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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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28%
Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
84
11%
Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
49
6%
Not at all
320
42%
 
Total votes : 770

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Postby New Scario » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:13 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."

The dog is Mexican, so it can be deported to open up the slot for Americans!


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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:13 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."

The dog is Mexican, so it can be deported to open up the slot for Americans!

For German shep ... no, maybe a dachshund ... damn, no ... a Weimeraner ... no, not them ... a poodle ... damn it, aren't there any American dogs?
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Postby New Scario » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:14 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The dog is Mexican, so it can be deported to open up the slot for Americans!

For German shep ... no, maybe a dachshund ... damn, no ... a Weimeraner ... no, not them ... a poodle ... damn it, aren't there any American dogs?

Boston Terrier.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:15 pm

New Scario wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:For German shep ... no, maybe a dachshund ... damn, no ... a Weimeraner ... no, not them ... a poodle ... damn it, aren't there any American dogs?

Boston Terrier.
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I forgot them. They bit the Pilgrims in the ankle when they landed on Plymouth Rock, I think.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:15 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The dog is Mexican, so it can be deported to open up the slot for Americans!

For German shep ... no, maybe a dachshund ... damn, no ... a Weimeraner ... no, not them ... a poodle ... damn it, aren't there any American dogs?


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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


Well, THAT'S the thing. Big manufacturing firms have the money to automate the majority of manufacturing jobs, but smaller ones will have human employees.

Protectionists often point to this as a reason to impose tariffs.

I realize that it means that there will be more low-paying jobs, but a lot of people figure that income is income, don't matter what it is. To be fair, I wish I had any kind of job, even a "shitty" one.

However, this is a major reason why so many people flocked to Trump: they're poor, uneducated people stuck in the poverty quagmire and would probably benefit massively from a revitalization of the blue collar factor market. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... education/

Note the massive irony of high school educated working class chodes (like myself) voting for an obscenely wealthy rent-control-necessary draft-dodging ivory tower... Dude, who is probably attempting to bring back Gilded Age wage slavery.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:24 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How the fuck does Trump, an alleged businessman, or his Tea Party cronies for that matter, not realize that it isn't as simple as implementing shadow tariffs in order to re-start American manufacturing?

That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


Well, THAT'S the thing. Big manufacturing firms have the money to automate the majority of manufacturing jobs, but smaller ones will have human employees.

Protectionists often point to this as a reason to impose tariffs.

I realize that it means that there will be more low-paying jobs, but a lot of people figure that income is income, don't matter what it is. To be fair, I wish I had any kind of job, even a "shitty" one.

However, this is a major reason why so many people flocked to Trump: they're poor, uneducated people stuck in the poverty quagmire and would probably benefit massively from a revitalization of the blue collar factor market. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... education/

Note the massive irony of high school educated working class chodes (like myself) voting for an obscenely wealthy rent-control-necessary draft-dodging ivory tower... Dude, who is probably attempting to bring back Gilded Age wage slavery.[/quote]
You messed up the quote tags ...
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:25 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


Well, THAT'S the thing. Big manufacturing firms have the money to automate the majority of manufacturing jobs, but smaller ones will have human employees.

Protectionists often point to this as a reason to impose tariffs.

I realize that it means that there will be more low-paying jobs, but a lot of people figure that income is income, don't matter what it is. To be fair, I wish I had any kind of job, even a "shitty" one.

However, this is a major reason why so many people flocked to Trump: they're poor, uneducated people stuck in the poverty quagmire and would probably benefit massively from a revitalization of the blue collar factor market. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... education/

Note the massive irony of high school educated working class chodes (like myself) voting for an obscenely wealthy rent-control-necessary draft-dodging ivory tower... Dude, who is probably attempting to bring back Gilded Age wage slavery.

Desperation is helluva drug.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:28 pm

Farnhamia wrote:You messed up the quote tags ...


WHOOPS.

Why didn't YOU fix them. :lol:
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:28 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You messed up the quote tags ...


WHOOPS.

Why didn't YOU fix them. :lol:

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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:01 pm

Jamzmania wrote:People who don't like Clinton's deplorable comments don't go cry in a dedicated safe space. They call her out for her bullshit, but they don't have a "TRIGGERED!" seizure.

Its not even bullshit. Its just right.

Still a stupid thing for her to say, because she also insulted like 20 to 25% of her own voting block.

Plus, the anti-PC thing is resisting the control of language. PC has made otherwise-innocent language into a bad thing.

That is not the same as being directly, openly, and obviously insulted and responding.

Yeah, Trump insulted many voters as well and his supporters didn't bat an eye. And he's offended constantly over stupid crap . Its pretty hilarious that the anti PC culture guy is the one so easily offended about everything. I see plenty of hypocrisy in it.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh, the level of maturity from the Trump side of the aisle is just skyrocketing...

My question about the Not Taxes plan is if America has the capability to somehow pick up the sudden massive deficit in finished products by re-investing capital into manufacturing.

Do we even have the raw resources supply chains to make that jump successful at all?

How the fuck does Trump, an alleged businessman, or his Tea Party cronies for that matter, not realize that it isn't as simple as implementing shadow tariffs in order to re-start American manufacturing?

That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


This is simply false.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united- ... production
And basing policy on a false premise is a bad idea.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:27 am

Novus America wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


This is simply false.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united- ... production
And basing policy on a false premise is a bad idea.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-man ... 2016-03-28
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/ec ... ring-jobs/
You're right, basing policy on the false premise that it is purely trade and that the cure is a trade war is a hideously bad idea.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:47 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
This is simply false.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united- ... production
And basing policy on a false premise is a bad idea.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-man ... 2016-03-28
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/ec ... ring-jobs/
You're right, basing policy on the false premise that it is purely trade and that the cure is a trade war is a hideously bad idea.


We could be having more output and jobs by the standards of Novus America's study, yours does not counter that.

http://www.epi.org/publication/the-manufacturing-footprint-and-the-importance-of-u-s-manufacturing-jobs/

As you can see here, manufacturing jobs and output punch far above their weight. If altering our trade situation could correct the losses and help the situation, why not? As his study showed, there is clearly loss.
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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:38 am

Novus America wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's the thing, though, manufacturing hasn't fallen in the US, just manufacturing jobs. As the late Warren Bennis wrote, "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment."


This is simply false.
http://www.epi.org/publication/manufact ... e-culprit/


The second graph in the article flatly contradicts the sub-heading "Trade, Not Productivity, Is the Culprit"

Is that article actually worth reading? In your opinion?



Giving US steel production as evidence of falling manufacture is cherry picking.

And basing policy on a false premise is a bad idea.


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Postby Minoa » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:41 am

Yet more shoddy journalism: http://www.snopes.com/republican-congre ... -trump-tv/

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:18 am

Minoa wrote:Yet more shoddy journalism: http://www.snopes.com/republican-congre ... -trump-tv/

Fake news is not a one sided thing - for the record, I tired to be as non-partisan as possible.

It sure isn't. The malicious infection that is fake news has spread all over the political spectrum.


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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:57 am

Gauthier wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ugh, why did Clinton say that stupid thing?

She was not wrong. The only mistake she made there was backpeddling on it instead of doubling down and using it to illustrate the right's hypocrisy on political correctness.

it is so annoying that republicans get to call their opponents all sorts of ugly things over and over but if a democrat uses a mild term with no baggage ONCE it is a crime against humanity forever.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:01 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Gauthier wrote:She was not wrong. The only mistake she made there was backpeddling on it instead of doubling down and using it to illustrate the right's hypocrisy on political correctness.

it is so annoying that republicans get to call their opponents all sorts of ugly things over and over but if a democrat uses a mild term with no baggage ONCE it is a crime against humanity forever.

Thin-skinned hypocrisy. The GOP has indeed become The Trump Party.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:02 am

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Southerly Gentleman wrote:No, pretty sure they wouldve turned on him like half his supporters did after he cucked out to, sorry I mean endorsed of his own will, Hillary.

"Cuck." Everthing that needs to be known there.


I cant imagine how Bernie endorsing Hillary qualifies as "cuck"

is there supposed to be male solidarity even between polar opposite politicians?
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:05 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Gauthier wrote:"Cuck." Everthing that needs to be known there.


I cant imagine how Bernie endorsing Hillary qualifies as "cuck"

is there supposed to be male solidarity even between polar opposite politicians?

It's because Bernie endorsed Hillary instead of seizing the nomination like a Proper Alpha Male should, thus also insinuating that if Sanders was married he'd watch big black men banging his wife.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:07 am

Gauthier wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
I cant imagine how Bernie endorsing Hillary qualifies as "cuck"

is there supposed to be male solidarity even between polar opposite politicians?

It's because Bernie endorsed Hillary instead of seizing the nomination like a Proper Alpha Male should, thus also insinuating that if Sanders was married he'd watch big black men banging his wife.


Let's be real here, "cuckold" and it's new shorthand "cuck" has been used and watered down and used so much as a political insult, it basically means "generic internet insult #6"
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:07 am

Gauthier wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:I cant imagine how Bernie endorsing Hillary qualifies as "cuck"

is there supposed to be male solidarity even between polar opposite politicians?

It's because Bernie endorsed Hillary instead of seizing the nomination like a Proper Alpha Male should, thus also insinuating that if Sanders was married he'd watch big black men banging his wife.

That line of thinking is what the alt-right erroneously calls 'logic'.


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:09 am

Gauthier wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
I cant imagine how Bernie endorsing Hillary qualifies as "cuck"

is there supposed to be male solidarity even between polar opposite politicians?

It's because Bernie endorsed Hillary instead of seizing the nomination like a Proper Alpha Male should, thus also insinuating that if Sanders was married he'd watch big black men banging his wife.

Sanders is married.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 am

Valrifell wrote:
Gauthier wrote:It's because Bernie endorsed Hillary instead of seizing the nomination like a Proper Alpha Male should, thus also insinuating that if Sanders was married he'd watch big black men banging his wife.


Let's be real here, "cuckold" and it's new shorthand "cuck" has been used and watered down and used so much as a political insult, it basically means "generic internet insult #6"

But the usage is centered on insinuating emasculation and impotence.
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