Right Wing Discussion Thread V - Emperor's Holy Inquisition

[FelrikTheDeleted]

No religion (and that include Atheism) should be taught in school. Period.

Bloody secularist.

What do you find wrong with being a Secularist?

[The East Marches]

Thats it for me ladies, I've a flight to catch. I'll reply when I return.

[Conscentia]

Its not a slippery slope when you see another country tumble down the slide into ruin. Its calling learning from experience. The UK has managed to piss away its freedoms. I'd prefer not to see us to the same under the guise of "compassion".

It is when you suggest that school uniforms are somehow the beginning of a slippery slope towards that.

[United Marxist Nations]

Bloody secularist.

What do you find wrong with being a Secularist?

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Thats it for me ladies, I've a flight to catch.

cya.

[The East Marches]

Its not a slippery slope when you see another country tumble down the slide into ruin. Its calling learning from experience. The UK has managed to piss away its freedoms. I'd prefer not to see us to the same under the guise of "compassion".

Is is when you suggest that school uniforms are somehow the beginning of a slippery slope towards that.

Not I wasn't suggesting that school uniforms were the start, I was suggesting that the personal views of Spaghetti Monster and his ilk towards speech are. History has proven me correct in believing they are a prelude to disaster and retarded things. If we can't learn from experience, what is the point of studying history?

[Diopolis]

What do you find wrong with being a Secularist?

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

It's ignorant of fundamental reality too. It claims to be a neutral position, when it in fact treats atheism as fact.

[United Marxist Nations]

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

It's ignorant of fundamental reality too. It claims to be a neutral position, when it in fact treats atheism as fact.

Precisely.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

It's ignorant of fundamental reality too. It claims to be a neutral position, when it in fact treats atheism as fact.

How so?

[Aelex]

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

Good thing that both have no place in school.

[-Fahrong-]

Bloody secularist.

What do you find wrong with being a Secularist?

Its not really neutral, its suppression, someone who is truly religious could not sit idly by some moral injustices protected by secularism. It also encourages removing the spiritual worlds importance in life.

[United Marxist Nations]

It's ignorant of fundamental reality too. It claims to be a neutral position, when it in fact treats atheism as fact.

How so?

It expects us to abandon our beliefs to support policy that we cannot support.

[Aelex]

It's ignorant of fundamental reality too. It claims to be a neutral position, when it in fact treats atheism as fact.

Which is why I said that I'm for all religions including Atheism to be not taught in schools.

[-Fahrong-]

Because it's ignorant of the idea of a fundamental belief. We can't separate our political views from our religious views.

Good thing that both have no place in school.

What is the point of school? If it is to make a boy into a man, to build up a functional generation, then to do so without imbuing them with transmaterial thinking is setting them up for failure.

[Aelex]

It expects us to abandon our beliefs to support policy that we cannot support.

How is not teaching religion in school "abandonning all your beliefs"?

[Aelex]

What is the point of school? If it is to make a boy into a man, to build up a functional generation, then to do so without imbuing them with transmaterial thinking is setting them up for failure.

Hardly. School is to give to everyone the opportunity to educate themselves. It's up to oneself to chose between Atheism, Apathy and Belief.
I personnaly think that the last is the best but I know by experience that trying to force it will just turn more people away from it than anything else.

[United Marxist Nations]

It expects us to abandon our beliefs to support policy that we cannot support.

How is not teaching religion in school "abandonning all your beliefs"?

Not just that, that is tolerable. I mean expecting us to support things like abortion and gay marriage, and other societal ills.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What do you find wrong with being a Secularist?

Its not really neutral, its suppression, someone who is truly religious could not sit idly by some moral injustices protected by secularism. It also encourages removing the spiritual worlds importance in life.

Who says that they're moral injustices, you? your God? morals are subjective, who's to say yours are right and theirs are wrong.

[United Marxist Nations]

Its not really neutral, its suppression, someone who is truly religious could not sit idly by some moral injustices protected by secularism. It also encourages removing the spiritual worlds importance in life.

Who says that they're moral injustices, you? your God? morals are subjective, who's to say yours are right and theirs are wrong.

We believe they are injustices. Like I said, secularism just expects us to abandon our views when they are inconvenient to liberals.

[Aelex]

Not just that, that is tolerable. I mean expecting us to support things like abortion and gay marriage, and other societal ills.

No one said anything of the kind. I'm personnaly neutral toward some types of abortion that I view as mercy killing while opposed to others. I don't give much shit about gay marriage as civil union is not "true" marriage anyway.

[-Fahrong-]

Its not really neutral, its suppression, someone who is truly religious could not sit idly by some moral injustices protected by secularism. It also encourages removing the spiritual worlds importance in life.

Who says that they're moral injustices, you? your God? morals are subjective, who's to say yours are right and theirs are wrong.

Morals are objective, the Church sets these as gathered from the word of God, the state then has the monopoly of violence to enforce it, though including it in education makes such criminals less likely to appear.

What is the point of school? If it is to make a boy into a man, to build up a functional generation, then to do so without imbuing them with transmaterial thinking is setting them up for failure.

Hardly. School is to give to everyone the opportunity to educate themselves. It's up to oneself to chose between Atheism, Apathy and Belief.
I personnaly think that the last is the best but I know by experience that trying to force it will just turn more people away from it than anything else.

An education system that focuses on having people learn things on their own? Well that doesnt seem to be how public schools work at all!

[Conserative Morality]

Not just that, that is tolerable. I mean expecting us to support things like abortion and gay marriage, and other societal ills.

And in exchange, we tolerate religious communities, child indoctrination, and other societal ills.

[Aelex]

Who says that they're moral injustices, you? your God? morals are subjective, who's to say yours are right and theirs are wrong.

Ethics are subjectives because they're humans creation. Moral aren't because they're God-given.

[Conserative Morality]

We believe they are injustices. Like I said, secularism just expects us to abandon our views when they are inconvenient to liberals.

Secularism expects everyone to abandon any position regarding the imposition of their views when it violates the liberty of others.

[United Marxist Nations]

Not just that, that is tolerable. I mean expecting us to support things like abortion and gay marriage, and other societal ills.

And in exchange, we tolerate religious communities, child indoctrination, and other societal ills.

I don't think they're negotiable. I don't pretend that I disagree with getting rid of liberalism.