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by Songnam » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:28 pm
by The blessed Chris » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:28 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:The blessed Chris wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Taxation is not universally legal.
It's legal within all nations Generalites hail from, as far as I'm aware, and that's all that matters.
by Dododecapod » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:30 pm
Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Its not legal under natural law. And just because it is legal does not mean its not theft.
Cite the "natural law" that makes it illegal.
You shall not violently aggress against others?
And that comes from what?
The history of human's rejection of violence?
So completely imaginary then?
I dont think you have ever brought anything intelligent to a topic I have ever made.
But the only way violence has ever been accepted by society is when it is far removed from people, or people have been psychologically conditioned to kill. Give a random person a hatchet and ask them to kill somebody for the betterment of society, and im willing to bet most wouldn't do it.
by Sibirsky » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:30 pm
Dododecapod wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
It is not theft because ultimately you do have the power to evade or refuse to pay it, either legally (through lack of income, having income only from non-taxed sources or leaving the country) or illegally, through simply not paying. A thief takes your money; governments require you to give it up willingly.
Whether or not tax is extortion is another question altogether.
by Ceiling Cats » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:30 pm
Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
by Genivar » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:30 pm
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Its not legal under natural law. And just because it is legal does not mean its not theft.
Cite the "natural law" that makes it illegal.
You shall not violently aggress against others?
And that comes from what?
The history of human's rejection of violence? Unless of course they are brainwashed to think otherwise.
And how are fines and imprisonment for violating well established law violent?
by Rick Rollin » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:31 pm
Norstal wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
We had this discussion about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=58764&hilit=Taxation+is+theft
by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:32 pm
The blessed Chris wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:The blessed Chris wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Taxation is not universally legal.
It's legal within all nations Generalites hail from, as far as I'm aware, and that's all that matters.
Taxation is not a monolithic. Certain taxes can be illegal.
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by Norstal » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:32 pm
Rick Rollin wrote:The Police are funded by tax money, m'kay?Norstal wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
We had this discussion about a month ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=58764&hilit=Taxation+is+theft
That about the interval between abortion debates on NSG.
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by Buffett and Colbert » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:32 pm
Genivar wrote:Buffett and Colbert wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Its not legal under natural law. And just because it is legal does not mean its not theft.
Cite the "natural law" that makes it illegal.
You shall not violently aggress against others?
And that comes from what?
The history of human's rejection of violence? Unless of course they are brainwashed to think otherwise.
And how are fines and imprisonment for violating well established law violent?
It's certainly better then the king sending his men to kill you and burn your house down.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.
by Sibirsky » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:32 pm
Songnam wrote:Okay, where else is the government going to get funding. Technically, we pay the landlord rent. The Landlord is the government. We are the tenants. They take care of legal crap. They deal with other nations. This may sound a bit eaglelandish, but thats my pov.
by Hassett » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:34 pm
by Picklepoo » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:34 pm
Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
by Dododecapod » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:35 pm
Sibirsky wrote:Dododecapod wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
It is not theft because ultimately you do have the power to evade or refuse to pay it, either legally (through lack of income, having income only from non-taxed sources or leaving the country) or illegally, through simply not paying. A thief takes your money; governments require you to give it up willingly.
Whether or not tax is extortion is another question altogether.
Willingly? The government threatens you with jail time. That's force.
As far as leaving the country, you have to renounce your citizenship, never come to visit again, pay an exit tax, and continue paying taxes on your income and investments for 10 years following your leave. Despite these outrageous costs, more than 700 Americans renounced their citizenship in 2009. Up from 235 in 2008.
by Bendira » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:35 pm
NERVUN wrote:Bendira wrote:But the only way violence has ever been accepted by society is when it is far removed from people, or people have been psychologically conditioned to kill. Give a random person a hatchet and ask them to kill somebody for the betterment of society, and im willing to bet most wouldn't do it.
Really?
by Auremena » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:38 pm
by DaWoad » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:39 pm
by Rick Rollin » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:39 pm
Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Bendira wrote:Chrobalta wrote:Bendira wrote:So yes, anybody that has opened this is already steaming. But I want to ask a simple question here. How is taxation not theft? You are forced to pay, and if you refuse you are imprisoned. I can understand if you think taxation is a necessary evil, but denying that it is theft outright seems completely rediculous to me.
Theft is illegal. Taxation is legal. Learn the difference, it could save your life.
Its not legal under natural law. And just because it is legal does not mean its not theft.
Cite the "natural law" that makes it illegal.
You shall not violently aggress against others?
And that comes from what?
The history of human's rejection of violence?
So completely imaginary then?
I dont think you have ever brought anything intelligent to a topic I have ever made.
But the only way violence has ever been accepted by society is when it is far removed from people, or people have been psychologically conditioned to kill. Give a random person a hatchet and ask them to kill somebody for the betterment of society, and im willing to bet most wouldn't do it.
by JJ Place » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:39 pm
by NERVUN » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:39 pm
Bendira wrote:NERVUN wrote:Bendira wrote:But the only way violence has ever been accepted by society is when it is far removed from people, or people have been psychologically conditioned to kill. Give a random person a hatchet and ask them to kill somebody for the betterment of society, and im willing to bet most wouldn't do it.
Really?
So if I walked up to you, handed you a hatchet, and told you to kill somebody because it would benefit society, you would do it?
Thats an experiment conducted by psychologists.
Natural law is something that can be found in nearly every religion and society. Clearly the entire human history of religous and societal advocacy of non-violence overshadows one experiment conducted at Yale University.The only reason violence continues in our society (such as taxation) is because the violence is not obvious, and we are conditioned from birth to believe certain acts of violence to be morally acceptable. But ask somebody to kill somebody themselves, and they will have a very hard time.
I briefly skimmed the article on the experiment, but I saw no mention of the person being able to watch the person they are shocking die. If that is the case, it actually proves my point, which is that the only way violence is propagated is when you are removed from it, or coerced by an authority figure.
by Norstal » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:39 pm
Bendira wrote:NERVUN wrote:Bendira wrote:But the only way violence has ever been accepted by society is when it is far removed from people, or people have been psychologically conditioned to kill. Give a random person a hatchet and ask them to kill somebody for the betterment of society, and im willing to bet most wouldn't do it.
Really?
So if I walked up to you, handed you a hatchet, and told you to kill somebody because it would benefit society, you would do it?
Thats an experiment conducted by psychologists.
Natural law is something that can be found in nearly every religion and society. Clearly the entire human history of religous and societal advocacy of non-violence overshadows one experiment conducted at Yale University.The only reason violence continues in our society (such as taxation) is because the violence is not obvious, and we are conditioned from birth to believe certain acts of violence to be morally acceptable. But ask somebody to kill somebody themselves, and they will have a very hard time.
I briefly skimmed the article on the experiment, but I saw no mention of the person being able to watch the person they are shocking die. If that is the case, it actually proves my point, which is that the only way violence is propagated is when you are removed from it, or coerced by an authority figure.
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by Jervak » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:41 pm
by Rick Rollin » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:41 pm
Auremena wrote:There should not be money, so taxation is useless.
by NERVUN » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:42 pm
Sibirsky wrote:As far as leaving the country, you have to renounce your citizenship, never come to visit again, pay an exit tax, and continue paying taxes on your income and investments for 10 years following your leave. Despite these outrageous costs, more than 700 Americans renounced their citizenship in 2009. Up from 235 in 2008.
by Picklepoo » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:42 pm
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