I wouldn't agree with that.
Edit: Probably even if it cost a dollar honestly, I was just curious about the cost.
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by Alvecia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:43 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:44 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:44 pm
Telconi wrote:Astrolinium wrote:
A. ...I cannot imagine what reasonable firearm for self-defense you might own that you are being forced to weld shut.
B. I'm a Jew. I've met Nazis. Let me tell you, almost nobody hates gun owners the way Nazis hate Jews.
Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.
And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.
by Alinora » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:44 pm
Telconi wrote:Astrolinium wrote:
The idea that the right to bear arms is the most important right you have is probably the most ridiculous thing that's been posted in this thread, and this thread has contained links to Donald Trump trying to undermine the validity of an election that he technically won.
People use guns to kill people sometimes. Shocking, I know.
I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".
by Ifreann » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:45 pm
Alinora wrote:Telconi wrote:
I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".
The 2nd Amendment is absolutely vital - taking it away, even gradually, is stupid.
by Nazeroth » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:45 pm
Ifreann wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
um what
That would be the idea behind restrictions on your rights, such as your right to bear arms.Telconi wrote:
Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.
And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.
Yeah, that's how the Nazis treated the Jews. Let them go after arresting them and apologised.
by Telconi » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:48 pm
Ifreann wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
um what
That would be the idea behind restrictions on your rights, such as your right to bear arms.Telconi wrote:
Until you've had to kill a pack of coyotes at 4 AM from a moving truck, or drop a boar in about three second flat before it rips you to ribbons, your opinion on what's "reasonable" isn't worth much.
And as much as I sympathize with your experiences, I have literally been put in jail for engaging in a legal activity. And then released with the "Apologies of the City of San Francisco" As loud and rude as those sacks of crap may have been, I doubt they literally kidnapped you for your beliefs.
Yeah, that's how the Nazis treated the Jews. Let them go after arresting them and apologised.
by Bonehead Crushers » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:50 pm
by Astrolinium » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:52 pm
Telconi wrote:I would give up literally any other constitutionally protected right if it got me true protection of the 2nd. You may find my opinion rediculous, but you are not me, and as the saying goes "Your truth is not my truth".
Telconi wrote:Yeah being thrown on pavement, cuffed, and dragged to jail is kinda how they treated Jewish people.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:52 pm
by Nazeroth » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:53 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Gun rights are not the topic. Let's drop it and move on.
by Astrolinium » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:54 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:56 pm
Astrolinium wrote:So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.
by San Lumen » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:57 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Astrolinium wrote:So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.
That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.
by Uxupox » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:59 pm
San Lumen wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.
So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?
by Nazeroth » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:59 pm
San Lumen wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.
So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?
by Reedian » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:59 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:00 pm
Reedian wrote:She is backing a recount that will prove her wrong. She claims it might be hacked or rigged, yet despite the fact Obama and Trump agree it was not rigged.
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:00 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Astrolinium wrote:So, anyway, as we can see, feelings are strong on both sides and I would hope (probably in vain) that we can agree that urban dwellers have very different needs than rural dwellers and should not be subject to their whims via the electoral college.
That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.
by The East Marches » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:00 pm
Uxupox wrote:San Lumen wrote:So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?
just split america apart. the states with little population go make another america and the states with big urban cities and most of the population make another america (We will call this America 2.0) win-win.
by Telconi » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:00 pm
San Lumen wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That works both ways and it's the problem. Rural dwellers shouldn't be subject to the whims of urban dwellers via the popular vote.
So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?
by Ifreann » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:01 pm
Reedian wrote:She is backing a recount that will prove her wrong. She claims it might be hacked or rigged, yet despite the fact Obama and Trump agree it was not rigged.
by Alvecia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:02 pm
Telconi wrote:San Lumen wrote:So how would you fix the system? Urban votes count less than rural dwellers and they get less representation then rural areas?
Honestly, how I would fix it?
Weaken the Federal government, as in, really really weaken.
cease states to exist as government bodies, all rights that were previously attributed to states are now the jurisdiction of counties/parishes etc.
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