An Un(Grizzly)bearable Confirmation Hearing

[Zakuvia]

So Donald Trump's pick for 'Person Who Gave Me Money Award' had their confirmation hearing with the Senate and...oh dear. I'm not wanting to make this bloggy, I want there to be a rational discussion on the pros and cons of Mrs. DeVos and her...willingness to work with her colleagues.

Can someone list off some pros of voucher systems to me? I can't think of any that a public school doesn't already accomplish.

[San Marlindo]

So Donald Trump's pick for 'Person Who Gave Me Money Award' had their confirmation hearing with the Senate and...oh dear. I'm not wanting to make this bloggy, I want there to be a rational discussion on the pros and cons of Mrs. DeVos and her...willingness to work with her colleagues.

Can someone list off some pros of voucher systems to me? I can't think of any that a public school doesn't already accomplish.

If you don't want to make this bloggy, expound on your opinion on vouchers. Aside from the fact you can't think of any pros, I mean (that's sort of a given based on your OP).

Also, what's up with the bit about a backdoor to funneling money to religious institutions? Expound on that in your OP also so we know more about what your concern is.

[Ashmoria]

it allows the government to spend money on private schools including religious schools.

in some instances it allows parents to keep the voucher money while they homeschool their children.

public school wont ever do that, eh?

[1516]

DeVos is... a mixed bag, for me at least.

I support her efforts to end Common Core, but she seems to be way to religiously bigoted for me. She also wants "vouchers," while I want privatized schools across the board.

Eh, let's hope for the best.

[Maichuko]

Christ, And I thought Sarah Palin was embarrassing for Republicans.

[1516]

Christ, And I thought Sarah Palin was embarrassing for Republicans.

DeVos isn't terrible. She's just bad.

[Ethel mermania]

They provide parents choice in their child's schooling.

[The Serbian Empire]

DeVos is... a mixed bag, for me at least.

I support her efforts to end Common Core, but she seems to be way to religiously bigoted for me. She also wants "vouchers," while I want privatized schools across the board.

Eh, let's hope for the best.

She's one of those Dominionists like Ted Cruz who believe that we need to make God's little soldiers.

[Zakuvia]

So Donald Trump's pick for 'Person Who Gave Me Money Award' had their confirmation hearing with the Senate and...oh dear. I'm not wanting to make this bloggy, I want there to be a rational discussion on the pros and cons of Mrs. DeVos and her...willingness to work with her colleagues.

Can someone list off some pros of voucher systems to me? I can't think of any that a public school doesn't already accomplish.

If you don't want to make this bloggy, expound on your opinion on vouchers. Aside from the fact you can't think of any pros, I mean (that's sort of a given based on your OP).

Also, what's up with the bit about a backdoor to funneling money to religious institutions? Expound on that in your OP also so we know more about what your concern is.

A fair statement. School voucher systems are the concept that public funding normally reserved for schools should be distributed to individuals in the form of 'vouchers' that can be used to send children to their parent's choice of schools.

In theory, the idea is that children can use the vouchers to attend schools that they normally might not be able to due to economic or geographic concerns and loopholes. Sometimes in the public school system there are instances where children are required to attend schools that don't make sense for them, and I can accept the logic there. The problem is that in practice these vouchers are used to send children to unvetted and/or religiously motivated private schools that would never receive federal tax money under any other regime.

Trevor Noah already did a piece on these some time back, but my family has a background in education, so I've known about them for a few years prior.

[MERIZoC]

The growth vs. proficiency moment was quite amazing.

[The Lone Alliance]

Education is hopelessly broken partly because of the 9 million different people each with their own crazy radical ideas on how to fix it. Vouchers is just another example of stupid ideas.

I think the best way to fix education would be to publicly ship all the grossly overpaid consultants to some remote desert island and leave them there.

Then go back to having teaching again.

[Ashmoria]

Education is hopelessly broken partly because of the 9 million different people each with their own crazy radical ideas on how to fix it. Vouchers is just another example of stupid ideas.

I think the best way to fix education would be to publicly ship all the grossly overpaid consultants to some remote desert island and leave them there.

Then go back to having teaching again.

put money into teachers and classrooms instead of the bloated bureaucracy of the administration. professional teachers do a damned good job.

[NERVUN]

Vouchers, well, on paper it looks like a good idea, but so far I've yet to see it work in ways that doesn't cause more problems.

[Greed and Death]

Education is hopelessly broken partly because of the 9 million different people each with their own crazy radical ideas on how to fix it. Vouchers is just another example of stupid ideas.

I think the best way to fix education would be to publicly ship all the grossly overpaid consultants to some remote desert island and leave them there.

Then go back to having teaching again.

put money into teachers and classrooms instead of the bloated bureaucracy of the administration. professional teachers do a damned good job.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educatio ... udy-shows/

We already spend more than any other country.

http://www.businessinsider.com/teacher- ... try-2016-1

We already pay our teachers more than all but a handful of countries( all of which have higher costs of living).

Throwing more money at the problem is not the solution.

[Outer Sparta]

Devos is a misfit because she's the head of the Department of Education that has never worked with or in public schools, and she's a supporter of private schools when this job makes you in charge of public schooling.

[Greed and Death]

Devos is a misfit because she's the head of the Department of Education that has never worked with or in public schools, and she's a supporter of private schools when this job makes you in charge of public schooling.

In fairness the Department of education doesn't oversea public education, it overseas handing out grants to the states that run public education.

[Outer Sparta]

Devos is a misfit because she's the head of the Department of Education that has never worked with or in public schools, and she's a supporter of private schools when this job makes you in charge of public schooling.

In fairness the Department of education doesn't oversea public education, it overseas handing out grants to the states that run public education.

She supports private schooling over public, so I don't know how this fits. It's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

[Ethel mermania]

In fairness the Department of education doesn't oversea public education, it overseas handing out grants to the states that run public education.

She supports private schooling over public, so I don't know how this fits. It's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

most republicans support vouchers, and a scaling back of DOE. you would not get an insider to do it.

[NERVUN]

put money into teachers and classrooms instead of the bloated bureaucracy of the administration. professional teachers do a damned good job.

http://www.businessinsider.com/teacher- ... try-2016-1

We already pay our teachers more than all but a handful of countries( all of which have higher costs of living).

Average US starting salary for teachers is, IIRC, $37k. Average starting salary for BA/BS degree holders in the US is $42k...

Teachers having to work second jobs in order to make rent is becoming a norm...

[Greed and Death]

http://www.businessinsider.com/teacher- ... try-2016-1

We already pay our teachers more than all but a handful of countries( all of which have higher costs of living).

Average US starting salary for teachers is, IIRC, $37k. Average starting salary for BA/BS degree holders in the US is $42k...

Teachers having to work second jobs in order to make rent is becoming a norm...

5,000 less for a field with almost no private for profit sector counterpart ? That is actually pretty good for nonprofit and govnerment work.

[Greed and Death]

In fairness the Department of education doesn't oversea public education, it overseas handing out grants to the states that run public education.

She supports private schooling over public, so I don't know how this fits. It's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

instead of funneling money to the state governments to mess up education money will be funneled directly to parents to mess up education. As an American I believe messing up the system is an individual responsibility.

[The Portland Territory]

Education is hopelessly broken partly because of the 9 million different people each with their own crazy radical ideas on how to fix it. Vouchers is just another example of stupid ideas.

I think the best way to fix education would be to publicly ship all the grossly overpaid consultants to some remote desert island and leave them there.

Then go back to having teaching again.

put money into teachers and classrooms instead of the bloated bureaucracy of the administration. professional teachers do a damned good job.

True. Some teachers are pretty good, especially those who have a good degree, others, well, are shit

Fuck, I'm typing this on a school computer

[NERVUN]

Average US starting salary for teachers is, IIRC, $37k. Average starting salary for BA/BS degree holders in the US is $42k...

Teachers having to work second jobs in order to make rent is becoming a norm...

5,000 less for a field with almost no private for profit sector counterpart ? That is actually pretty good for nonprofit and govnerment work.

Wanna show me a sauce that shows degree-holders with licences, which is what teachers are, making that amount across government jobs?

[Big Jim P]

They provide parents choice in their child's schooling.

Which is why so many dislike it.

[Shamhnan Insir]

They provide parents choice in their child's schooling.

Which often is not the best idea, considering the standards (or lack thereof) of their parents education.