1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT]

[Danceria]

I thought he was with me now? He's brought his little sandcastle under my roof after Trace kicked him out.

Aw shit, he's breaking into houses again, ain't he...

Let's hope that Dancerias big brother, breaking-and-entering fantasies don't break lose and get this thread locked by mods

I'm not planning on doing anything! Save for give Selino a good stern word or four...

I didn't think he'd be so...

[Seinlo]

Wait, if some nations have 10 year tech boosts, does that mean people have telephones and light bulbs? The patent that Bell got was given in 1876, while Thomas Edison made the first practical electric bulb in 1879.

[Togeria]

Anywho time to finish my app

[Novacom]

Wait, if some nations have 10 year tech boosts, does that mean people have telephones and light bulbs? The patent that Bell got was given in 1876, while Thomas Edison made the first practical electric bulb in 1879.

No, and you honestly didn't pay any attention to the whole crap storm, the ten year bonus has been nullified for the most part.

Also just because it was made in that year doesn't mean their wide spread, something existing doesn't mean it's ready or even practical or viable to be wide spread...

[Seinlo]

Wait, if some nations have 10 year tech boosts, does that mean people have telephones and light bulbs? The patent that Bell got was given in 1876, while Thomas Edison made the first practical electric bulb in 1879.

No, and you honestly didn't pay any attention to the whole crap storm, the ten year bonus has been nullified for the most part.

Also just because it was made in that year doesn't mean their wide spread, something existing doesn't mean it's ready or even practical or viable to be wide spread...

Okay.

[South Mauristan]

Wait, if some nations have 10 year tech boosts, does that mean people have telephones and light bulbs? The patent that Bell got was given in 1876, while Thomas Edison made the first practical electric bulb in 1879.

No, and you honestly didn't pay any attention to the whole crap storm, the ten year bonus has been nullified for the most part.

Also just because it was made in that year doesn't mean their wide spread, something existing doesn't mean it's ready or even practical or viable to be wide spread...

There has been a lot of backwardsing and forwardsing regarding tech and different tech groups. Could we please solidify something and put it in the OP or collect the details somewhere so everyone is on the same page.

[Conchabira]

Full Nation Name :Royaume de Bourgogne, Kingdom of Burgundy
Majority/Official Culture : Burgundian
Territorial Core : Map of Glorious Burgundy
Territorial Claim : Corsica, Southern Netherlands, South Africa, Java, Sumatra, Borneo
Capital City : Dijon
Population :
Burgundy-22.3 Million
Algeirs-3 Million (Of which 300,000 are Colons)
Cameroun-2 Million
Burgundian Guiana-35,000
Sud Afrique-460,000 (Of which 151,800 are Colons, 35,000 Couleurs)
Burgundian Malaya-2.8 Million (Of which 135,000 are Colons)
Nouveau Flandre- 545,000
Government Type : de facto Absolute Monarchy, de jure Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :
Imperialist-Burgundy seeks to expand its overseas holdings in Africa and Asia.
Revanchist-Burgundy seeks to reclaim the "lost" provinces in the Southern Netherlands.
Government Focus : The government seeks to continue to expand economically by continuing to promote industry and by investing in the colonies. The government is very eager to expand abroad with focus on Asia and South Africa in particular. Though not a primary focus it is considered etiquette to promote the concept of reclaiming the Netherlands, but it isn't really a priority.
Head of State : King Charles V, King of Burgundy and Savoy
Head of Government : Chancellor Henri Vauban
Government Description :
The Burgundian government is a monarchy in which the revered King rules for the most part as he wishes. There is a parliament, though it is dominated by loyal royalists and the rich. A constitution does exist which serves as a bill of rights, granting essential rights such as freedom of religion, right to a trial by jury, and non-seditious speech. The populace nominate representatives to the parliament, though only candidates that have been approved by the monarch may be nominated. Recently the progressive chancellor, a supposed descendant of the famous general Vauban, has legalized all non-socialist trade unions. The king serves as a powerful executive, having the power to propose legislation and immediately calling a vote upon it in the unicameral Estates General. The king may also veto legislation.
Majority/State Religion : (I'm not positive of what the current status of Christianity is right now in the timeline) Roman Catholicism

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production :Coal, Steel, Wool, Textiles, Glass, Wheat, Wine, Fruit, Cattle, Manganese, Lead, Sugar, Nickel
Economic Description :
Burgundy is a highly industrialized economy, with significant contributions from agriculture as well. Due to easy access to iron and coal Burgundy was at the forefront of the industrial revolution and remains one of the worlds largest steel producers. Burgundy's large coal reserves have made it into a coal exporter. The textiles industry also thrives, especially around the capital of Dijon. The industry is supplied with cheap wool from Nouveau Flandre and cheap cotton from Guiana and Algeirs. There is a significant glass making industry in the Belgian region. Cash crops are grown in the colonies.
Army Strength :
Due to its precarious situation in Europe Burgundy has been forced to develop a strong military in order to survive. Instead of maintaining a large standing army Burgundy relies upon a well developed mobilization system, with the capability to muster up potentially one million men in as little as a week. The railroad system in Burgundy is one of the most developed in the world, coupled with a spectacular road network and telegraph system garrisons can be formed overnight and troop moved to border forts in a night. All able bodied men between the ages of 17 and 36 are required to register for the draft with their local Gendarmes office. At least twice a month individuals registered for the draft must report to their Gendarmes office for one day of training which largely consists of learning how to shoot and use a weapon as well as basic tactics. Currently there is a standing army of 200,000 in Burgundy, a detachment of 23,000 stationed in Sud Afrique, 3,500 stationed in Cameroun, and 5,500 stationed in Malaya. Guiana and Nouveau Flandre both raise their own militias. The Gendarmes, which are similar to a National Guard, though it is technically not part of the military. They serve as an elite national police force and are organized under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior. 65,000 serve throughout Burgundy. The main deterrent for foreign forces is the large defensive system of forts that has existed since Vauban. These forts stretch along the eastern border and are regularly updated and repaired. The western border however is relatively open and lacks major defenses.
Army Weakness :In times of war the majority of the army is made up of inexperienced conscripts. This results in the army often having a shortage of officers during war time and being forced to call upon officers in training or retired officers in order to fill the ranks. Because of this the troops have less discipline than most other professional European armies.
Naval Strength :
The Burgundian navy is among the most powerful and respected in Europe. It has long been at the forefront of innovation in naval warfare. The navy has acquired several ironclads but these are mostly deployed in Europe and have been found to only be applicable in coastal waters. The navy consists of 3 fleets. The Atlantic Fleet, the Mediterranean Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. The Atlantic Fleet docks in Calais, Antwerp, and Douala. The Mediterranean Fleet docks at Marseille and at Algeirs. The Pacific Fleet docks at Singapore and at Vauban (Wellington). The Atlantic Fleet consists of 15 armored frigates, 6 ironclads, 80 sloops of war, and 65 frigates. The Mediterranean fleet consists of 5 armored frigates, 10 ironclads, 65 sloops of war and 45 frigates.
The Pacific Fleet consists of 11 armored frigates, 2 ironclads, 40 sloops of war and 32 frigates.
Naval Weakness :
The Burgundian navy is small in comparison to other European navies as it focuses on quality over quantity.
Further Military Description :
Standard infantry rifle: Mertens Rifle (Chassepot)

National Goals :
1:Reclaim the Southern Netherlands
2:Expand colonies
3:Professionalize and expand the military
National Issues :
1:Reforms in order to deter socialism
2:The army needs to be expanded and further trained

History :
I have the history portion completed, I am just working out details with Waz and Ryg.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 4
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
Sorry for taking so long, I had to cover for a friend and so I worked almost 12 hours today.

[Elerian]

-Snip-

I believe at least New Zealand and Malay are taken.

[Novacom]

-Snip-

I believe at least New Zealand and Malay are taken.

Indeed they are plus someone did express an interest in a North African Nation, so the colonial claims can be put on to a degree but they are expendable if a player wants a homeland there.

[Seinlo]

After taking a little break (except for a small convo with someone in another thread, and some silly TET posts), I am fine. I also just got a TG from Ikky telling me that I can be Persia ^_^ That means a new app, but it'll be fun to figure things out. IDK if I'll have colonies, though, and if I do, the natives won't be very happy xD

Please reserve me the current Persia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. I might have conquered Yemen and Oman, acquiring land on the Hormuz Strait, and acquiring the Gulf of Aden, and the land on the other side that gives me control of that Gulf. If so, I'll have Madagascar, and the islands that I wanted, but that'll be it. I might not take those, though, as Persia, Pakistan, and Afghhanistan are prob enough (of course, I need land on the Strait of Hormuz, and the Gulf of Aden, so that'll stay). If I don't take Pakistan and Afghanistan, then I might take the islands, but I dunno... would I do that? I mean, if I have a naval presence in the Indian Ocean, then I'll need the islands, but so far nothing is certain, and my territory will probably end up much different. I don't want a massive amount of colonies, either, so there's that/

I'll work on it, and see how it goes, but not tonight.

Full Nation Name :Royaume de Bourgogne, Kingdom of Burgundy
Majority/Official Culture : Burgundian
Territorial Core : Map of Glorious Burgundy
Territorial Claim : Corsica, Southern Netherlands, South Africa, Java, Sumatra, Borneo
Capital City : Dijon
Population :
Burgundy-22.3 Million
Algeirs-3 Million (Of which 300,000 are Colons)
Cameroun-2 Million
Burgundian Guiana-35,000
Sud Afrique-460,000 (Of which 151,800 are Colons, 35,000 Couleurs)
Burgundian Malaya-2.8 Million (Of which 135,000 are Colons)
Nouveau Flandre- 545,000
Government Type : de facto Absolute Monarchy, de jure Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies :
Imperialist-Burgundy seeks to expand its overseas holdings in Africa and Asia.
Revanchist-Burgundy seeks to reclaim the "lost" provinces in the Southern Netherlands.
Government Focus : The government seeks to continue to expand economically by continuing to promote industry and by investing in the colonies. The government is very eager to expand abroad with focus on Asia and South Africa in particular. Though not a primary focus it is considered etiquette to promote the concept of reclaiming the Netherlands, but it isn't really a priority.
Head of State : King Charles V, King of Burgundy and Savoy
Head of Government : Chancellor Henri Vauban
Government Description :
The Burgundian government is a monarchy in which the revered King rules for the most part as he wishes. There is a parliament, though it is dominated by loyal royalists and the rich. A constitution does exist which serves as a bill of rights, granting essential rights such as freedom of religion, right to a trial by jury, and non-seditious speech. The populace nominate representatives to the parliament, though only candidates that have been approved by the monarch may be nominated. Recently the progressive chancellor, a supposed descendant of the famous general Vauban, has legalized all non-socialist trade unions. The king serves as a powerful executive, having the power to propose legislation and immediately calling a vote upon it in the unicameral Estates General. The king may also veto legislation.
Majority/State Religion : (I'm not positive of what the current status of Christianity is right now in the timeline) Roman Catholicism

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production :Coal, Steel, Wool, Textiles, Glass, Wheat, Wine, Fruit, Cattle, Manganese, Lead, Sugar, Nickel
Economic Description :
Burgundy is a highly industrialized economy, with significant contributions from agriculture as well. Due to easy access to iron and coal Burgundy was at the forefront of the industrial revolution and remains one of the worlds largest steel producers. Burgundy's large coal reserves have made it into a coal exporter. The textiles industry also thrives, especially around the capital of Dijon. The industry is supplied with cheap wool from Nouveau Flandre and cheap cotton from Guiana and Algeirs. There is a significant glass making industry in the Belgian region. Cash crops are grown in the colonies.
Army Strength :
Due to its precarious situation in Europe Burgundy has been forced to develop a strong military in order to survive. Instead of maintaining a large standing army Burgundy relies upon a well developed mobilization system, with the capability to muster up potentially one million men in as little as a week. The railroad system in Burgundy is one of the most developed in the world, coupled with a spectacular road network and telegraph system garrisons can be formed overnight and troop moved to border forts in a night. All able bodied men between the ages of 17 and 36 are required to register for the draft with their local Gendarmes office. At least twice a month individuals registered for the draft must report to their Gendarmes office for one day of training which largely consists of learning how to shoot and use a weapon as well as basic tactics. Currently there is a standing army of 200,000 in Burgundy, a detachment of 23,000 stationed in Sud Afrique, 3,500 stationed in Cameroun, and 5,500 stationed in Malaya. Guiana and Nouveau Flandre both raise their own militias. The Gendarmes, which are similar to a National Guard, though it is technically not part of the military. They serve as an elite national police force and are organized under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior. 65,000 serve throughout Burgundy. The main deterrent for foreign forces is the large defensive system of forts that has existed since Vauban. These forts stretch along the eastern border and are regularly updated and repaired. The western border however is relatively open and lacks major defenses.
Army Weakness :In times of war the majority of the army is made up of inexperienced conscripts. This results in the army often having a shortage of officers during war time and being forced to call upon officers in training or retired officers in order to fill the ranks. Because of this the troops have less discipline than most other professional European armies.
Naval Strength :
The Burgundian navy is among the most powerful and respected in Europe. It has long been at the forefront of innovation in naval warfare. The navy has acquired several ironclads but these are mostly deployed in Europe and have been found to only be applicable in coastal waters. The navy consists of 3 fleets. The Atlantic Fleet, the Mediterranean Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. The Atlantic Fleet docks in Calais, Antwerp, and Douala. The Mediterranean Fleet docks at Marseille and at Algeirs. The Pacific Fleet docks at Singapore and at Vauban (Wellington). The Atlantic Fleet consists of 15 armored frigates, 6 ironclads, 80 sloops of war, and 65 frigates. The Mediterranean fleet consists of 5 armored frigates, 10 ironclads, 65 sloops of war and 45 frigates.
The Pacific Fleet consists of 11 armored frigates, 2 ironclads, 40 sloops of war and 32 frigates.
Naval Weakness :
The Burgundian navy is small in comparison to other European navies as it focuses on quality over quantity.
Further Military Description :
Standard infantry rifle: Mertens Rifle (Chassepot)

National Goals :
1:Reclaim the Southern Netherlands
2:Expand colonies
3:Professionalize and expand the military
National Issues :
1:Reforms in order to deter socialism
2:The army needs to be expanded and further trained

History :
I have the history portion completed, I am just working out details with Waz and Ryg.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 4
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
Sorry for taking so long, I had to cover for a friend and so I worked almost 12 hours today.

Just be aware that Helghan has a claim on South Africa, too

Also, another nation has Java.

[Conchabira]

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I believe at least New Zealand and Malay are taken.

I understand that there's a conflict with New Zealand and I may have to abandon it, but I reserved Malaya on the first page.

[Saint Ryvern]

Why does everyone need to have colonies? Compensate within your own country, people.

[Seinlo]

On second thought, I'm going to rethink adding any territory to Persia except for maybe Zanzibar, trade posts, naval bases, and such for my trade routes and trade relations, and, of course, some small islands. That way, I can build Persia up.

I think that if I stop changing what nation I'm interested in, that I might actually get approved, too, so there's that. I dunno, I'm finicky until I actually get something completed and approved.

[Novacom]

I believe at least New Zealand and Malay are taken.

I understand that there's a conflict with New Zealand and I may have to abandon it, but I reserved Malaya on the first page.

Homelands > Colonies

[Seinlo]

Why does everyone need to have colonies? Compensate within your own country, people.

I was actually going to remove the colonies from Persia, and only keep some islands, and the stuff I mentioned above that I'm too lazy to type out again.

[Conchabira]

I understand that there's a conflict with New Zealand and I may have to abandon it, but I reserved Malaya on the first page.

Homelands > Colonies

All he has is a reservation, and one that it about to expire (literally in less than 1 hour and 20 minutes).

[Danceria]

Why does everyone need to have colonies? Compensate within your own country, people.

Because glory.

[Saint Ryvern]

Why does everyone need to have colonies? Compensate within your own country, people.

Because glory.

If your nation has so little glory that it needs a colony to make up for its deficit, your country doesn't deserve a colony.

[Novacom]

Homelands > Colonies

All he has is a reservation, and one that it about to expire (literally in less than 1 hour and 20 minutes).

A returning Player has part of his homeland there and given he's been active his claim hasn't expired, returning players if they are active get more leeway.

[Conchabira]

Why does everyone need to have colonies? Compensate within your own country, people.

Because glory.

Because we are the champions...

[Newne Carriebean7]

Full Nation Name : Al Sahara Kirvani Dynastic Sultanate
Majority/Official Culture : Moroccan
Territorial Core : Morocco, Libya and Tunisia
Territorial Claim : the rest of Algeria
Capital City : Casablanca (called Casa Housini)
Population : 3.523 million

Government Type : Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : The Sultanate is torn between an old generation of neutrality that is rapidly fading and a new generation of modern radicals that want to bring the nation into the 19th century kicking and screaming. There are two main groups, the alrruuws albayda', or white heads, and the ruasa' al'ahmar or red heads. The White Heads represent the old order that wishes to maintain the traditions of the nation and not to modernize,relying on the teachings of Allah and negotiation, they are mainly led by the older heads of state and former town overseers. The Red Heads are much younger and often leave the nation to seek out other western style technologies and loans from foreign lands. They mainly wish to take the nation into the modern age and invite western capitalists to invest in the nation. As the second group is in charge of the Armed forces, they are trying their hardest to modernize the armed forces, with limited success as of yet.
Government Focus : The nation is currently testing the waters and has several different focuses they are working on, with a mainly western style education system getting a majority of rescources, and a small textile industry starting up with investors. The military is getting the butt's end of funding, and as such they flock to the ruasa' al'ahmar ranks and are
Head of State : Prince Jafar Agbar
Head of Government : King Hasha Agbar Sr.
Government Description : the Government of Al Sahara as it is called is based entirely on the power balance between the Son, who commands the army,navy and the armed forces, and the Father, who is in charge of running the nation, the house of Shalez, a local ministry of 120 elders that vote on issues, they are appointed equally with a 60/60 split between Hasha and Jafar. There are no elections, as the elders rule until death or five years before 90, in which they may appoint a successor via a smoked leaf. There is a strong sense of loyalty only to whomever either put them in power first or whom pays them the most, and corruption runs rampant throughout the government.

Majority/State Religion :
Religious Description :

Economic Ideologies : Mercantalism
Major Production : Wool,Spices,local medicines and precious metals.
Economic Description : the economy of Al Sahara is mainly dependent on Imports from local tribes that have not fully allied with, but are ambivalent towards the feuding nobility on either side. It sells local materials that western nations need and want for a small profit, although they are often ripped off in price and forced into unequal economic treaties that fuel the flames of revolution more.

Army Strength : Slightly modernized, with a large number of peasant infantry armed with local guns made from gunsmiths that take dedicated time in getting paid for their hard work. the field cannons of the army are brand new,but only in a few dozen total.
Army Weakness : The number of heavy guns are minute and the average peasant has not a lot of experience in using the new European style weapons given to them. The men also have to take orders from the Prince and not the King, which brings up loyalty issues again.
Naval Strength : The Saharan Fleet is rather of modest size,with several ships having armored plates and several of them being the first vessels in the navy since it's conception. a total of 1 Ironclad 6 steam ships and 11 small gunboats are modern ships in the nation. The Navy also has dozens of traditional wooden galleys, and talks are underway for a new class of steam galleys that will free up manpower needed for more weapons.
Naval Weakness : Outdated and has old admirals that are stuck in the past, many of the sailors turn to piracy,which may get foreign powers involved and is seen as one of the more wreck less branches to the Saharan nation, with little oversight.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : Modernize the nation via getting foreign investors in the nation to build up railroads, factories and shipyards for the armed forces and the economy of the nation.
National Issues :The nation needs to figure out how to modernize within a short period of time, but there are several major obstacles.
1. Scores of local tribes are leading several resistance movements,many of whom did not want to be part of the union in the first place, and instead of modernizing the army, more focus in put on defeating the rebels using traditional methods, as a major fear is the rebels acquiring the western guns and turning them agaisnt the nation's army in a bloody revolution.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bullet point timeline.]]
1756- Prince Calfar begins the Morrocan Empire under the Al Calfarbagdagi Dynasty (1756-1790) by uniting the first 18 of 20 local tribes that were scattered after a collapse in the 17th century.
1760 Prince Calfar, with the nation behind him, attempts to invade east into Algeria, and fails, himself dying on the trip.
1772- Prince Calfar II, his successor, invades east into Algeria Again and makes headway this time, conquering the sandy nation.
1790, Al Sarwai Kohrani overthrows Prince Calfar III and declares the a Sultanate instead. the Khonari Dynastic sultanate (1790-1810) is formed.
1791-1800 Kohrani begins several modernization efforts, including the first shipyard in 1796 with help from France.
1800- rebel nobles, upset at paying high taxes and feeling Kohrani is pushing the nation too much revolt and attempts to overthrow him, but this leads to a devastating civil war that results in the rebels being defeated.
1810- taking Advantage of the political instability, Kirvani Agbar and his forces overthrow Kohrani and start a new dynasty,The Al Sahara Agbar Dynasty, and this dynasty has ruled the nation to the present day.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

[Novacom]

Because glory.

If your nation has so little glory that it needs a colony to make up for its deficit, your country doesn't deserve a colony.

Agreeing there and in this timeline for the most part a lot of people are going to have to carve colonies out of actual players good luck to most.

[Danceria]

If your nation has so little glory that it needs a colony to make up for its deficit, your country doesn't deserve a colony.

Agreeing there and in this timeline for the most part a lot of people are going to have to carve colonies out of actual players good luck to most.

Very well.

Remove Colonial Empire.

("Remove Kebab plays in reverse until it fades to nothingness")

[Conchabira]

All he has is a reservation, and one that it about to expire (literally in less than 1 hour and 20 minutes).

A returning Player has part of his homeland there and given he's been active his claim hasn't expired, returning players if they are active get more leeway.

Could you clarify who, because I'm seeing three different people trying to claim that territory.
Because if it's Trotza you're referring to, he doesn't actually own Malaya.

Also since I realize that I'm not going to get NZ, im going to reserve Fiji and The Solomon's instead.

[Saint Ryvern]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to (at least temporarily) withdraw myself (and therefore my land reservation) from the roleplay. There's just not enough time for me to create a proper application before my trip. Mostly because something came up tomorrow that will occupy most of my day, and almost all of my energy. I will apply again once I return, wherever there is land available (if there's any left at that point). I do wish I had more time, this roleplay seems like so much fun.