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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:While modern humans and dinosaurs did not live side by side, some species of dinosaur were able to survive in to the earliest part of the Paleocene. The changes in climate and food types rendered them extinct.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/02 ... sci-dinos2

Meaningless. No type of human and no type of dinosaur (except birds, of course) have ever existed together.

No modern humans but there was a fellow by the name of Purgatorius. Perhaps you've seen him? Short little guy. Lots of hair. Beady black eyes.
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Postby Straughn » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:48 am

HOW many different links are there to "facepalm"?
Are there even enough?

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:49 am

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:There are a million things the Bible does not mention. You would think if God was so omniscient, he would have mentioned those things in his book.


I'll bet you it's the last time God uses ghost writers. ;)
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:03 am

Triblios wrote:
BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Triblios wrote:*snip Dyakovo*

Darnnit, We would've gotten away with it if it was for you mediling kid.


What's wrong with your spelling checker? Mine gives "meddling" as the first suggestion for that.

Confusion with "medalling" I could understand, but "mediling" sounds like some kind of therapeutic fish.


Sorry, i was using IE at the time of that post. From now on,i will only use Firefox and Safari and not IE unless i overload Firefox with tabs.
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oh yeah,thats why i was using IE.


There are add-ons for IE.

But I wasn't really offended at the spelling. Just farting around.
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:09 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:There are a million things the Bible does not mention. You would think if God was so omniscient, he would have mentioned those things in his book.


I'll bet you it's the last time God uses ghost writers. ;)


I dunno. The co-authoring with Muhammed contains a few contradictions too.

Perhaps it's time He scripted, directed and starred in a feature-length movie. Not that many people read a whole book these days.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:12 am

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:There are a million things the Bible does not mention. You would think if God was so omniscient, he would have mentioned those things in his book.


I'll bet you it's the last time God uses ghost writers. ;)


I dunno. The co-authoring with Muhammed contains a few contradictions too.

Perhaps it's time He scripted, directed and starred in a feature-length movie. Not that many people read a whole book these days.

Maybe a late night talk show. I bet He would get all the good guests. One would expect God to have the funniest monologues too. *nod*
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:23 am

Cameroi wrote:"creationists" misread their own scriptures.
which don't mention chewing gum or pizza either.


Chewing gum? PIZZA??

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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:30 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:*snip USOA*

I'll bet you it's the last time God uses ghost writers. ;)


I dunno. The co-authoring with Muhammed contains a few contradictions too.

Perhaps it's time He scripted, directed and starred in a feature-length movie. Not that many people read a whole book these days.

Maybe a late night talk show. I bet He would get all the good guests. One would expect God to have the funniest monologues too. *nod*


I'm not happy with people finding God in the comfort of their own living-room. I want them all in one big room together. Like a church, but with better AV equipment. If they all go bad crazy at the same time, the national guard can sort them out.

You really want people finding God in an environment containing pets, firearms, cooking equipment and children ? You're even less responsible than I thought !
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Postby Straughn » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:32 am

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:Just farting around.
Hey, be a dear and keep all the farting in one general vicinity please. Packs a better wallop when you light it.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:36 am

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
I dunno. The co-authoring with Muhammed contains a few contradictions too.

Perhaps it's time He scripted, directed and starred in a feature-length movie. Not that many people read a whole book these days.

Maybe a late night talk show. I bet He would get all the good guests. One would expect God to have the funniest monologues too. *nod*


I'm not happy with people finding God in the comfort of their own living-room. I want them all in one big room together. Like a church, but with better AV equipment. If they all go bad crazy at the same time, the national guard can sort them out.

You really want people finding God in an environment containing pets, firearms, cooking equipment and children ? You're even less responsible than I thought !

Thank you. :)
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:41 am

Straughn wrote:
BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:Just farting around.
Hey, be a dear and keep all the farting in one general vicinity please. Packs a better wallop when you light it.



Heya Straughn. Haven't seen you until now on the new server. :)


My farts are non-flammable, thank you very much. My diet consists of pop-candy and soda pop, so they contain enough CO2 that my butt makes an effective fire-extinguisher !
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:43 am

I think the concept of dragons evolved from one of man's feral instincts to fear lizardlike creatures (alligators, crocodiles, komodo dragons, etc) and when our ancestors whom knew far less about the Universe than we did saw the remains of giant lizardlike creatures and said "Yep, dragons!"
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Postby Straughn » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:46 am

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Heya Straughn. Haven't seen you until now on the new server. :)
That would be my new life with my two little dudes. Not much time for computers as much as diapers, et cetera.
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BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:My farts are non-flammable, thank you very much. My diet consists of pop-candy and soda pop, so they contain enough CO2 that my butt makes an effective fire-extinguisher !
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Postby Gelgisith » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:36 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Gelgisith wrote:Oh, and Pern isn't, by far, the only place dragons come from.

do I need to start adding [Facetious][/Facetious] tags as well to the posts that qualify along with the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] in current use for the sarcastic posts? :blink:
maybe I'll just put a disclaimer in my sig that serious posts will carry an annotation as such, it might be easier. :p

Sorry...I have this thing that makes it hard for me to recognize that sort of things... I'll be more generous.

Grays Harbor wrote:aren't dragons also from RingWorld?

And from Earthsea, &c...

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Vetalia wrote:Just imagine Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, except the T-Rex is breathing fire.

There's always Reign of Fire.

Probably the worst movie featuring dragons of all time. Can't even get their topography straight.
And that's only the start of it...I could launch into a two page rant about all the things wrong with it, so i won't. At least, not here.


Aggicificicerous wrote:
Stupid Creationist Website wrote:According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs “ruled the Earth” for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), and their bones do not have labels attached telling how old they are. The idea of millions of years of evolution is just the evolutionists’ story about the past. No scientist was there to see the dinosaurs live through this supposed dinosaur age. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that the world and its fossil layers are millions of years old.

This is why creationists don't mix well with science.

Just an example of what i mean with creationism changing facts to fit the dogma.

UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:There are a million things the Bible does not mention. You would think if God was so omniscient, he would have mentioned those things in his book.

Today's major ethical problems of stem cell research, euthanasia & abortion, for example...not to mention the myriad of issue that we don't even know about yet.
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:11 am

Gelgisith wrote:Probably the worst movie featuring dragons of all time. Can't even get their topography straight.


I don't know why everyone says this. Regardless of whether it's a good film or not, the film is predominately set in Northumbria, famed for its Castles and home to the Pennine mountains, the topography is fine.
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Postby Gelgisith » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:27 am

No Names Left Damn It wrote:
Gelgisith wrote:Probably the worst movie featuring dragons of all time. Can't even get their topography straight.

I don't know why everyone says this. Regardless of whether it's a good film or not, the film is predominately set in Northumbria, famed for its Castles and home to the Pennine mountains, the topography is fine.

Except Northumbria is nowhere between Manchester & London, the places the yanks supposedly landed & were headed for. It's like travelling from Atlanta to Miami through Tennessee.
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:29 am

Gelgisith wrote:Except Northumbria is nowhere between Manchester & London, the places the yanks supposedly landed & were headed for. It's like travelling from Atlanta to Miami through Alabama.


Well that would be geography, not topography, and anyway, for all you know the Americans knew the castle still had survivors, or maybe the roads south east were blocked/dragon infested or whatever.
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Postby Gelgisith » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:38 am

No Names Left Damn It wrote:
Gelgisith wrote:Except Northumbria is nowhere between Manchester & London, the places the yanks supposedly landed & were headed for. It's like travelling from Atlanta to Miami through North Carolina.


Well that would be geography, not topography, and anyway, for all you know the Americans knew the castle still had survivors, or maybe the roads south east were blocked/dragon infested or whatever.

The whole country, nay, the whole world was infested, remember?
Anyway, that is just one (and not even the biggest) problem i have with the movie, so let's leave it there...
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:41 am

Gelgisith wrote:The whole country, nay, the whole world was infested, remember?


Right, but some parts will obviously be worse than others, and it would probably be quicker to go north over the top of the Pennines then down the east coast than try and force your way across a mountain range whose roads haven't been maintaned for over a decade.
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No Names Left Damn It wrote:
Gelgisith wrote:The whole country, nay, the whole world was infested, remember?


Right, but some parts will obviously be worse than others, and it would probably be quicker to go north over the top of the Pennines then down the east coast than try and force your way across a mountain range whose roads haven't been maintaned for over a decade.

If they wanted to avoid the mountains, they should've gone South to Stoke-on-Trent & turn Southeast from there.
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:55 am

Gelgisith wrote:If they wanted to avoid the mountains, they should've gone South to Stoke-on-Trent & turn Southeast from there.


Still fairly hilly, plus the dense population levels of the pre-dragon West Midlands would probably result in a higher incidence of roadblocks and crashes etc on the roads, as well as a higher number of dragons.
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No Names Left Damn It wrote:
Gelgisith wrote:If they wanted to avoid the mountains, they should've gone South to Stoke-on-Trent & turn Southeast from there.


Still fairly hilly, plus the dense population levels of the pre-dragon West Midlands would probably result in a higher incidence of roadblocks and crashes etc on the roads, as well as a higher number of dragons.

You're just not going to give in, are you? Anyway, i think i've made my point, and this isn't about dismal dragon movies, so i'll leave it here.
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Postby Muravyets » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:48 am

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Lake Placid's set in Britain now?

Hence the use of the word "confused". Seriously.
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Postby Muravyets » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:58 am

SaintB wrote:I think the concept of dragons evolved from one of man's feral instincts to fear lizardlike creatures (alligators, crocodiles, komodo dragons, etc) and when our ancestors whom knew far less about the Universe than we did saw the remains of giant lizardlike creatures and said "Yep, dragons!"

That was in Asia. In Europe, they said "Yep, giants." See Pliny the Elder's tourist guides to the Greek Islands for all the best places to view "giant bones" (sometimes even identified as the bones of Herakles or the bones of Orestes, etc) in shrines in all the hot ancient vacation spots. I saw a History Channel show about it once't.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:01 am

Muravyets wrote:
SaintB wrote:I think the concept of dragons evolved from one of man's feral instincts to fear lizardlike creatures (alligators, crocodiles, komodo dragons, etc) and when our ancestors whom knew far less about the Universe than we did saw the remains of giant lizardlike creatures and said "Yep, dragons!"

That was in Asia. In Europe, they said "Yep, giants." See Pliny the Elder's tourist guides to the Greek Islands for all the best places to view "giant bones" (sometimes even identified as the bones of Herakles or the bones of Orestes, etc) in shrines in all the hot ancient vacation spots. I saw a History Channel show about it once't.

A show in the History Channel I missed??!? It must have been on at the same time as Mythbusters.....
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