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by Knootoss » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:09 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:08 am
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:59 am
Knootoss wrote:"I'm afraid that the present draft underestimates the role of infrastructure and power generation in modern warfare. Destroying roads and blowing up power plants may prove necessary, whether it is done to prevent a fascist aggressor from advancing unimpeded into ones' territory or to disrupt a communications network that is being used to direct a genocide. I could go along with a resolution that restricts the use of force against civilians and civilian infrastructure as a tactic designed to instill terror, but roads, bridges and power stations are sometimes - often, even - legitimate military targets.
The present draft of this proposal would see the heroic members of La Resistance rounded up and convicted for war crimes."
Barrell Marais
Knootian ambassador to the World Assembly
by States of Glory WA Office » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:24 pm
Knootoss wrote:fascist
by Knootoss » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:32 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:01 pm
Knootoss wrote:"Command decisions are always difficult, having to weigh different possibilities against each other. When it comes to infrastructure, the same road that would carry the enemy army towards your capital might be used by civilians fleeing from that advancing force. Do the lives saved by ending a war more quickly count against lives lost by conducting a campaign in the most effective way possible? The present draft does not allow for consideration of these issues.
With regards to power plant, it is a simple fact that plants are bigger and easier to hit. Not every war can be assumed to involve fighter jets wielding precision ammunition in a situation where they have air superiority. And even in this hypothetical scenario the problem remains that substations are much smaller and often located in built-up areas, near the points of distribution. It is also relatively easy to bypass a substation - it can be done in a few hours with a pair of engineers and the right equipment. And is electrical power really necessary for human survival? Again, it depends on the situation.
In answer to Neville - the Dutch Democratic Republic was a pacifist nation that promoted global disarmament until we were invaded by an alliance known as the GDODAD, the Global Dominion of Dictators Against Democracy. They laid waste to our capital and were set to take over the country until our allies rallied and an agreement could be reached to establish a cease-fire. We've good reason to be worried about fascist aggression, having been one of its victims."
by States of Glory WA Office » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:05 pm
Knootoss wrote:"In answer to Neville - the Dutch Democratic Republic was a pacifist nation that promoted global disarmament until we were invaded by an alliance known as the GDODAD, the Global Dominion of Dictators Against Democracy. They laid waste to our capital and were set to take over the country until our allies rallied and an agreement could be reached to establish a cease-fire. We've good reason to be worried about fascist aggression, having been one of its victims."
by Knootoss » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:03 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:38 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:42 pm
by States of Glory WA Office » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:38 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:PARSONS: As a Duke of the realm, I hereby make Barrell Marais a baronet of the Duchy of Geneva for services to the Duchy and the protection of the realm.
NORTH: Don't you think there are enough baronets already, given every Duke just makes tons of them every time they need something?
PARSONS: The protection and defence of the realm is as good as a reason as any.
by Excidium Planetis » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:34 am
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Knootoss wrote:fascist
Neville: Honestly, what is it with the WA's obsession with fascism? Did fascists kill all the Ambassadors' parents?
Fairburn: While it's highly likely that at least one Ambassador's parents were killed by fascists, I'll have to agree with Neville. Fascists are as much a threat nowadays as Communists, Nazis and SJWs.
Separatist Peoples wrote:"I won't accept this notion that it is a net positive to kill a million civilians to save two million later. We shouldn't be waging war in such a manner that makes that choice necessary in the first place. We are better than those who would leverage the suffering of the innocent against an enemy."
"Fighting like them makes you as bad as them, ambassador. I submit that, if you cannot survive as a morally superior entity, the difference between you and your enemy of old is merely superficial."
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by Separatist Peoples » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:32 am
by Herby » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:32 am
by Excidium Planetis » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:52 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Fighting is, itself, not immoral. Fighting in a way that puts innocents in unnecessary danger is, and I have no intention of pandering to that kind of bloodlust."
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:47 am
by Whovian Tardisia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:20 pm
by Poldark » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:42 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:22 pm
Poldark wrote:Like many here, The UKP supports the purpose of the proposal. However, we would prefer to see the list of protected civilian services strictly defined, essentially striking "but not limited to". This sort of language is a kind of imprecise laziness that breeds future subjectivity that does not belong in law and future enforcement that could only be described as arbitrary.
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:43 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Bakhton » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:10 pm
by Poldark » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:54 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Poldark wrote:Like many here, The UKP supports the purpose of the proposal. However, we would prefer to see the list of protected civilian services strictly defined, essentially striking "but not limited to". This sort of language is a kind of imprecise laziness that breeds future subjectivity that does not belong in law and future enforcement that could only be described as arbitrary.
"Considering that list might quickly become outdated over time, we are inclined to allow member's courts to make that distinction for the moment, your Excellency. While water and sewer lines will likely be considered essential to all nations out of self-preservation, as they likely want a similar courtesy extended to them, this delegation is willing to allow flexibility on the topic of, say, fiber optic utility lines for high speed internet connectivity. Some nations will consider that critical. Some nations will not. I would rather leave that question to various court systems rather than bend my head around the impossible problem of defining them all."
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:20 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:"I will repeat the question from Ambassador 53: What services would you say are exclusively used by civilians?"
Poldark wrote:
Thank you, Sir. But I fear I'm now confused. Is it to be that local or regional authorities will determine what a critical service is if it is not expressly listed here? That seems unlikely in a law governing the the entire community of WA nations. No?
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:36 am
by States of Glory WA Office » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:The strength is currently Significant, considering the expense and difficulty of considering infrastructure in military planning, but I'm not married to it.
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