I don't see it :c sigh, I'll keep looking
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by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:53 am
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:54 am
Cymrea wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Because unlike the West which fell into the Dark Ages and lost the knowledge of Antiquity, the Byzantines maintained it, and constantly remained more advanced than the West in countless aspects for most of their history. The transfer of some of that knowledge through the migration that was caused by the fall of Constantinople marked the Renaissance.
The Dark Ages was the direct result of the Church suppressing education or even literacy among any but it's higher echelons. Even monarchs were often illiterate. With the only literates adhering strictly to religious doctrine, there's not a lot of innovation. If the Byzantines didn't do that then knowledges spread.
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:54 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Seinlo wrote:With my borders with and close proximity to Rome, as well as the nature of the guidance, I'm assuming that my nation would have more occur than assimilating some Roman culture and law. Could someone tell mw what those would be? I mean, I get that we would have been the ones to give them knowledge and thw like, but what would happen to /us/?
Difficult to say. You are Muslim, and there is a desert between us.
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:55 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Seinlo wrote:With my borders with and close proximity to Rome, as well as the nature of the guidance, I'm assuming that my nation would have more occur than assimilating some Roman culture and law. Could someone tell mw what those would be? I mean, I get that we would have been the ones to give them knowledge and thw like, but what would happen to /us/?
Difficult to say. You are Muslim, and there is a desert between us.
by Novacom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:55 am
Cymrea wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Because unlike the West which fell into the Dark Ages and lost the knowledge of Antiquity, the Byzantines maintained it, and constantly remained more advanced than the West in countless aspects for most of their history. The transfer of some of that knowledge through the migration that was caused by the fall of Constantinople marked the Renaissance.
The Dark Ages was the direct result of the Church suppressing education or even literacy among any but it's higher echelons. Even monarchs were often illiterate. With the only literates adhering strictly to religious doctrine, there's not a lot of innovation. If the Byzantines didn't do that then knowledges spread.
by Novacom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:56 am
Seinlo wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Difficult to say. You are Muslim, and there is a desert between us.
Oh, I see it. Yes, but the reason that you became so advanced was in part thanks to your contact with Islam. Right? I mean, Islam had algebra while Europe was full of idiots and bad maths, so I think this is abit right.
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:57 am
Seinlo wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Difficult to say. You are Muslim, and there is a desert between us.
Oh, I see it. Yes, but the reason that you became so advanced was in part thanks to your contact with Islam. Right? I mean, Islam had algebra while Europe was full of idiots and bad maths, so I think this is abit right.
by Old Tyrannia » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:57 am
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:57 am
Novacom wrote:Seinlo wrote:
Oh, I see it. Yes, but the reason that you became so advanced was in part thanks to your contact with Islam. Right? I mean, Islam had algebra while Europe was full of idiots and bad maths, so I think this is abit right.
Seinlo I'll save everyone a headache, you count as Islamic tech group with all the disadvantages and advantages it had, history changed Islam didn't get as advanced. End Of.
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:58 am
Novacom wrote:Cymrea wrote:The Dark Ages was the direct result of the Church suppressing education or even literacy among any but it's higher echelons. Even monarchs were often illiterate. With the only literates adhering strictly to religious doctrine, there's not a lot of innovation. If the Byzantines didn't do that then knowledges spread.
I'd agree on that the Pagan Nations would be in a position to be more advanced, however then it's a slippery slope with people wanting to all of a sudden wholesale rewrite apps for a tech benefit...
As for Knowledge spreading from Trace? are you serious Cymrea? what have you been smoking? have you forgotten how ballistic Trace got over the idea that his Greek Fire would have been lost because only two people in the empire (before he finally changed it) knew the secret, he no doubt had some sort of Orwellian organisation preventing anything leaving the borders alive!
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:58 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Seinlo wrote:
Oh, I see it. Yes, but the reason that you became so advanced was in part thanks to your contact with Islam. Right? I mean, Islam had algebra while Europe was full of idiots and bad maths, so I think this is abit right.
Not necessarily. Islam in this timeline mostly never got the point of becoming that advanced. And also, Islam traditionally crashes down its advantage after the end of the Middle Ages.
by Novacom » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:59 am
Seinlo wrote:There are so many people talking, and I don't know what to do...Novacom wrote:
Seinlo I'll save everyone a headache, you count as Islamic tech group with all the disadvantages and advantages it had, history changed Islam didn't get as advanced. End Of.
Alrighty. How are there any advantages, though? I mean, we're probably better at math, but rhat doesn't help me because I have a disability with maths... Which makes this kind of ironic. Lol
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:00 am
by Danceria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:01 am
by Cymrea » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:01 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Cymrea wrote:The Dark Ages was the direct result of the Church suppressing education or even literacy among any but it's higher echelons. Even monarchs were often illiterate. With the only literates adhering strictly to religious doctrine, there's not a lot of innovation. If the Byzantines didn't do that then knowledges spread.
The Dark Ages were also a direct result of countless underdeveloped barbarians pouring into Western Europe, something that the Eastern Romans were spared from. The Byzantines themselves however, had the advantage of having maintained the knowledge of the Romans, or being relatively safe from barbarian attacks, of having a society that encouraged literacy, or having more urban areas, and of having more contacts with the Orient through the Silk Road.
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:02 am
Seinlo wrote:I'm thinking of a guidance for the Indian Ocean and other nations that is essentially an economic boom, making the Indian Ocean states and those in the surrounding gulfs and seas (Red Sea, Gulf of Persia, Gulf of Aden, et cetera) powerful economic centers.
It may also build on Elerian's guidance, and have brought technology and sciences from Rome to nations in these areas. It wouldn't mean an industrialized Yemen or India, or even be a legitimate tech boost, but some tech would have leaked into the surrounding nations, and though it might not industrialize a nation, it'll leave them looking civilized. "Western" ideas like aqueducting, city cleaning, and Western education systems may come with it. I don't know about this second part, though, as it may be tokmuch, or it may be changed a lot to be something that's better (in quality, not in the sense of giving the Indian Ocean nations more).
Right now, I need to figure out the full effect of this economic boom, and exactly how it happened.
I'm new to guidances, and will probably brainstorm with Elerian before I finalize anything, since he/she kindly offered to brainstorm with me. I'm getting lots of help from you guys, and really apprecoate the mentoring from Danceria and Elerian, and the frank honesty and general aid from Thrace, Sanabel, Novacom, and everyone else. You guys are great ^-^
If you have any suggestions, please reply with them or TG me.
Novacom wrote:Seinlo wrote:There are so many people talking, and I don't know what to do...
Alrighty. How are there any advantages, though? I mean, we're probably better at math, but rhat doesn't help me because I have a disability with maths... Which makes this kind of ironic. Lol
Actually no, you wouldn't be better at Math, the Islamic Golden Age NEVER happened, as for it's advantages, myself and Elerian are working on something that might also settle some of this mess down.
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:03 am
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:04 am
by Old Tyrannia » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:07 am
by Danceria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:07 am
Seinlo wrote:
You're here! Could you please help me with my history, now, Danceria? I sent you the Google docs link. (Share it with no one. D; )
Old Tyrannia wrote:
The idea of tech groups has been part of this RP since the start; they're not "new."
by Seinlo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:11 am
Danceria wrote:Seinlo wrote:
You're here! Could you please help me with my history, now, Danceria? I sent you the Google docs link. (Share it with no one. D; )
I has the doc, but as I've mentioned in the link (of this video), we may have to punt scrap or both.Old Tyrannia wrote:The idea of tech groups has been part of this RP since the start; they're not "new."
Well, they're new to me.
Are they like EU4 tech groups?
by Danceria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:13 am
Seinlo wrote:Danceria wrote:I has the doc, but as I've mentioned in the link (of this video), we may have to punt scrap or both.
Well, they're new to me.
Are they like EU4 tech groups?
I can't watch that video right now, and I don't know what you mean by punt or scrap. As in punt or scrap my history? :C
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:14 am
by Danceria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:15 am
by Tracian Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:16 am
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