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by Ithreland » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:33 pm
by Araraukar » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:52 pm
Ithreland wrote:Should Council members act as "Mentors" too?
Whatever a "Mentor" is in this context, it can probably be done by the "Mentors". The less things you're doing, the better you do them. Unless it means mentorship for the Council, in which case it seems like a good idea.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:52 pm
Ithreland wrote:How should members of the Council be selected in the long-run?
Not by the Council, nor by mods. Both of those are limited groups, and the former would be like a POTUS handing off the presidency to his wife/friends. Probably just a general election from a group of people who check all the figurative boxes on a list of standards, as is suggested in the OP.
by Tinhampton » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:40 pm
by Tzorsland » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:48 pm
by Christian Democrats » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:48 am
Tzorsland wrote:I would prefer majority and minority opinions over mere vote counts.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Araraukar » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:12 am
Christian Democrats wrote:Me too, at least for the most part. Although, dissenting without opinion is an established practice in some places.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bears Armed Mission » Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:46 am
Araraukar wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:Me too, at least for the most part. Although, dissenting without opinion is an established practice in some places.
Also wondering if it's necessary to mark how many councilors were absent (presuming some sensible time limit is put on their voting on a case) or needed to excuse theirselves due to being too connected to the proposal at hand.
by Tzorsland » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:32 am
Araraukar wrote:Also wondering if it's necessary to mark how many councilors were absent (presuming some sensible time limit is put on their voting on a case) or needed to excuse theirselves due to being too connected to the proposal at hand.
by Lobbyists » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:42 am
Sedgistan wrote:A quick announcement - the following people have been appointed as the six Secretariat members:
Bears Armed
Christian Democrats
Glen-Rhodes
Sciongrad
Separatist Peoples
Sierra Lyricalia
by Araraukar » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:54 am
Sedgistan wrote:A quick announcement - the following people have been appointed as the six Secretariat members:
Bears Armed
Christian Democrats
Glen-Rhodes
Sciongrad
Separatist Peoples
Sierra Lyricalia
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by The Elba » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:29 am
Sedgistan wrote:A quick announcement - the following people have been appointed as the six Secretariat members:
Bears Armed
Christian Democrats
Glen-Rhodes
Sciongrad
Separatist Peoples
Sierra Lyricalia
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:35 am
The Elba wrote:Glen-Rhodes hasn't been very much involved in the GA since eons - his latest posts on GA proposals was in May - five months ago.
And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
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by Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:43 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
I'm pretty sure that CD may recuse himself when abortion topics come up.
Or maybe not. I mean, the pro-choice members probably won't recuse themselves, so we need to balance it out, right?
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:47 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:Exactly. I think the concern was personal bias, not issue bias. Pretending unpopular viewpoints are sufficiently biased to merit exclusion will turn the GA into an echo chamber.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Talkistan » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:47 am
The Elba wrote:And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
by Elke and Elba » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:47 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:The Elba wrote:Glen-Rhodes hasn't been very much involved in the GA since eons - his latest posts on GA proposals was in May - five months ago.
GR has been using a puppet. I think the name is Sandaoguo or something.And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
I'm pretty sure that CD may recuse himself when abortion topics come up.
Or maybe not. I mean, the pro-choice members probably won't recuse themselves, so we need to balance it out, right?
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Sciongrad » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:49 am
The Elba wrote:And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
by Elke and Elba » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:51 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:
I'm pretty sure that CD may recuse himself when abortion topics come up.
Or maybe not. I mean, the pro-choice members probably won't recuse themselves, so we need to balance it out, right?
Exactly. I think the concern was personal bias, not issue bias. Pretending unpopular viewpoints are sufficiently biased to merit exclusion will turn the GA into an echo chamber.
Talkistan wrote:The Elba wrote:And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
We can start by hoping that CD (and anyone else on the Secretariat) is professional enough to keep their personal/political views from interfering with their legal views.
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:54 am
Elke and Elba wrote:CD actively works himself and promotes on abortion topics and works with a hardline stance against it and has the active agenda to repeal OA/RP when the chance comes with members such as Ovybia. SP/Scion/Bears don't.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Elke and Elba » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:58 am
Sciongrad wrote:The Elba wrote:And how will moderators and administrators ensure, that members such as Christian Democrats do not pervade his own beliefs on abortion - given his longstanding opposition to it in both RF and OA, as well as promoting anti-abortion regulation in his work as part of the GAS?
I don't think this is fair. You're concerned that CD might let his personal views influence his legal opinions, but you're not concerned that the rest of us will be similarly biased? We're all mature and capable of determining when to recuse ourselves and when to put issue bias aside to reach a fair conclusion. CD's personal views are irrelevant.
Excidium Planetis wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:CD actively works himself and promotes on abortion topics and works with a hardline stance against it and has the active agenda to repeal OA/RP when the chance comes with members such as Ovybia. SP/Scion/Bears don't.
IIRC, Sciongrad actually authored, submitted, and campaigned for a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms.
But that's besides the point. As Sciongrad pointed out, why are you not concerned about bias in the other members? I'm sure they all have views on abortion too. Why is it only CD that concerns you?
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:04 am
Elke and Elba wrote:Because CD has a history of intertwining into abortion arguments regardless of forum (be it GA or General or elsewhere), and there are more evidence about bias than not.
What does it say when more than 10% of CD's posts on the NationStates forum have to do with abortion? We're not taking about 10, nor 50. It's almost a thousand.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:07 am
Elke and Elba wrote:Sciongrad wrote:I don't think this is fair. You're concerned that CD might let his personal views influence his legal opinions, but you're not concerned that the rest of us will be similarly biased? We're all mature and capable of determining when to recuse ourselves and when to put issue bias aside to reach a fair conclusion. CD's personal views are irrelevant.Excidium Planetis wrote:IIRC, Sciongrad actually authored, submitted, and campaigned for a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms.
But that's besides the point. As Sciongrad pointed out, why are you not concerned about bias in the other members? I'm sure they all have views on abortion too. Why is it only CD that concerns you?
Because CD has a history of intertwining into abortion arguments regardless of forum (be it GA or General or elsewhere), and there are more evidence about bias than not.
What does it say when more than 10% of CD's posts on the NationStates forum have to do with abortion? We're not taking about 10, nor 50. It's almost a thousand.
by Elke and Elba » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:09 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:Because CD has a history of intertwining into abortion arguments regardless of forum (be it GA or General or elsewhere), and there are more evidence about bias than not.
What does it say when more than 10% of CD's posts on the NationStates forum have to do with abortion? We're not taking about 10, nor 50. It's almost a thousand.
And? CD is merely more outspoken about his views. Any of the other 5 council members has an opinion on abortion, I'm sure. It could even be a strong one.
I think it is actually better that CD has made so many posts about his views. At least we know he has a bias. We don't really know with the others.
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
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