The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[New Edom]

"Herstory" is featured in the Black Lives Matter website. Check it out for yourselves. It was apparently founded by three lesbian marxist radical feminists.

I can understand how you might be against Marxism and feminism (since you can disagree with them), but are their sexual orientations really a problem?

Normally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or straight as long as they are willing to live and let live as I am. However this bunch aren't content with that. They want to destroy the nuclear family to replace it with some kind of community concept that they have not made clear. They make constant sneers on their website about 'heteronormative patriarchy'. This is radfem speak for 'we don't like it that heterosexuals form the majority of the population and consider this normal.' To such persons, heterosexuality has to go beyond tolerance or acceptance of non-heterosexuals--it has to vanish. So yeah, it's pretty central to their idealism. To some radfems, lesbianism is virtually part of their ideology.

[Ebliania]

I can understand how you might be against Marxism and feminism (since you can disagree with them), but are their sexual orientations really a problem?

Normally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or straight as long as they are willing to live and let live as I am. However this bunch aren't content with that. They want to destroy the nuclear family to replace it with some kind of community concept that they have not made clear. They make constant sneers on their website about 'heteronormative patriarchy'. This is radfem speak for 'we don't like it that heterosexuals form the majority of the population and consider this normal.' To such persons, heterosexuality has to go beyond tolerance or acceptance of non-heterosexuals--it has to vanish. So yeah, it's pretty central to their idealism. To some radfems, lesbianism is virtually part of their ideology.

Well I wouldn't imagine how they'll go about their breeding procedures.

[Hurdergaryp]

Normally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or straight as long as they are willing to live and let live as I am. However this bunch aren't content with that. They want to destroy the nuclear family to replace it with some kind of community concept that they have not made clear. They make constant sneers on their website about 'heteronormative patriarchy'. This is radfem speak for 'we don't like it that heterosexuals form the majority of the population and consider this normal.' To such persons, heterosexuality has to go beyond tolerance or acceptance of non-heterosexuals--it has to vanish. So yeah, it's pretty central to their idealism. To some radfems, lesbianism is virtually part of their ideology.

Well I wouldn't imagine how they'll go about their breeding procedures.

I've heard good things about artificial wombs.

[Uiiop]

I can understand how you might be against Marxism and feminism (since you can disagree with them), but are their sexual orientations really a problem?

Normally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or straight as long as they are willing to live and let live as I am. However this bunch aren't content with that. They want to destroy the nuclear family to replace it with some kind of community concept that they have not made clear. They make constant sneers on their website about 'heteronormative patriarchy'. This is radfem speak for 'we don't like it that heterosexuals form the majority of the population and consider this normal.' To such persons, heterosexuality has to go beyond tolerance or acceptance of non-heterosexuals--it has to vanish. So yeah, it's pretty central to their idealism. To some radfems, lesbianism is virtually part of their ideology.

Sneering at people assuming the norm applies to everyone(That's really what heteronormative means not that they're upset for treating the norm as well normal.) even if there's valid criticism of that approach of argumentation does not mean they want to destroy that norm.

Maybe these specific people have those beliefs but i believe it when i see it.

[New Edom]

Normally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or straight as long as they are willing to live and let live as I am. However this bunch aren't content with that. They want to destroy the nuclear family to replace it with some kind of community concept that they have not made clear. They make constant sneers on their website about 'heteronormative patriarchy'. This is radfem speak for 'we don't like it that heterosexuals form the majority of the population and consider this normal.' To such persons, heterosexuality has to go beyond tolerance or acceptance of non-heterosexuals--it has to vanish. So yeah, it's pretty central to their idealism. To some radfems, lesbianism is virtually part of their ideology.

Sneering at people assuming the norm applies to everyone(That's really what heteronormative means not that they're upset for treating the norm as well normal.) even if there's valid criticism of that approach of argumentation does not mean they want to destroy that norm.

Maybe these specific people have those beliefs but i believe it when i see it.

First, I suggest that you look at their website. Draw your own conclusions if you must. The site refers to building what they call villages in which 'mothers' and 'parents' look after children. There is no mention of fathers. They refer to heteronormativity as being an unjust description of people as heterosexual unless declared otherwise. This is stepping away from reality--human beings, as sexually dimorphic mammals are naturally either male or female with some aberrations. I hope that as compassionate people in societies trying to be compasionate we can be accepting and understanding of people who are outside of norms. However insisting that there are no norms is not accepting reality.

This is really just one of many reasons why I dislike this movement. Lesbianism for some radical feminists is not merely their sexual self expression but a form of politics.

[Uiiop]

Sneering at people assuming the norm applies to everyone(That's really what heteronormative means not that they're upset for treating the norm as well normal.) even if there's valid criticism of that approach of argumentation does not mean they want to destroy that norm.

Maybe these specific people have those beliefs but i believe it when i see it.

First, I suggest that you look at their website. Draw your own conclusions if you must. The site refers to building what they call villages in which 'mothers' and 'parents' look after children. There is no mention of fathers. They refer to heteronormativity as being an unjust description of people as heterosexual unless declared otherwise. This is stepping away from reality--human beings, as sexually dimorphic mammals are naturally either male or female with some aberrations. I hope that as compassionate people in societies trying to be compasionate we can be accepting and understanding of people who are outside of norms. However insisting that there are no norms is not accepting reality.

This is really just one of many reasons why I dislike this movement. Lesbianism for some radical feminists is not merely their sexual self expression but a form of politics.

Uh...sexually dimoprhism is not the word used to describe homosexuality. That feels like a nitcpick but eh.
Anyways...the section on the village only refers it as disrupting the requirement of the nuclear family not the family itself. So it's looks more like a different suggestion than a take over. So...in this case it just smells like hyperbole.
and Again Wanting people not to assume that norm applies to everything is not the same thing as insisting it's non-existence

[Karazia]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

[Hurdergaryp]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

Those are totally bad apples. Most feminists are actually well-behaved persons.

[Karazia]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

Those are totally bad apples. Most feminists are actually well-behaved persons.

Thank you for answering me.

[Charmera]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

Those are totally bad apples. Most feminists are actually well-behaved persons.

Even as a non feminist I concur. At least in my anecdotal experience.
But those bad apples... can be pretty darn rotten

[Stellonia]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

Bad apples. Unfortunately, the bad apples have too much influence to be disregarded.

[Costa Fierro]

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

No, they're your typical run-of-the-mill feminist, at least the ones that can be defined as "third wave".

[Solaas]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Look it's Chessmistress in puppet form. Yeah that will happen when 'feminists' start gaining a bad reputation.

[Hurdergaryp]

Those are totally bad apples. Most feminists are actually well-behaved persons.

Even as a non feminist I concur. At least in my anecdotal experience.
But those bad apples... can be pretty darn rotten

Just like the dedicated anti-feminists that pop up in this thread as well. The stench!

[Charmera]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Actually there are quite a few feminists still around. And it was about discussing feminism I believe.
The thing is, NS in general has slowed down a tad and people aren´t on as much mostly cause of school and work.

[Charmera]

Even as a non feminist I concur. At least in my anecdotal experience.
But those bad apples... can be pretty darn rotten

Just like the dedicated anti-feminists that pop up in this thread as well. The stench!

Yeaaaaaahhhh.
It's why I can't quite call myself an anti feminist or a feminist.
I like my position on the fence, it may have splinters sometimes but at least I don't have anyone calling me "Mysoginist" or "SJW cuck".

[The Alexanderians]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Nope, the thread's topic is Feminism. Criticizing feminism is still a topic pertaining to it. This is also true on the CDT, the JDT, the IDT, RWDT (err...bad example. Topic of any kind is a generous term), and the LWDT.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Nope, the thread's topic is Feminism. Criticizing feminism is still a topic pertaining to it. This is also true on the CDT, the JDT, the IDT, RWDT (err...bad example. Topic of any kind is a generous term), and the LWDT.

Hehehehe...

[Galloism]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Maybe you and your ilk should stop working overtime to pass sexist laws and promote sexist rhetoric - you know, the things that make it so easy to bash.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

I would like to be answered on something i've been wondering.

Do you support the actions of feminists? The feminists who get angry and yell at people who happen to say "Hello". The feminists who attack people for looking like "Rednecks".

Are they acting like average feminists? Or are they just bad apples?

Also sorry if I miss spelled anything.

Bad apples. Unfortunately, the bad apples have too much influence to be disregarded.

Agreed. They painted a worse image for the feminists.

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Criticizing Feminism is part of Feminism. Positive and negative are both count.

[Solaas]

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Maybe you and your ilk should stop working overtime to pass sexist laws and promote sexist rhetoric - you know, the things that make it so easy to bash.

Frankly: who cares?
You can bash "my ilk" here, but actually we're winning IRL and that's the only thing that's really relevant, I think.

Agreed. They painted a worse image for the feminists.

Actually, I think that your avatar/flag is painting a worse image...objectification, much? Though it's quite lght.

This thread was supposed to be about promoting Feminism (check the OP) and it has now devolved in bashing Feminism.
I think it's a shame.

Criticizing Feminism is part of Feminism. Positive and negative are both count.

Nope.
Attacking Feminism is inherently misogynist.

[Lady Scylla]

Maybe you and your ilk should stop working overtime to pass sexist laws and promote sexist rhetoric - you know, the things that make it so easy to bash.

Frankly: who cares?
You can bash "my ilk" here, but actually we're winning IRL and that's the only thing that's really relevant, I think.

Agreed. They painted a worse image for the feminists.

Actually, I think that your avatar/flag is painting a worse image...objectification, much? Though it's quite lght.

Criticizing Feminism is part of Feminism. Positive and negative are both count.

Nope.
Attacking Feminism is inherently misogynist.

I disagree. If you think the movement is perfect, youll miss its flaws. Im all for criticising it.

[Galloism]

Maybe you and your ilk should stop working overtime to pass sexist laws and promote sexist rhetoric - you know, the things that make it so easy to bash.

Frankly: who cares?
You can bash "my ilk" here, but actually we're winning IRL and that's the only thing that's really relevant, I think.

It is relevant - and it's worthy of pushback when people push for sexist laws and promote sexist rhetoric, like you do.

I won't deny you're winning - the confederacy and I had a disagreement on the subject of slavery all those years ago, and legislatively, they were winning that argument for a long time. I was still right and they were still wrong.

Criticizing Feminism is part of Feminism. Positive and negative are both count.

Nope.
Attacking Feminism is inherently misogynist.

Not when feminism is becoming more and more misogynist, as your posts demonstrate oh so well.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

tfw this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq0PNuWNFDk