Trump MAGAThread III: Steak, Vodka, Casinos, and America

[Thermodolia]

You want an argument? Fine.

Stop your German military masturbation. Germany will never be the central military power in Europe. So you can stop your fanboyism of past Germany and you can drop the Russia is our friend act. It ain't gonna happen and America needs to be in Europe and Russia needs to stay in its place.

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

Fuck Germany and fuck their pride! It wasn't stolen they were fucking idiots and lost it.

Russia hasn't really helped with terrorism as you really can't trust a dictatorship to get terrorists.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The current list of Whitehouse.gov pages that have been removed:

LGTBQ+ Rights
Climate Change
Civil Liberties (replaced by 'Supporting our Law Enforcement')
Healthcare

Add the 'disabilities' page to that.

*eats M&Ms*

This is going to be a long movie.

4 years.

[Thermodolia]

None of those three are in Europe. And I think you're right that US intervention hasn't always been positive, but it has done more good than not.

However, we were lied into Iraq, and Afghanistan was Bush's attempt to dig the Taliban out of their spiderholes. Vietnam was started by subterfuge, and we'd have pulled out of there sooner if not for Nixon.

Bollocks it has done more good than not. It's turned the Middle East into a clusterfuck and has installed right wing dictator scumbags throughout Latin America.

And so what if they are not in Europe?

Latin America that's not under left wing wackos seems to be fine.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

You want an argument? Fine.

Stop your German military masturbation. Germany will never be the central military power in Europe. So you can stop your fanboyism of past Germany and you can drop the Russia is our friend act. It ain't gonna happen and America needs to be in Europe and Russia needs to stay in its place.

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

They can go get their pride and remilitarization somewhere else.

Add the 'disabilities' page to that.

*eats M&Ms*

This is going to be a long movie.

4 years.

At least I have college to attempt to distract me.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You may believe that. However, the EU is the biggest economy in the world. I don't think the US would want that to succumb to Russia, now, would it? That would cost a lot of jobs in, say, manufacturing.

Like I said before from an outsiders viewpoint its like seeing a 5 year old bullying an adult. Some european cpuntries need to pick up the slack.

We've seen enough war on our continent, thanks. I have no wish to see another war in my lifetime. Diplomacy will do just fine.

[Cymrea]

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

Pride "stolen" in the 19th Century has little if anything to do with today. Germany felt a kind of systemic shame over the Holocaust legacy. But for the last 60+ years, I think Germany has plenty to be proud of and motivation to continue advancing without the need to reclaim some vague Prussian identity.

[Chestaan]

Bollocks it has done more good than not. It's turned the Middle East into a clusterfuck and has installed right wing dictator scumbags throughout Latin America.

And so what if they are not in Europe?

Latin America that's not under left wing wackos seems to be fine.

Yeah, like Pinochet and Batista were amazing.

[Hexgard]

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

Fuck Germany and fuck their pride! It wasn't stolen they were fucking idiots and lost it.

Russia hasn't really helped with terrorism as you really can't trust a dictatorship to get terrorists.

Why do you people always have to be rude...

Besides, yes, the "idiots" lost it. They have apologised for Hitler, banned nazism fully, so there is nothing to be ashamed of really. It is no excuse to let Green party dimwits shame a great nation, it is no excuse to let third world parasites feast on the country either.

[Hittanryan]

The era he's referring to was more about trust-busting and labor rights than triggers and pronouns.

We need the former, not the latter.

Why the false dichotomy? We can have a worker's movement and a civil rights movement at the same time. Yeah, some particular controversies regarding identity issues have been downright absurd, but this idea that the left's future lies in abandoning civil rights and identity issues entirely, caving into right-wing rhetoric on socio-cultural policies, and becoming an exclusively economicist movement, seems very misguided to me.

I didn't say we should abandon civil rights, but we need to change our approach. Fundamentally what progressives and probably most Americans want is for everyone to be treated fairly and to have the same opportunities. Every American should be able to get an education, obtain gainful employment, enjoy equal protection under the law, and have total freedom of and from religion. That should be our message: an inclusive one.

That's what we should fight for at a grassroots level, not campaigns against "microaggressions," not banning speakers from universities, not blaming people for "privilege" they can't help, not this near-religious approach to the rape culture and patriarchy theories, and not aimless violence against people who have done nothing to hurt others. None of that sort of thing accomplishes anything but dividing the American people by gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation. It's just angry noise which feeds the right. We need to not just end our support for those kinds of campaigns, but actively and vocally condemn, marginalize, and undermine them. The fanatics need to be denounced, we can't simply pretend they aren't there or tolerate them anymore. They're costing us too much, and we need to be on our A game if we are to defeat what will inevitably be a corrupt, destructive, and economically ruinous Republican agenda.

It's not that the right doesn't do this sort of thing too, but they've essentially lost the culture war. Open bigots like the Westboro Baptist Church and KKK are politically weak and widely hated. Congressional Republicans are hesitant to openly advocate radical measures like the criminalization of homosexuality or reversing the Civil Rights Act, they have to do things on the sly, either making up excuses like voter fraud or effecting a persecution complex. The Republicans' jingoistic breed of nationalism is routinely and rightly mocked in popular entertainment. We need to be vigilant when that happens and fight them, but we can afford to ditch the identity politics.

[Cymrea]

None of those three are in Europe. And I think you're right that US intervention hasn't always been positive, but it has done more good than not.

However, we were lied into Iraq, and Afghanistan was Bush's attempt to dig the Taliban out of their spiderholes. Vietnam was started by subterfuge, and we'd have pulled out of there sooner if not for Nixon.

Bollocks it has done more good than not. It's turned the Middle East into a clusterfuck and has installed right wing dictator scumbags throughout Latin America.

And so what if they are not in Europe?

You stated that you want the US out of Europe, I gave a response that included Europe and then you stated three locations as relevant, none of which were in Europe. I'm confident you recognise your shifting focus there.

[Hexgard]

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

Pride "stolen" in the 19th Century has little if anything to do with today. Germany felt a kind of systemic shame over the Holocaust legacy. But for the last 60+ years, I think Germany has plenty to be proud of and motivation to continue advancing without the need to reclaim some vague Prussian identity.

Prussianism is a set of beliefs, like discipline, heroism, hierarchialism, obedience, firm rule and so on. It wasn't lost in the 19th century for sure, if anything, the German Empire was still a larger version of Prussia.

[Thermodolia]

Latin America that's not under left wing wackos seems to be fine.

Yeah, like Pinochet and Batista were amazing.

Well at least Chile isn't a shit hole like Venezuela

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Latin America that's not under left wing wackos seems to be fine.

Yeah, like Pinochet and Batista were amazing.

Even I confess Cristina and Hugo weren't very wise either, American plots to overthrow them notwithstanding.

Pride "stolen" in the 19th Century has little if anything to do with today. Germany felt a kind of systemic shame over the Holocaust legacy. But for the last 60+ years, I think Germany has plenty to be proud of and motivation to continue advancing without the need to reclaim some vague Prussian identity.

Prussianism is a set of beliefs, like discipline, heroism, hierarchialism, obedience, firm rule and so on. It wasn't lost in the 19th century for sure, if anything, the German Empire was still a larger version of Prussia.

I'd rather not return to Prussian hegemony, thank you very much.

[Thermodolia]

Fuck Germany and fuck their pride! It wasn't stolen they were fucking idiots and lost it.

Russia hasn't really helped with terrorism as you really can't trust a dictatorship to get terrorists.

Why do you people always have to be rude...

Besides, yes, the "idiots" lost it. They have apologised for Hitler, banned nazism fully, so there is nothing to be ashamed of really. It is no excuse to let Green party dimwits shame a great nation, it is no excuse to let third world parasites feast on the country either.

This is why I don't like the idea of German pride.

[Hittanryan]

You want an argument? Fine.

Stop your German military masturbation. Germany will never be the central military power in Europe. So you can stop your fanboyism of past Germany and you can drop the Russia is our friend act. It ain't gonna happen and America needs to be in Europe and Russia needs to stay in its place.

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

So you'd prefer a multipolar world full of self-interested nationalistic military powers all competing with each other. You realize that was the state of the world in 1914, right?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

They can go get their pride and remilitarization somewhere else.

*eats M&Ms*

This is going to be a long movie.

4 years.

At least I have college to attempt to distract me.

College is good.

[Chestaan]

Bollocks it has done more good than not. It's turned the Middle East into a clusterfuck and has installed right wing dictator scumbags throughout Latin America.

And so what if they are not in Europe?

You stated that you want the US out of Europe, I gave a response that included Europe and then you stated three locations as relevant, none of which were in Europe. I'm confident you recognise your shifting focus there.

You stated that you want the US to intervene and I am showing you where intervention has failed miserably. See the relevance now?

Yeah, like Pinochet and Batista were amazing.

Well at least Chile isn't a shit hole like Venezuela

At least Venzeula has never had a dictator in charge who actually used dogs to rape his victims.

[Thermodolia]

Why the false dichotomy? We can have a worker's movement and a civil rights movement at the same time. Yeah, some particular controversies regarding identity issues have been downright absurd, but this idea that the left's future lies in abandoning civil rights and identity issues entirely, caving into right-wing rhetoric on socio-cultural policies, and becoming an exclusively economicist movement, seems very misguided to me.

I didn't say we should abandon civil rights, but we need to change our approach. Fundamentally what progressives and probably most Americans want is for everyone to be treated fairly and to have the same opportunities. Every American should be able to get an education, obtain gainful employment, enjoy equal protection under the law, and have total freedom of and from religion. That should be our message: an inclusive one.

That's what we should fight for at a grassroots level, not campaigns against "microaggressions," not banning speakers from universities, not blaming people for "privilege" they can't help, not this near-religious approach to the rape culture and patriarchy theories, and not aimless violence against people who have done nothing to hurt others. None of that sort of thing accomplishes anything but dividing the American people by gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation. It's just angry noise which feeds the right. We need to not just end our support for those kinds of campaigns, but actively and vocally condemn, marginalize, and undermine them. The fanatics need to be denounced, we can't simply pretend they aren't there or tolerate them anymore. They're costing us too much, and we need to be on our A game if we are to defeat what will inevitably be a corrupt, destructive, and economically ruinous Republican agenda.

It's not that the right doesn't do this sort of thing too, but they've essentially lost the culture war. Open bigots like the Westboro Baptist Church and KKK are politically weak and widely hated. Congressional Republicans are hesitant to openly advocate radical measures like the criminalization of homosexuality or reversing the Civil Rights Act, they have to do things on the sly, either making up excuses like voter fraud or effecting a persecution complex. The Republicans' jingoistic breed of nationalism is routinely and rightly mocked in popular entertainment. We need to be vigilant when that happens and fight them, but we can afford to ditch the identity politics.

I fully agree with this

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Pride "stolen" in the 19th Century has little if anything to do with today. Germany felt a kind of systemic shame over the Holocaust legacy. But for the last 60+ years, I think Germany has plenty to be proud of and motivation to continue advancing without the need to reclaim some vague Prussian identity.

Prussianism is a set of beliefs, like 1) discipline, 2) heroism, 3) hierarchialism, 4) obedience, 5) firm rule and so on. It wasn't lost in the 19th century for sure, if anything, the German Empire was still a larger version of Prussia.

1) Inhibits creative thinking
2) Glorifies warfare, in which no glory can be achieved
3) Stands in direct contrast with individualism
4) Goes against ideas of freedom and the free state
5) What does this even mean?

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

So you'd prefer a multipolar world full of self-interested nationalistic military powers all competing with each other. You realize that was the state of the world in 1914, right?

If we all die getting blown to pieces by ATGMs, mortars, machine guns, assault rifles and smart shells we will regain our dignity! Dignity is bestest!

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Prussianism is a set of beliefs, like 1) discipline, 2) heroism, 3) hierarchialism, 4) obedience, 5) firm rule and so on. It wasn't lost in the 19th century for sure, if anything, the German Empire was still a larger version of Prussia.

1) Inhibits creative thinking
2) Glorifies warfare, in which no glory can be achieved
3) Stands in direct contrast with individualism
4) Goes against ideas of freedom and the free state
5) What does this even mean?

5 is just reinforcing the destruction of the Federal Republic of Germany.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I don't see any backlash.

Besides, I won't vote for the Conservatives.

If they look like Trump, I will get my Nana and Aunt to vote liberal.

It could easily be just my perspective; a lot of my Canadian friends are in Alberta and work in oil and gas. There is an incessant stream of hate for that boy in my feed.

Alberta is just mini Texas. So yeah, it is just Alberta.

If Ont Stays Red, the country stays red. And I live in Ont.

[Hexgard]

No nation is any other nation's friend, not forever at least, nor are there eternal enemies. Russia is a friend in figthing terrorism, it has done more in that field than the USA.
And true, true, Germany has lost his way, but I again point out Trump's rightful desire for Germany to pick up on militarism and fill in the holes in Europe for America.

Do not get me wrong, I don't regard Russia very highly compared to other European nations and their cultures, but the demonisation needs to stop.

Also, German remilitarisation is not just about returning their army, but about returning their stolen pride.

So you'd prefer a multipolar world full of self-interested nationalistic military powers all competing with each other. You realize that was the state of the world in 1914, right?

I am saying for that military power to be unified in one European combined interest, in such relations, yes, I support that self-interest, as long as it's in friendly or positive realtions with the US and Russia, as for the rest of the world, really isn't my interest.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The current list of Whitehouse.gov pages that have been removed:

LGTBQ+ Rights
Climate Change
Civil Liberties (replaced by 'Supporting our Law Enforcement')
Healthcare

Fuck that.

[Hexgard]

Prussianism is a set of beliefs, like 1) discipline, 2) heroism, 3) hierarchialism, 4) obedience, 5) firm rule and so on. It wasn't lost in the 19th century for sure, if anything, the German Empire was still a larger version of Prussia.

1) Inhibits creative thinking
2) Glorifies warfare, in which no glory can be achieved
3) Stands in direct contrast with individualism
4) Goes against ideas of freedom and the free state
5) What does this even mean?

1) Yet the line of thought made Germany one of the most contributing nation on the planet (scientifically)
2) In which there is nothing wrong, waging war, where warcrimes are evaded, is nothing evil per se
3) What is one person compared to the well being of the state?
4) Freedom is an overrated thing just like democracy
5) Strongman politics, or even dictatorship