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ORDER - Discussion must be on the bill at hand.

"Mr. Speaker, I question why you only felt the need to say that now, when it is an opposition member speaking? Perhaps the Speaker should have called for order when it was his former allies in the National Coalition speaking."

"Point of Order - my honourable colleague is accusing an officer of this house of partiality. If the Honourable Senator has no evidence of such, he should be called to called to order pursuant to subsection H of the unparliamentary language section of the standing orders."
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The Sarian wrote:
Collatis wrote:"Mr. Speaker, I question why you only felt the need to say that now, when it is an opposition member speaking? Perhaps the Speaker should have called for order when it was his former allies in the National Coalition speaking."

"Point of Order - my honourable colleague is accusing an officer of this house of partiality. If the Honourable Senator has no evidence of such, he should be called to called to order pursuant to subsection H of the unparliamentary language section of the standing orders."

"Did I not just provide evidence?"

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Postby Coconut Isle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:18 pm

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ORDER - Discussion must be on the bill at hand.

"Mr. Speaker, I question why you only felt the need to say that now, when it is an opposition member speaking? Perhaps the Speaker should have called for order when it was his former allies in the National Coalition speaking."


Coconut Isle wrote:Before the debate I wish to say two things. Firstly, that the Government Budget Act is bound to be contentious, and so I will be less tolerant on insults and unparliamentary behaviour, especially those impugning on the integrity or dignity of another senator, and other disorderly conduct. If Senators are unable to behave themselves, then they will be asked to leave for the duration of the debate. To refresh yourself on the standing orders, please see the circulated copy. I have let things slide recently, but this time I will not be so nice.


"This is your last warning, Senator Katdare. I clearly did say at the beginning of the day to stick to the standing rules, which means all discussion will be on the budget."

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Postby Collatis » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:30 pm

Coconut Isle wrote:
Collatis wrote:"Mr. Speaker, I question why you only felt the need to say that now, when it is an opposition member speaking? Perhaps the Speaker should have called for order when it was his former allies in the National Coalition speaking."


Coconut Isle wrote:Before the debate I wish to say two things. Firstly, that the Government Budget Act is bound to be contentious, and so I will be less tolerant on insults and unparliamentary behaviour, especially those impugning on the integrity or dignity of another senator, and other disorderly conduct. If Senators are unable to behave themselves, then they will be asked to leave for the duration of the debate. To refresh yourself on the standing orders, please see the circulated copy. I have let things slide recently, but this time I will not be so nice.


"This is your last warning, Senator Katdare. I clearly did say at the beginning of the day to stick to the standing rules, which means all discussion will be on the budget."

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Postby FreYhill » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:02 pm

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The Intergalactic Universe Corporation wrote:"Mr Speaker, I urge all members not to support the current budget being proposed by the Government. Firstly, governmental spending as a percentage of GDP has clearly gone up, almost 40% of GDP, almost half the economy, which is the highest I have seen so far, and is extremely dangerous. This will eventually lead to the government crowding out the private sector and stifling growth and innovation in Elizia's economy. This is a horrible precedent that will lead to the government growing bigger and ever more greedy, and we all know, that a bigger government is always more corrupt and more ineffective, henceforth, I would like to urge all members whether in the governing coalition or not, not to support this budget, and rather, push for a more reasonable budget that does not crowd out the private sector, and does not unnecessarily waste Elizian taxpayer dollars on excess spending."

"Mr. Speaker, the reason that spending as a percentage of GDP is on the rise should be painfully obvious to any diligent observer: since the passage of the August budget, Parliament has instituted more programs, established additional agencies, and placed new requirements that have required an expansion of the federal civil service. Since the passage of the previous budget, programs such as the Elizian Vaccination Bureau, Wildlife Protection Agency, Elizian Railway Administration, National Memorial Commission, Elizian Business Regulator, Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, Detention Service and Kentang Metro have been enacted by this House, usually with broad support from across the aisle."

"Perhaps this may be a revelation to Mr. Tan, but programs cost money. None of these agencies or services come out on the cheap side, and by convention, they must all be funded lest the government fail in its parliamentary obligation to implement and enforce Acts of Parliament. Attacking the budget for overspending is absurd when it is a mere reflection of the legislative agenda of Parliament."

"Perhaps the Government should work to expand the Elizian Market so that 30% of our Federation's Gross Domestic Product isn't Government Spending, Mr Speaker. Also, The Rt. Honourable Kevin Katdare has done nothing wrong, as you have stated that the Government Budget Act is contentious - not the Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016."

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Postby Ainin » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:26 pm

Freyhill wrote:
Ainin wrote:"Mr. Speaker, the reason that spending as a percentage of GDP is on the rise should be painfully obvious to any diligent observer: since the passage of the August budget, Parliament has instituted more programs, established additional agencies, and placed new requirements that have required an expansion of the federal civil service. Since the passage of the previous budget, programs such as the Elizian Vaccination Bureau, Wildlife Protection Agency, Elizian Railway Administration, National Memorial Commission, Elizian Business Regulator, Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, Detention Service and Kentang Metro have been enacted by this House, usually with broad support from across the aisle."

"Perhaps this may be a revelation to Mr. Tan, but programs cost money. None of these agencies or services come out on the cheap side, and by convention, they must all be funded lest the government fail in its parliamentary obligation to implement and enforce Acts of Parliament. Attacking the budget for overspending is absurd when it is a mere reflection of the legislative agenda of Parliament."

"Perhaps the Government should work to expand the Elizian Market so that 30% of our Federation's Gross Domestic Product isn't Government Spending, Mr Speaker. Also, The Rt. Honourable Kevin Katdare has done nothing wrong, as you have stated that the Government Budget Act is contentious - not the Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016."

Moments Later, Senator Pong showed a massive grin on her face.

"Mr. Speaker, the government is dedicated to economic expansion and recognises that infrastructure investments are the most effective and sustainable manner in which this can be accomplished in a postwar economy, as the world-renowned development expert Sir Paul Collier recommends. This is reflected in our capital spending in this budget, for both reconstruction and expansion of our national infrastructure."

"... and perhaps the honourable lady would care to acquaint herself with the man on the Clapham omnibus and understand that lawyering the letter of the Speaker's word will get her nowhere."

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OOC: List of Cabinet departments; the Environment Department does not have any statutory requirements that require additional appropriations. The Wildlife Protection Agency will be funded by the Home Office as it is a law enforcement agency.
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Postby Coconut Isle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:30 pm

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"This is your last warning, Senator Katdare. I clearly did say at the beginning of the day to stick to the standing rules, which means all discussion will be on the budget."

A parliamentary aide shouts out "ALGAE SUCKS!" in the direction of the Speaker.


"The Parliamentary Aide can remove themselves from the Chamber for 72 hours for being disorderly."

Freyhill wrote: Also, The Rt. Honourable Kevin Katdare has done nothing wrong, as you have stated that the Government Budget Act is contentious - not the Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016."

Moments Later, Senator Pong showed a massive grin on her face.


"You, and I'm sure Senator Katdare know exactly what I meant by the bill, as evidenced from the grin of your face. Don't push it."
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Postby Collatis » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:51 pm

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Collatis wrote:A parliamentary aide shouts out "ALGAE SUCKS!" in the direction of the Speaker.


"The Parliamentary Aide can remove themselves from the Chamber for 72 hours for being disorderly."

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Postby FreYhill » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:22 pm

Ainin wrote:
Freyhill wrote:"Perhaps the Government should work to expand the Elizian Market so that 30% of our Federation's Gross Domestic Product isn't Government Spending, Mr Speaker. Also, The Rt. Honourable Kevin Katdare has done nothing wrong, as you have stated that the Government Budget Act is contentious - not the Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016."

Moments Later, Senator Pong showed a massive grin on her face.

"Mr. Speaker, the government is dedicated to economic expansion and recognises that infrastructure investments are the most effective and sustainable manner in which this can be accomplished in a postwar economy, as the world-renowned development expert Sir Paul Collier recommends. This is reflected in our capital spending in this budget, for both reconstruction and expansion of our national infrastructure."

"... and perhaps the honourable lady would care to acquaint herself with the man on the Clapham omnibus and understand that lawyering the letter of the Speaker's word will get her nowhere."

Roosevetania wrote:OOC: Do we not have more than five departments?

OOC: List of Cabinet departments; the Environment Department does not have any statutory requirements that require additional appropriations. The Wildlife Protection Agency will be funded by the Home Office as it is a law enforcement agency.

"I doubt that the Federal Government is working with the Private Sector on these issues however, Mr Speaker. The Private Sector- both Small and Large, is the backbone of our market, and the growth of the Federation's Gross Domestic Product would be much higher if partisan politics didn't go into account. Although I do support investing in infrastructure, the Government should allow the Private Sector to do much more, whether it is a tax cut, cut of regulation, or even awarding tenders for construction!"

Coconut Isle wrote:
Collatis wrote:A parliamentary aide shouts out "ALGAE SUCKS!" in the direction of the Speaker.


"The Parliamentary Aide can remove themselves from the Chamber for 72 hours for being disorderly."

Freyhill wrote: Also, The Rt. Honourable Kevin Katdare has done nothing wrong, as you have stated that the Government Budget Act is contentious - not the Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016."

Moments Later, Senator Pong showed a massive grin on her face.


"You, and I'm sure Senator Katdare know exactly what I meant by the bill, as evidenced from the grin of your face. Don't push it."


"Mr Speaker, I doubt that you would be targeting members of the National Coalition if they were in the same position, though I wouldn't expect much more from the partisan Elizia First."
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:39 pm

Freyhill wrote:"I doubt that the Federal Government is working with the Private Sector on these issues however, Mr Speaker. The Private Sector- both Small and Large, is the backbone of our market, and the growth of the Federation's Gross Domestic Product would be much higher if partisan politics didn't go into account. Although I do support investing in infrastructure, the Government should allow the Private Sector to do much more, whether it is a tax cut, cut of regulation, or even awarding tenders for construction!"


If the private sector is the backbone of growth in Elizia, Mr. Speaker, then Elizia must be pretty spineless. With private debt mounting and anemic growth in both GDP and incomes, it's time we took the economy in this country and gave it a good kick forwards. We have the capability to develop rapidly in both prosperity and equality. If we wish to do so, then we have to put the government to work for the people and get things moving again. We have the resources, and the government is far better positioned than the private sector to create this progress. The only wages of deregulation would be an influx of international capital, which would exploit our workers and export their hard work overseas while we get pennies in return. This budget is putting money into Elizian pockets and building us a path to the future. By funding this government's agenda of progress and prosperity, we're going to get Elizia working. With unemployment as high as it is and so much suffering among the people, it would be a sin not to take the necessary steps to develop Elizia on its own terms and for the benefit of its people, not international corporations and a rich few. With that in mind, I reiterate my full-throated endorsement of this budget. We're going to strengthen the nation, build a future, and get Elizians working to shape their own future. I can't imagine any better goals than that.
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Postby FreYhill » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:42 pm

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Freyhill wrote:"I doubt that the Federal Government is working with the Private Sector on these issues however, Mr Speaker. The Private Sector- both Small and Large, is the backbone of our market, and the growth of the Federation's Gross Domestic Product would be much higher if partisan politics didn't go into account. Although I do support investing in infrastructure, the Government should allow the Private Sector to do much more, whether it is a tax cut, cut of regulation, or even awarding tenders for construction!"


If the private sector is the backbone of growth in Elizia, Mr. Speaker, then Elizia must be pretty spineless. With private debt mounting and anemic growth in both GDP and incomes, it's time we took the economy in this country and gave it a good kick forwards. We have the capability to develop rapidly in both prosperity and equality. If we wish to do so, then we have to put the government to work for the people and get things moving again. We have the resources, and the government is far better positioned than the private sector to create this progress. The only wages of deregulation would be an influx of international capital, which would exploit our workers and export their hard work overseas while we get pennies in return. This budget is putting money into Elizian pockets and building us a path to the future. By funding this government's agenda of progress and prosperity, we're going to get Elizia working. With unemployment as high as it is and so much suffering among the people, it would be a sin not to take the necessary steps to develop Elizia on its own terms and for the benefit of its people, not international corporations and a rich few. With that in mind, I reiterate my full-throated endorsement of this budget. We're going to strengthen the nation, build a future, and get Elizians working to shape their own future. I can't imagine any better goals than that.

Point of Information, Mr Speaker - what would the Federal Government do to combat this private debt within our glorious Federation?
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:55 pm

Freyhill wrote:Point of Information, Mr Speaker - what would the Federal Government do to combat this private debt within our glorious Federation?


I would respond, Mr. Speaker, that private debt arises from economic actors spending more than they earn. In particular, as the wonderful recent article in the Times of Elizia on the subject showed, there is a great deal of suffering among the farmers who are dealing with low prices, and a shortage of business confidence due to a general lack of economic activity. By stimulating the economy and promoting growth, we can get money flowing in Elizia and get people working again. If we do that, then Elizian citizens and companies will have greater incomes and be able to pay off their debts. By contrast, simply cutting taxes isn't ever going to make enough of a difference in revenues to help businesses get enough money together to make capital investment, let alone pay off their debt. If the government spends, then the people prosper and life improves. If the government cuts, then the only results will be continued low growth, high debt, and immiseration for the underclasses. That's the choice Elizia faces, and there's one obvious answer here.

I hope this answer is to your satisfaction? If not, I'm sure any of my colleagues would be willing to pick up any economic slack I might have left.
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Postby Coconut Isle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:47 pm

Freyhill wrote:"Mr Speaker, I doubt that you would be targeting members of the National Coalition if they were in the same position, though I wouldn't expect much more from the partisan Elizia First."


ORDER - Any more imputations about the impartiality of the chair and the offending member will see themselves out of the chamber. I have been incredibly fair and reasonable. The only reason why I have to constantly call people to order is to ensure all discussion is on the budget. If you behaved like members on my right, or like members on the crossbench, or even behaved like those on your very own side of the chamber, such as Senator Tan or Senator Maxwell, then there would not be a problem. I have no problem working with those who stick to proper procedure -- and anyone knowing the principles of the 'reasonable person' would know what I meant. Stop trying to make excuses and get back to debating on the budget.
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Postby The Intergalactic Universe Corporation » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:12 am

"Mr Speaker, I would like to point out that the private sector has not been able to achieve its full potential because the government is not giving it the chance. If the private sector isn't the true generator of growth, and if, as the members of the National Coalition say, it is truly the government that is the engine of growth, why not, let's put it to a bet, and increase governmental spending to 100% of GDP, wipe out the private sector, and see how well our economy does. If the economy is still in good shape after that, kudos to the National Coalition, and I will withdraw my criticism, however, if the economy crumbles further, I say, give the private sector more room to breathe and curb excess government spending, and remove the National Coalition from power, and install a government which can truly run Elizia properly, the Liberal Coalition."
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:37 am

The Intergalactic Universe Corporation wrote:"Mr Speaker, I would like to point out that the private sector has not been able to achieve its full potential because the government is not giving it the chance. If the private sector isn't the true generator of growth, and if, as the members of the National Coalition say, it is truly the government that is the engine of growth, why not, let's put it to a bet, and increase governmental spending to 100% of GDP, wipe out the private sector, and see how well our economy does. If the economy is still in good shape after that, kudos to the National Coalition, and I will withdraw my criticism, however, if the economy crumbles further, I say, give the private sector more room to breathe and curb excess government spending, and remove the National Coalition from power, and install a government which can truly run Elizia properly, the Liberal Coalition."

"Mr Speaker, why does the member suppose one extreme but willingly ignore the other? Taxing the economy at 100% of its productive output obviously has important ramifications for everyone, as without redistribution many would be unable to eat, have shelter or provide for their families. But taxing the economy at 0% of its productive output is just as destructive: how will the people of Elizia have universal access to hospitals, to education, to police services, to national security, to welfare entitlements, to everything else that has been passed by this Senate? Mr Speaker, there exists a golden mean of government spending, and that happy middle is whatever the level that is defined and passed by this very house. We have passed many bills, we have enacted many government programmes, all to serve our people. By not providing this budget, we are not delivering our duty to the people by refusing them everything we passed in their name."
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"Mr Speaker, what I am saying is that if the government is so sure of the fact that increasing governmental expenditure is right, even as the private sector is floundering and constrained by excessive regulation, why even have the private sector in the first place if all you are going to do is squeeze them and restrict their growth?"
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:11 am

The Intergalactic Universe Corporation wrote:"Mr Speaker, what I am saying is that if the government is so sure of the fact that increasing governmental expenditure is right, even as the private sector is floundering and constrained by excessive regulation, why even have the private sector in the first place if all you are going to do is squeeze them and restrict their growth?"

"Mr Speaker, if the Member has 5 apples and 5 pears, he has a total of 10 fruits. Half of his fruits are apples. Now, Mr Speaker, the Member has 5 more apples. Two thirds of his fruit are apples. Was the 'floundering' number of pears 'constrained', or perhaps even 'squeezed' by the growth of the apples? Of course not."
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:35 am

The Intergalactic Universe Corporation wrote:"Mr Speaker, I would like to point out that the private sector has not been able to achieve its full potential because the government is not giving it the chance. If the private sector isn't the true generator of growth, and if, as the members of the National Coalition say, it is truly the government that is the engine of growth, why not, let's put it to a bet, and increase governmental spending to 100% of GDP, wipe out the private sector, and see how well our economy does. If the economy is still in good shape after that, kudos to the National Coalition, and I will withdraw my criticism, however, if the economy crumbles further, I say, give the private sector more room to breathe and curb excess government spending, and remove the National Coalition from power, and install a government which can truly run Elizia properly, the Liberal Coalition."

"Mr. Speaker, it seems that the honourable gentleman still fails to understand a key concept about the budget: it is a reflection of the legislative agenda of Parliament. Spending is on the increase because Parliament has instituted new programs through its legislative fiat with broad support from across the House, and the government of the day is thereby obligated to fund it lest it fail to execute the will of this supreme body. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that for Mr. Tan to vote for millions in new programs and then to balk at the bill is absurd."
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:37 am

Ainin wrote:"Mr. Speaker, it seems that the honourable gentleman still fails to understand a key concept about the budget: it is a reflection of the legislative agenda of Parliament. Spending is on the increase because Parliament has instituted new programs through its legislative fiat with broad support from across the House, and the government of the day is thereby obligated to fund it lest it fail to execute the will of this supreme body. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that for Mr. Tan to vote for millions in new programs and then to balk at the bill is absurd."


Hear, hear! Mr. Speaker, I must denounce this deliberate attempt to starve out the democratically-instituted programs which this parliament brought into being!
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Postby Roosevetania » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:54 pm

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Freyhill wrote:"Mr Speaker, I doubt that you would be targeting members of the National Coalition if they were in the same position, though I wouldn't expect much more from the partisan Elizia First."


ORDER - Any more imputations about the impartiality of the chair and the offending member will see themselves out of the chamber. I have been incredibly fair and reasonable. The only reason why I have to constantly call people to order is to ensure all discussion is on the budget. If you behaved like members on my right, or like members on the crossbench, or even behaved like those on your very own side of the chamber, such as Senator Tan or Senator Maxwell, then there would not be a problem. I have no problem working with those who stick to proper procedure -- and anyone knowing the principles of the 'reasonable person' would know what I meant. Stop trying to make excuses and get back to debating on the budget.

"Mr. Speaker, there is evidence, though. Members of the National Coalition bickering over trivial things were not called to order or remind to stay on topic."
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Postby Coconut Isle » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:08 pm

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Coconut Isle wrote:
ORDER - Any more imputations about the impartiality of the chair and the offending member will see themselves out of the chamber. I have been incredibly fair and reasonable. The only reason why I have to constantly call people to order is to ensure all discussion is on the budget. If you behaved like members on my right, or like members on the crossbench, or even behaved like those on your very own side of the chamber, such as Senator Tan or Senator Maxwell, then there would not be a problem. I have no problem working with those who stick to proper procedure -- and anyone knowing the principles of the 'reasonable person' would know what I meant. Stop trying to make excuses and get back to debating on the budget.

"Mr. Speaker, there is evidence, though. Members of the National Coalition bickering over trivial things were not called to order or remind to stay on topic."


"ORDER - I have already said what I needed to say. Until you show me where exactly in the budget discussion that the National Coalition have not been discussing the budget via telegram, you can take a forty-eight hour break from the chamber."
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"Order. The time for debate has expired. It is now time for voting. Voting will last 48 hours.

Please copy and paste the following and either vote with AYE, NAY or ABSTAIN. Do NOT put it in any other word or do anything else other than vote (except for procedural matters you wish to raise)"

Representation of the People Act:
Homeless Rights Act:
General Speeches and President’s Questions Act:
Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016:

Bills all as amended:
Representation of the People Act 2016
Author: Richard Lam (Tumbra)
Sponsors: Government
Co-Sponsors: Tjilik Beluluk (Atlantica), Thu Tran (Arachaea), Jaya Wei (Socialist Nordia), Huang Diem *(Britanno 3)

An Act of the Federal Parliament to make provision for a change in the electoral system utilised by the Federation.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


§1 – Constitutional Amendments
1a. Part VI, Section I, Article I, Clause 1 shall have all references to "Schulze Method" replaced with "Mixed-Member Proportional System"

1b. Part V, Section I, Article V shall have the following sections added.

5. Each voter is to cast two ballots.
5a. One ballot shall be for a local representative, with the name of the candidate clearly stated.
5b. One ballot shall be for a party list, where voters choose a party.
5c. The two ballots are to be of different colours that can be discernible from each other. Additional labeling of the ballot paper is also allowed to help colour-blind voters differentiate between the two.

1c. A new section will be added to Part V, Section I, labeled as "Article VI: Counting of Ballots", with content of part labeled below.

1. The votes shall first be sorted according to type.
1a. The vote for a candidate will elect a single member to a geographical constituency.
1ai. The vote for a geographical constituency shall utilise the Schulze method.
1b. The vote for a party will determine how many candidates a party sends to government, and will be counted per province.

2. The list votes are to see how many candidates from each party can be sent, in order to supplement those elected through constituency seats.
2ai. The list seats shall be determined through a closed-list d'Hondt method of proportional representation.
2aii. A candidate standing for a geographic constiuency may not stand for a list seat, and vice versa."

3. Overhang seats are permitted to retain proportionality of the House.

4. Balance seats are not permitted.

5. To gain representation in the House, either a 2.5% vote nationally or 1 direct constituency is required.

§2 – Determination of Multi-Member Proportional Seats
2a. The Electoral Commision will determine the number of list seats afforded to each province before the start of each general election.

2b. Each province is to have a minimum of 3 Senators elected through the list, with more being decided by the Electoral Commission, giving a ratio of 500,000 people per elected MP.

2c. The list of the number of seats afforded to each province is as follows for the next 2 months;
  1. Federal Capital District: 22 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 10 list seats = 35 seats
  2. East Elizia: 18 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 9 list seats = 30 seats
  3. West Elizia: 15 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 8 list seats = 26 seats
  4. Jinyu: 8 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 3 list seats = 14 sears
  5. Kelapas: 7 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 3 list seats = 13 seats
  6. Southern Islands: 3 constituency seats + 3 top-up list seats + 1 list seat = 7 seats

The total size of the house shall be 125 MPs, not accounting for overhang seats.

Homeless Rights Act
| Author: The Hon. Samantha Chow (SEP), Secretary of Public Services |
| Sponsor: Government |
| Co-sponsors: The Rt. Hon Tijah bin Dian (Lykens, SLP); The Hons. Suria bin Suuha (The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism, ENC), Thu Trân (Arachaea, PM); The Hon. Bao Thanh (Greater Istanistan, ECP), Secretary of State for Health and Welfare |

An Act to guarantee the fundamental rights and dignity of mendicants, panhandlers, and the homeless; and for connected purposes.



Definitions

  1. Public-access property: Any (i) public or private outdoors property that is not fenced off or otherwise clearly indicated as restricted, e.g., sidewalks, parks, public gardens, or (ii) indoors property whose access is not restricted to a particular group of persons or during certain hours, e.g., train station lobbies, parking garages.
  2. Protected activities: For the purposes of this Act, activities enumerated under Sections 1 and 2 of this Act.
  3. Compelling reason: A real and present concern that cannot be remedied by any practical means other than a derogation of the right in question, e.g., loitering on a roadway.
  4. Public establishment: Any consumer-oriented business involved primarily in the retail of goods that does not enforce selective entry, e.g., supermarkets, restaurants, convenience stores. Consumer-oriented businesses involved in the retail of services, e.g., hair salons, hotels, gyms, private schools, are not public establishments.
  5. Gross income: Pretax total of all goods and services sold in the current fiscal year.
  6. Fiscal year: 1 January to 31 December of any given calendar year.

§1 - Fundamental rights of the homeless

  1. No person shall be prohibited from lying or sleeping on public-access property unless a compelling health, safety or order reason exists.
  2. No person shall be prohibited from sitting on, or otherwise unintentionally obstructing, a sidewalk, walkway or other public-access property out of necessity unless a compelling health, safety or order reason exists.
  3. No person shall be prohibited from consuming any lawful substance on public-access property, except in a manner explicitly provided for by an Act of Parliament.
  4. No person shall be evicted from derelict or otherwise vacant property unless the lawful owner can provide a financial, development or other compelling reason for such a move.
  5. No public establishment shall restrict reasonable and timely use of its lavatories and public sanitation facilities to any person for any reason.
  6. No person shall be held liable for an administrative or criminal offence for loitering on public-access property.
  7. No person shall be held liable for an administrative or criminal offence for erecting a tent or other temporary housing structure without prior planning approval in the event that no reasonable alternative exists.
  8. No person shall be held liable for an administrative or criminal offence for sleeping in their motor vehicle or parking the vehicle for a lengthy duration of time in an area without parking restrictions.
  9. No homeless person shall be held liable for an administrative or criminal offence for public urination or defecation if no public facilities exist nearby.
  10. No local government authority shall enact any bylaws that violate these fundamental rights.

§2 - Protections for mendicants and panhandlers

  1. No person shall be prohibited from engaging in the solicitation of currency or other goods on public-access property, insofar as the behaviour does not disturb the peace and dignity of the state.
  2. No person shall be prohibited from taking items from garbage bins, waste containers and unwanted detritus located on public-access property.
  3. No person shall be denied access to any facility or service that they are entitled to by law based on a lack of fixed address, income, or non-critical documents.
  4. No public establishment shall deny a person any reasonable quantity of tap water if access to the public water supply is available in said establishment.
  5. No person shall be held liable for an administrative or criminal offence for sharing food, currency or other goods and services with a homeless person.

§3 - Equal opportunity in employment

  1. Criminal or mental confinement background checks are prohibited in private employment, with the exception of the following sectors and occupations:
    a. Private security,
    b. Education,
    c. Health care,
    d. Clergy or other religious officials,
    e. Occupations in which trade secrets are handled on a regular basis.
  2. No private employer, save for the aforementioned exceptions, may discriminate against a job applicant based on past felonious convictions or mental health confinements.
  3. No private employer may discriminate against a job applicant based on past misdemeanour or administrative convictions.
  4. No private employer may discriminate against a job applicant for personal beliefs that do not directly and demonstrably impede their ability to perform the contractually-required tasks.
  5. No private employer may consider past income or home ownership status as part of the employment process.

§4 - Enforcement

  1. Whoever prevents or unreasonably hinders a person from lawfully enjoying their protected rights is liable for an administrative offence and shall be fined up to US$500.
  2. Whoever harasses a person exercising their protected rights is liable for an administrative offence and shall be fined up to US$200.
  3. Whoever erects structures, e.g., spikes, for the primary purpose of denying protected use of public-access property is liable for an administrative offence and shall be fined up to US$1,000.
  4. Whoever compels another person to engage in the solicitation of currency or other goods for undue gain is liable for an administrative offence and shall be fined up to US$2,500.
  5. Whichever company engages in discriminatory employment practices prohibited by Section 3 of this Act is liable for an administrative offence punishable by a fine of up to 5% of gross income.
  6. Whoever knowingly enforces any law, bylaw or executive order contrary to this Act is guilty of neglectful depravation, a felony, and liable for five (5) years' imprisonment.

§5 - Entry into force
  1. This act shall come into effect upon the moment of its assent by the respective authority.
  2. Section 1.2 of this Act does not preclude enforcement of tobacco- and drug-control legislation.

General Speeches and President’s Questions Act

Author: Pong Ninghong (LDP)
Sponsors: Richard Lam (Ind.), Arthur Tan (LDP), Michel Nugati (SLP), Faisal Sharif (Ind.), Suria bin Suuha (ENC), Adiputri bin Sayang (SLP), Quân Công Phạm (SLP)
An act to repeal the Free Questions Act and allow for Senators to give speeches pertaining to issues important to them and regulate and refine the process of President’s Questions Time..

Section I: Repeal
a. The Free Questions Act is struck null and void.

Section II: General Speeches
a. One day per week may be designated by the Speaker as General Speeches Day.
b. Members may make speeches the entire day, with no votes or legislation to debate.
c. General Speeches Day may only occur once a week but no less than twice a month.
d. General Speeches Day may not occur during the same week as President’s Questions.

Section III: President’s Questions
a. One day out of the week may be designated by the Speaker for President’s Questions.
b. The President shall be called to the Chamber to answer questions from the Opposition, other parliamentary groups, and government backbenchers.
c. President’s Questions may only occur once a week but no less than twice a month.
d. During President’s Questions the Opposition coalition shall receive six questions, parliamentary groups with at least five members shall receive four questions, and parliamentary groups with less than five members shall receive two questions. Government backbenchers may ask up to six questions.
e. All questions are subject to follow up questions.
f. Should the President be called away before the expiration of President’s Questions, they shall be required to answer any unanswered questions in writing to the Member who asked the question, the Clerk, and the Speaker.
Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016
Author: Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang
Sponsors: Government

The budget of the Federal Government of Elizia for the month of October 2016.


Foreword
This is a retrospective budget for the month of October 2016.
Government of Elizia


BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


§1 - Budget Appropriations
a) The following Offices of State shall receive the following appropriations for current spending, in millions of US dollars:
    i.) Office of the President and the Administration of the Offices of State: $420.0
    ii.) Office of the Home Secretary: $2,500.0
    iii.) Office of the Foreign Secretary: $10.0
    iv.) Office of the Public Services Secretary: $10,500.0
    v.) Office of the Social Development Secretary: $500
b. The following amounts will be used to pay off the interest accrued on Elizia's sovereign debt, in millions of US dollars:
    i.) Debt interest: $1,155.3

§2 - Capital (Investment) Budget Appropriations
a) The following Offices of State shall receive the following appropriations for capital spending, in millions of US dollars:
    i.) Office of the Financial Affairs Secretary: $1,000.0

§3 - Summary
a) For the current budget, the following total appropriations are, in US millions of dollars:
    i.) Current Spending: $15,085.3 (37.3% of GDP)
b) For the capital (investment) budget, the following total appropriations are, in US millions of dollars:
    i.) Investment Spending: $1,000.0 (2.5% of GDP)
c) For the total spending appropriations, inclusive of current and capital (investment) spending and debt interest repayments, the following total appropriations are, in US millions of dollars:
    i.) Total Spending: $16,085.3 (39.8% of GDP)

§4 - Miscellaneous
a) The dollar value of the above appropriations will be converted into Elizian Bulats at an exchange rate of one (1) United States Dollar representing twenty point five (20.50) Elizian Bulats.
b) Offices of State will receive their Appropriations in Elizian Bulats at the exchange rate given above, and not in United States Dollars.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:57 am

Representation of the People Act: AYE
Homeless Rights Act: AYE
General Speeches and President’s Questions Act: AYE
Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016: AYE
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Postby Eredion » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:01 am

Representation of the People Act: AYE
Homeless Rights Act: AYE
General Speeches and President’s Questions Act: AYE
Federal Government Budget of Elizia October 2016: AYE
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