4th Grade Nation State

[Ebliania]

Because it's a learning module for the class to see what a psychology experiment could look like.

It's not a bad theory, but it clearly doesn't prove that the experiment is real.

And how can you prove your experiment isn't real? Besides yours is less likely to be real since you didn't keep a running tally of all relevant data.

[Xerographica]

It's not a bad theory, but it clearly doesn't prove that the experiment is real.

And how can you prove your experiment isn't real? Besides yours is less likely to be real since you didn't keep a running tally of all relevant data.

You should seriously consider reading more and writing less...

Earlier in the thread The Two Jerseys questioned whether my own classroom experiment was fake. I think my reply was that Michelle had shared plenty of other photos of her class. I could post them but I'd obviously have to alter them to protect the identity of the students. I'm sure that Michelle wouldn't mind corresponding by e-mail with one of you. She has a school e-mail address... but I'd have to trust you not to reveal which school it is.

[Lost heros]

Anywho, I wrote up a series of spreadsheets for some statistical tests on Gallo's experiment. Write now I'm measuring how much money the hedging party takes out of the rest of the group over time, (determined by the Average of the morning class not including the prof), how the hedging party affects the wealth equality (St. Deviation including the Prof), the wealth equality when the hedging party isn't included (St. Deviation without the Prof), the wealth equality in the control, (St deviation in afternoon class), as well as what I am calling the Favoring Preference, which attempts to measure how much more valued one option was than the other (this is done by multiplying the ratio times the winning option) for both of the classes.

Hopefully, Gallo shares the full data so I can analyze completely

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And how can you prove your experiment isn't real? Besides yours is less likely to be real since you didn't keep a running tally of all relevant data.

You should seriously consider reading more and writing less...

Earlier in the thread The Two Jerseys questioned whether my own classroom experiment was fake. I think my reply was that Michelle had shared plenty of other photos of her class. I could post them but I'd obviously have to alter them to protect the identity of the students. I'm sure that Michelle wouldn't mind corresponding by e-mail with one of you. She has a school e-mail address... but I'd have to trust you not to reveal which school it is.

So, you can't.

[Ebliania]

You should seriously consider reading more and writing less...

So, you can't.

Well maybe Gallo could've made up a spreadsheet specifically designed to discredit his theory. But it is less likely to be fake than a string of anecdotes.

Maybe Xero shouldn't have admitted that he interfered in the experiment. That just loses all credibility for me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So, you can't.

Well maybe Gallo could've made up a spreadsheet specifically designed to discredit his theory. But it is less likely to be fake than a string of anecdotes.

Maybe Xero shouldn't have admitted that he interfered in the experiment. That just loses all credibility for me.

I mean, I trust Gallo, myself. I personally would put my hands in the fire for him, sort to speak.

Xero could be telling me it's raining tomorrow and I'd have to look out the window.

[Ebliania]

Well maybe Gallo could've made up a spreadsheet specifically designed to discredit his theory. But it is less likely to be fake than a string of anecdotes.

Maybe Xero shouldn't have admitted that he interfered in the experiment. That just loses all credibility for me.

I mean, I trust Gallo, myself. I personally would put my hands in the fire for him, sort to speak.

Xero could be telling me it's raining tomorrow and I'd have to look out the window.

No, that would be what a prankster would do. Xero is far too serious for that.

Unless its one of his experiments on pragmatarianism. Or whatever the fuck it is.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

I'd be willing to give the spreadsheets to certain specific persons who are willing to act with integrity with regard to my data. Whatever analysis you run on that is fine, so long as the original numbers are not given away to people who will not respect the creator's wishes.

*snip*

Just to be clear, I didn't decline because of any speculation on my part about whether Galloism's experiment is real. I just don't give out my personal information on this forum.

I'm also not sure why you selected me to be your go-between, but I guess that's neither here nor there.

[Galloism]

I'm pretty sure that I only included them on two blog entries. Let me know if you find them on any other entries.

Thank you. Taking someone's work that you apparently value without paying for it, even if legal, makes you at the very least a free rider.

Honestly I really wouldn't be surprised if your experiment is fake. So please prove that it isn't.

/shrug

Take it or leave it. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, but that's your call. I didn't do this for you anyway. I find human behavior to be fascinating, and I wanted to know, when presented with a gamable system how long it would take people to hopelessly break it.

I asked The Joseon Dynasty if he would be willing to telegram you his e-mail address. He replied that he wasn't willing to. To be honest, I wouldn't be willing to telegram you my e-mail address either.

/shrug

I wouldn't telegram you mine either. You might start emailing me random bullshit, then will follow the creepy love notes, then the police, the reports...

So how can you prove that your experiment isn't fake? Well... why is the psychology professor conducting the experiment? For shits and giggles? Or does he plan on publishing a paper on the experiment? Clearly if he's planning on publishing a paper on the experiment then the paper will be more than enough proof that the experiment was real. Of course, if he does publish a paper... then we'll all know exactly who he is anyways.

Presuming he actually does write a paper, that would be a year or more down the road, you know.

It makes sense for you to hide his identity if he's not planning on publishing a paper on the experiment. Of course, it also makes sense for you to hide his identity if he doesn't actually exist.

Earlier in the thread The Two Jerseys questioned whether my own classroom experiment was fake. I think my reply was that Michelle had shared plenty of other photos of her class. I could post them but I'd obviously have to alter them to protect the identity of the students. I'm sure that Michelle wouldn't mind corresponding by e-mail with one of you. She has a school e-mail address... but I'd have to trust you not to reveal which school it is.

If the The Joseon Dynasty had corresponded with your professor... and the professor was using a college e-mail address... then I probably would have trusted the The Joseon Dynasty's verdict regarding the existence of your professor.

The difference between you and me is that I take your experiment at face value. I can totally believe that fourth graders would be incompetent when it comes to the usage of your system. I can believe they would be irrational. Children often are irrational at some level - it's a consequence of their brains not being fully developed.

I have previously argued that your system only works when the users are irrational.

That's why I would never use fourth graders to model an experiment of something intended for adults. However, it does present a delightful contrast - irrational people use your system and it doesn't immediately break down. Rational people use it and the trend lines become more and more broken over time.

Curious.

Have you asked your professor whether he would be willing to give me his e-mail address? Of course if your professor isn't real then you can say that you did but he conveniently said no.

No I didn't. Given your penchant for emailing random disjointed bullshit to people, I wouldn't subject that to someone that I only know as a friend of a friend.

[Ebliania]

No I didn't. Given your penchant for emailing random disjointed bullshit to people, I wouldn't subject that to someone that I only know as a friend of a friend.

Wait he does that? Keep in mind I've never really started paying attention until now.

[Lost heros]

No I didn't. Given your penchant for emailing random disjointed bullshit to people, I wouldn't subject that to someone that I only know as a friend of a friend.

Wait he does that? Keep in mind I've never really started paying attention until now.

It's like half of what his blog is about.

[Galloism]

Your lawyer explained to you that my use of your spreadsheets was fair.

She clearly didn't say that if you read Gallo's response carefully.

What she said was that because your blog is not a blog which is getting paid, it's not exactly doing anything illegal. She never said anything about it being "fair".

Your move is not covered under fair use doctrine, but it also doesn't run afoul of the law. So you're lucky.

More specifically, it's almost definitely not a violation against me, but COULD be a violation against the professor.

However, not for profit use is presumptively legal unless proven otherwise, and while one of the factors is how complete the copying is, it's actually not even the most important one. If you want to read into it further, there's quite a few cases that lay out the four main criteria under which fair use is determined.

It might be fair use, but even if it is not, it almost definitely NOT an infringement against me. It might be an infringement against the professor.

[Ebliania]

Wait he does that? Keep in mind I've never really started paying attention until now.

It's like half of what his blog is about.

He has a fucking blog?! Geez this guy really wants to debunk math someday.

[Lost heros]

It's like half of what his blog is about.

He has a fucking blog?! Geez this guy really wants to debunk math someday.

I mean, math is pretty much the enemy coasinism so I wouldn't be surprised

[Ebliania]

He has a fucking blog?! Geez this guy really wants to debunk math someday.

I mean, math is pretty much the enemy coasinism so I wouldn't be surprised

He reminds me of this.

[Galloism]

I mean, math is pretty much the enemy coasinism so I wouldn't be surprised

He reminds me of this.

I almost punched my screen.

[Xerographica]

I'm pretty sure that I only included them on two blog entries. Let me know if you find them on any other entries.

Thank you. Taking someone's work that you apparently value without paying for it, even if legal, makes you at the very least a free rider.

That's what your issue was? That I failed to adequately compensate you for your spreedsheets? If this is truly your issue, then why did you fail to say so before?

/shrug

Take it or leave it. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, but that's your call. I didn't do this for you anyway. I find human behavior to be fascinating, and I wanted to know, when presented with a gamable system how long it would take people to hopelessly break it.

So you're not at all interested in proving that your experiment is real?

Have you asked your professor whether he would be willing to give me his e-mail address? Of course if your professor isn't real then you can say that you did but he conveniently said no.

No I didn't. Given your penchant for emailing random disjointed bullshit to people, I wouldn't subject that to someone that I only know as a friend of a friend.

Did you even give me credit for the concept of coasianism and the specific idea for the experiment? I obviously gave you credit on my blog for facilitating the experiment.

It's not so much that I need the credit... it's just that I wouldn't be surprised if your own behavior is entirely hypocritical. Of course, the only way you could actually prove that you did indeed give me credit would be if the professor himself told me that you did.

[Galloism]

Thank you. Taking someone's work that you apparently value without paying for it, even if legal, makes you at the very least a free rider.

That's what your issue was? That I failed to adequately compensate you for your spreedsheets? If this is truly your issue, then why did you fail to say so before?

No, my issue was that you took it without permission. I'm merely pointing out an additional issue.

/shrug

Take it or leave it. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, but that's your call. I didn't do this for you anyway. I find human behavior to be fascinating, and I wanted to know, when presented with a gamable system how long it would take people to hopelessly break it.

So you're not at all interested in proving that your experiment is real?

Not particularly, nor am I particularly interested in trying to make you prove your 'experiment' (if we can even call it that with a straight face anymore) real.

I do believe the data speaks for itself.

No I didn't. Given your penchant for emailing random disjointed bullshit to people, I wouldn't subject that to someone that I only know as a friend of a friend.

Did you even give me credit for the concept of coasianism and the specific idea for the experiment? I obviously gave you credit on my blog for facilitating the experiment.

It's not so much that I need the credit... it's just that I wouldn't be surprised if your own behavior is entirely hypocritical. Of course, the only you could actually prove that you did indeed give me credit would be if the professor himself told me that you did.

/shrug

I told him some person on the internet had been pushing this as a decision making apparatus and I wanted to see what would happen, and he didn't press. I don't know if that counts as "giving credit" in your mind.

In any case, broad concepts and creative research are entirely different things.

[Ebliania]

He reminds me of this.

I almost punched my screen.

No the correct reaction would be to fly to Japan and have some tentacle sex.

What is the age of consent over there?

A highlight. Doesn't get better from there.

[Xerographica]

Not particularly, nor am I particularly interested in trying to make you prove your 'experiment' (if we can even call it that with a straight face anymore) real.

I do believe the data speaks for itself.

The data really doesn't speak for itself if you made it up.

[Ebliania]

Not particularly, nor am I particularly interested in trying to make you prove your 'experiment' (if we can even call it that with a straight face anymore) real.

I do believe the data speaks for itself.

The data really doesn't speak for itself if you made it up.

Really you are just stooping to a new low. Again why should we believe your anecdotes over a carefully constructed set of spreadsheets?

At this point you're trying to deny that your ideas can't possibly work in the real world.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not particularly, nor am I particularly interested in trying to make you prove your 'experiment' (if we can even call it that with a straight face anymore) real.

I do believe the data speaks for itself.

The data really doesn't speak for itself if you made it up.

At this point, if you can't produce a reasonable way for us to know about the source of your data other than your own head, I doubt Gallo's on a different position either.

[Galloism]

Not particularly, nor am I particularly interested in trying to make you prove your 'experiment' (if we can even call it that with a straight face anymore) real.

I do believe the data speaks for itself.

The data really doesn't speak for itself if you made it up.

/shrug

Believe what you want. Given you believe what you want regarding what is a public good or private good, basic mathematics, game theory, entity structure, differing apertures of benefit, the free rider problem, defection, profit motive, whether or not personal relationships are economics, whether bible verses support your economic theory, and probably a whole bunch of other stupid shit I can't even remember right now, in spite of all evidence or deductive reasoning to the contrary, your erroneous belief about an experiment is such a small addition to the pile it's basically irrelevant.

I did this for me, and, secondarily, for Nationstates - not you.

[Galloism]

I almost punched my screen.

No the correct reaction would be to fly to Japan and have some tentacle sex.

What is the age of consent over there?

A highlight. Doesn't get better from there.

That's gotta be satire.

[Ebliania]

No the correct reaction would be to fly to Japan and have some tentacle sex.

What is the age of consent over there?

A highlight. Doesn't get better from there.

That's gotta be satire.

Who knows? But he's doing this for 8 years now. A bit longer than most parody blogs.