UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Vassenor]

Do you realise that that is a graph of United States pay and productivity and they get that result by ignoring non-salary benefits.

I certainly knew the first.

I doubt that the second has that great a bearing.

Also how does that explain companies like Wal-Mart that deliberately structure contracts so they do not have to provide non-salary benefits?

[The Nihilistic view]

Lamadia it's absolutely disgusting that you beat IR with his mental issues as if that somehow equals a mentally healthy IR could not do it. It's called mental health for a reason, it impacts on the ability of people to function properly. Nothing to do with raw ability.

You should bloody well apologise.

[Pandect]

False flag confirmed.

Actually for that matter I could imagine Lamadia saying something like that. The syntax is too similar.

Can you not even read the founding date under my name? Perhaps you felt that similar 'triggered' response when someone said something you didn't agree with. I couldn't care less for either person's attitude. I ought to be used to people being idiots on here by now.

[Freefall11111]

False flag confirmed.

Actually for that matter I could imagine Lamadia saying something like that. The syntax is too similar.

You misunderstood my post.

[Valaran]

Things could go badly before the two year period is up.

They will, but it will be minor. Inflation will rise temporarily, and uncertainty will naturally have some effect. We may see a hiring slowdown/freeze, and this is not to mention structural issues in the UK economy. Investment may also be lowered. However, none of these are espcially persistent or grave, at least in the immediate term. It is unlikely that pensions or mortgages will be greatly hit, and there is debate over the effect on gilt yields. We won't get any of the putative effects of a hard brexit during this period, as nothing will have materially changed during negotiations with the EU. So, inflation rises during this period probably won't be severe/sustained (its largely due to the pound's current turmoil), and nor will job losses. Losses from investment and the double deficits are also more medium-long term issues than short term ones, and the public won't give a shit if the banks continue to ail. These only become issues for the electorate when they ripple downwards, and that probably won't happen immediately, or sharply during the negotiations.

The presence of only muted economic issues is unlikely to serious cause political fallout, unless the public's tolerance really is rockbottom (which I would consider to be a dubious assertion). These can also be mitigated by the press, perceptions, and espcially so if there is no one sufficiently high up and popular to trumpet them.

So, I can't really project that the issues which may arise during the negotiating period will seriously hit these polling figures. To assume otherwise strikes me as overly optimistic/pessimistic (depending on your view).

[Lamadia 2016]

You keep calling me a schoolgirl, too, which is creepy.
What I'm saying is, and what you are failing to grasp, is that the way you are talking to me seems quite unusual, and unless you want people to talk, you should stop. Adult talking to a 'kid' on the internet, calling her a 'schoolgirl' and a 'bitch'- a bit odd to be doing at nearly midnight?

Are you for real?

Squirt, I mean if you're too unintelligent and slow to understand what I'm saying and genuinely fear for yourself, you have an option to log out.

Don't dish crap out and expect to have some cards to defend yourself you can wield at your pleasure and don't try twist this into something this isn't.

I'm just saying you want to be careful.
A man talking like that to a girl isn't considered acceptable, especially with the connotations applied to the phrases you have used. I shouldn't have to log out- I shouldn't have to fear being objectified or attacked by a stranger seemingly obsessed with my gender and age online, and furthermore shouldn't have to cope with the abuse.
Regardless, we will let staff sort it out, and I suggest leaving it until they do.

Lamadia it's absolutely disgusting that you beat IR with his mental issues as if that somehow equals a mentally healthy IR could not do it. It's called mental health for a reason, it impacts on the ability of people to function properly. Nothing to do with raw ability.

You should bloody well apologise.

What the hell are you talking about? Whatever goes on in IR's life has absolutely nothing to do with me, and I certainly haven't brought them up in this debate.

[South Park Labourite]

Actually for that matter I could imagine Lamadia saying something like that. The syntax is too similar.

Can you not even read the founding date under my name? Perhaps you felt that similar 'triggered' response when someone said something you didn't agree with. I couldn't care less for either person's attitude. I ought to be used to people being idiots on here by now.

Can you cry into that Lamadia river, need more salt for my chips?

[Salandriagado]

I forget; do secondary school students still have to do work placements?

In state schools, yes. Not sure about private schools. I think it varies.

[Salandriagado]

No, I'm not proposing a productivity drop at all. You pre-suppose some innate value of labour. Labour has value only insomuch as it's more cost effective than the alternative. I'm anticipating production methods that don't involve labour becoming cheaper until they can give more productivity than human labour for less cost.

You think that wages will decrease despite productivity increasing, which makes no sense.

At no point have I said that wages will decrease. Are you even reading my post, or just grabbing responses from a random list?

EDIT: Also, your statement is still fundamentally based in the incorrect assumption that things (in particular productive labour) have inherent value, and that companies will always pay in proportion to productivity. This is utter and complete bullshit, like all other parts of supply-side economics. Companies pay the least that they can get away with paying, regardless of productivity.

[Lamadia 2016]

I forget; do secondary school students still have to do work placements?

In state schools, yes. Not sure about private schools. I think it varies.

I had to do it.
I visited if I recall a few places; did some work with the Home Office, with the Cabinet Office, and also opted for a placement in an investment institution in London. I think they should be encouraged on schools by the government- they have added benefits of discussing future career options with potential employers, as well as generating skills and innovations.

[Valaran]

Not sure about private schools. I think it varies.

That it does.

[Pandect]

They will, but it will be minor. Inflation will rise temporarily, and uncertainty will naturally have some effect.

Agreed. People seem to think that Brexit is the end of the world or something. Fat chance of much changing in the short-term whether we stay or go.

It ought to have been obvious to anyone that there was going to be some fluctuation in our economy due to the way risk-based finances work, and this was a perfectly acceptable short-term outcome to me at least. Long term I think we'll be better off than other European countries.

[South Park Labourite]

Are you for real?

Squirt, I mean if you're too unintelligent and slow to understand what I'm saying and genuinely fear for yourself, you have an option to log out.

Don't dish crap out and expect to have some cards to defend yourself you can wield at your pleasure and don't try twist this into something this isn't.

I'm just saying you want to be careful.
A man talking like that to a girl isn't considered acceptable, especially with the connotations applied to the phrases you have used. I shouldn't have to log out- I shouldn't have to fear being objectified or attacked by a stranger seemingly obsessed with my gender and age online, and furthermore shouldn't have to cope with the abuse.
Regardless, we will let staff sort it out, and I suggest leaving it until they do.

Lamadia it's absolutely disgusting that you beat IR with his mental issues as if that somehow equals a mentally healthy IR could not do it. It's called mental health for a reason, it impacts on the ability of people to function properly. Nothing to do with raw ability.

You should bloody well apologise.

What the hell are you talking about? Whatever goes on in IR's life has absolutely nothing to do with me, and I certainly haven't brought them up in this debate.

I'll tell you something - people here shouldn't have to cope with such crap. If there was someone at a workplace with an attitude like yours, they'd be sacked - you make people feel shitty constantly and when someone is down you keep kicking. You behave in a toxified manner that is hurtful - I dunno why you're crying victim, because you're certainly not.

[South Park Labourite]

In state schools, yes. Not sure about private schools. I think it varies.

I had to do it.
I visited if I recall a few places; did some work with the Home Office, with the Cabinet Office, and also opted for a placement in an investment institution in London. I think they should be encouraged on schools by the government- they have added benefits of discussing future career options with potential employers, as well as generating skills and innovations.

Why did they not send you on a social interactions course instead ?

[Vassenor]

They will, but it will be minor. Inflation will rise temporarily, and uncertainty will naturally have some effect.

Agreed. People seem to think that Brexit is the end of the world or something. Fat chance of much changing in the short-term whether we stay or go.

It ought to have been obvious to anyone that there was going to be some fluctuation in our economy due to the way risk-based finances work, and this was a perfectly acceptable short-term outcome to me at least. Long term I think we'll be better off than other European countries.

And what are you using to form this hypothesis?

[Lamadia 2016]

I'm just saying you want to be careful.
A man talking like that to a girl isn't considered acceptable, especially with the connotations applied to the phrases you have used. I shouldn't have to log out- I shouldn't have to fear being objectified or attacked by a stranger seemingly obsessed with my gender and age online, and furthermore shouldn't have to cope with the abuse.
Regardless, we will let staff sort it out, and I suggest leaving it until they do.

What the hell are you talking about? Whatever goes on in IR's life has absolutely nothing to do with me, and I certainly haven't brought them up in this debate.

I'll tell you something - people here shouldn't have to cope with such crap. If there was someone at a workplace with an attitude like yours, they'd be sacked - you make people feel shitty constantly and when someone is down you keep kicking. You behave in a toxified manner that is hurtful - I dunno why you're crying victim, because you're certainly not.

A final word from me; I am not 'crying victim', I am asking for help because a stranger online is calling me a 'bitch', and continues to put emphasis on my age and gender. It is something that should be checked out, as there are under 16s who play this game.
Now stop arguing.

[Dooom35796821595]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37845817

Our country is facing austerity and constant cuts to public services. But can't let a multi-billion pound football club pay for their own bloody stadium, that's something for taxpayers to bear.

[Salandriagado]

I'll tell you something - people here shouldn't have to cope with such crap. If there was someone at a workplace with an attitude like yours, they'd be sacked - you make people feel shitty constantly and when someone is down you keep kicking. You behave in a toxified manner that is hurtful - I dunno why you're crying victim, because you're certainly not.

A final word from me; I am not 'crying victim', I am asking for help because a stranger online is calling me a 'bitch', and continues to put emphasis on my age and gender. It is something that should be checked out, as there are under 16s who play this game.
Now stop arguing.

The correct way to deal with such things is to report it in the moderation forum. Do that, if you haven't already, and add South Park Labourite to your block list if you no longer wish to see posts like that.

[Valaran]

They will, but it will be minor. Inflation will rise temporarily, and uncertainty will naturally have some effect.

Agreed. People seem to think that Brexit is the end of the world or something. Fat chance of much changing in the short-term whether we stay or go.

It ought to have been obvious to anyone that there was going to be some fluctuation in our economy due to the way risk-based finances work, and this was a perfectly acceptable short-term outcome to me at least. Long term I think we'll be better off than other European countries.

Well ok then.

[The Nihilistic view]

Are you for real?

Squirt, I mean if you're too unintelligent and slow to understand what I'm saying and genuinely fear for yourself, you have an option to log out.

Don't dish crap out and expect to have some cards to defend yourself you can wield at your pleasure and don't try twist this into something this isn't.

I'm just saying you want to be careful.
A man talking like that to a girl isn't considered acceptable, especially with the connotations applied to the phrases you have used. I shouldn't have to log out- I shouldn't have to fear being objectified or attacked by a stranger seemingly obsessed with my gender and age online, and furthermore shouldn't have to cope with the abuse.
Regardless, we will let staff sort it out, and I suggest leaving it until they do.

Lamadia it's absolutely disgusting that you beat IR with his mental issues as if that somehow equals a mentally healthy IR could not do it. It's called mental health for a reason, it impacts on the ability of people to function properly. Nothing to do with raw ability.

You should bloody well apologise.

What the hell are you talking about? Whatever goes on in IR's life has absolutely nothing to do with me, and I certainly haven't brought them up in this debate.

Don't play dumb, it's unbecoming. You know exactly which posts I refer to.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'll tell you something - people here shouldn't have to cope with such crap. If there was someone at a workplace with an attitude like yours, they'd be sacked - you make people feel shitty constantly and when someone is down you keep kicking. You behave in a toxified manner that is hurtful - I dunno why you're crying victim, because you're certainly not.

A final word from me; I am not 'crying victim', I am asking for help because a stranger online is calling me a 'bitch', and continues to put emphasis on my age and gender. It is something that should be checked out, as there are under 16s who play this game.
Now stop arguing.

He's the same age as you.

[South Park Labourite]

I'll tell you something - people here shouldn't have to cope with such crap. If there was someone at a workplace with an attitude like yours, they'd be sacked - you make people feel shitty constantly and when someone is down you keep kicking. You behave in a toxified manner that is hurtful - I dunno why you're crying victim, because you're certainly not.

A final word from me; I am not 'crying victim', I am asking for help because a stranger online is calling me a 'bitch', and continues to put emphasis on my age and gender. It is something that should be checked out, as there are under 16s who play this game.
Now stop arguing.

Alright you special snokeflake, make sure you fall on a ashtray of cigarette ash so you melt and burn quick. While you're at it have the common decency to apologise to IR.

[Pandect]

And what are you using to form this hypothesis?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to trot out some lovely white papers or bar charts on how the Euro is going to suddenly collapse and leave Britain looking like it made the smart choice. My thinking on this is purely my own personal feelings.

My actual reason for wanting to leave the EU was about sovereign power and the accountability of the institutions of the EU. I was pro-EU right up until I did European Law.

[Valaran]

Well, this is getting awfully personal.

[Dalvius]

Can you not even read the founding date under my name? Perhaps you felt that similar 'triggered' response when someone said something you didn't agree with. I couldn't care less for either person's attitude. I ought to be used to people being idiots on here by now.

Can you cry into that Lamadia river, need more salt for my chips?

A final word from me; I am not 'crying victim', I am asking for help because a stranger online is calling me a 'bitch', and continues to put emphasis on my age and gender. It is something that should be checked out, as there are under 16s who play this game.
Now stop arguing.

Alright you special snokeflake, make sure you fall on a ashtray of cigarette ash so you melt and burn quick. While you're at it have the common decency to apologise to IR.

Man, you really are something special. Why the hate? Why can't we all be friends?