo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:28 am
by USS Monitor » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:41 am
by Lautrec- » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:52 am
Bearstin wrote:Not all Trump supporters are bigots. I am totally for Womens and LGBT rights, and so is Trump for the most part. He said he isn't going to fight the Supreme Courts decision on gay marriage.
by Karamiko » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:59 am
Bearstin wrote:Not all Trump supporters are bigots. I am totally for Womens and LGBT rights, and so is Trump for the most part. He said he isn't going to fight the Supreme Courts decision on gay marriage.
What I'd like to ask the left side is why before November, they were telling Trump supporters to not go crazy when he wasn't elected, but then set cars on fire and smash windows in local businesses after Trump is elected. Very hypocritical and a disgrace to protesting. Violent protests will have the opposite result of what you wish. It makes everyone more angry and won't accomplish anything
by Risottia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:01 am
Keshetar wrote:I am actually offended because half of a country of people are branded as extremist, not just by the other half, but the rest of the world. Why is this considered fair?
If we really are extremists, racism, misogyny, or other characteristics of "hate" might as well be tolerated speech.
Just because we may have radically different attitudes on topics doesn't mean we are evil. If half of US is made of extremists, then how are we so dominant?
by Risottia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:08 am
by Frank Zipper » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:10 am
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