Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Free Rhenish States]

I'm pretty sure Pastor Terry Jones also bows to Allah in his false religion.

Shi'a and Ibadi are still considered Muslims though.

Disagreements ensue. But the things they believe and do that Sunnis consider heterodox are simply not enough to make them non Muslims.

I know, I am Sunni and I acknowledge not every Shia, Ibadi and Sufi is a kaffir, I just saw this as an opportunity to joke.

You still got Eel, Squid and the good stuff anyway.

Squid is allowed? I never eat that much fish anyway. Except for smoked salmon, I love that.

I'm pretty sure Pastor Terry Jones also bows to Allah in his false religion.

He would be the first Christian to acknowledge the Quran then.

I was specifically refering to fitnah in the Islamic community. Knowing that he is not part of said community, I do not take him into consideration.

Awww
Okay

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

Shi'a and Ibadi are still considered Muslims though.

Disagreements ensue. But the things they believe and do that Sunnis consider heterodox are simply not enough to make them non Muslims.

I know, I am Sunni and I acknowledge not every Shia, Ibadi and Sufi is a kaffir, I just saw this as an opportunity to joke.

Squid is allowed? I never eat that much fish anyway. Except for smoked salmon, I love that.


He would be the first Christian to acknowledge the Quran then.

I was specifically refering to fitnah in the Islamic community. Knowing that he is not part of said community, I do not take him into consideration.

Awww
Okay

I see, my joke detector is crap on the internet though.

Tamam abi, I got your back.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Shi'a and Ibadi are still considered Muslims though.

Disagreements ensue. But the things they believe and do that Sunnis consider heterodox are simply not enough to make them non Muslims.

I know, I am Sunni and I acknowledge not every Shia, Ibadi and Sufi is a kaffir, I just saw this as an opportunity to joke.

Ohhh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9wcCUZqXyQ

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

On another note; if you go to the mosque to do prayers, how many minutes do you arrive before adhaan?

I usually am in the prayer hall 30 minutes before adhan, the struggles of waiting tho. My paranoia of coming too late is not good.

[Jochizyd Republic]

On another note; if you go to the mosque to do prayers, how many minutes do you arrive before adhaan?

I usually am in the prayer hall 30 minutes before adhan, the struggles of waiting tho. My paranoia of coming too late is not good.

A few minutes before. I try to get in before it's packed.

[Free Rhenish States]

I know, I am Sunni and I acknowledge not every Shia, Ibadi and Sufi is a kaffir, I just saw this as an opportunity to joke.

Awww
Okay

I see, my joke detector is crap on the internet though.

Tamam abi, I got your back.

I know, I am Sunni and I acknowledge not every Shia, Ibadi and Sufi is a kaffir, I just saw this as an opportunity to joke.

Ohhh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9wcCUZqXyQ

So like
How are you doing? xD You and Caliphate of the Netherlands.

[Jochizyd Republic]

So like
How are you doing? xD You and Caliphate of the Netherlands.

Not doing too bad. Midterms are coming up and so are some holidays where I get to visit family. So that's good. Not much else going on. Just trying to keep my head above water in college.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

Bretty good. Had my exams, passed them almost (kek one too much mistake to pass in every three of the tests) but hopefully they will lower the norms so I will pass anyway.

Other than that holidays now with no homework so just chill.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are Sunni's transgressing by that same metric?

If it isn't clear enough already, He follows his own Reformist Nondenominational Modernist type of Islam that mixes Borderline Qur'anism, Pan Africanism, and an extremely liberal use of itjihad.

Friggin false.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm pretty sure Pastor Terry Jones also bows to Allah in his false religion.

Shi'a and Ibadi are still considered Muslims though.

Disagreements ensue. But the things they believe and do that Sunnis consider heterodox are simply not enough to make them non Muslims.

even those among the Batiniyya Shi'a who revere a triune aspect of Allah's noor (Not Allah SWT himself) although heterodox as well (even though several Classical Sunni scholars have referred to Muhmmad (SAW) and his immediate family as made from Allah's Noor and the Prophets being closer to angels than Humankind in stature ) Just don't fit the bill for being non Muslims.

They Worship Allah SWT, make Salat and observe all common restrictions and observances within the Sunni, revere Muhammad SAW as the last Prophet, follow the Sharia, and every other base requirement.

I never made takfir on sects; they are Muslims, but they are transgressing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://legacy.quran.com/6/65
http://legacy.quran.com/6/159
http://legacy.quran.com/23/52
http://legacy.quran.com/23/53

You're making it fitnah by treating it as another religion. It's all Islam. Ibadi, Hanafi, Shia, I don't care how you bow to Allah (swt) as long you bow to him.

Allah (SWT) does however. So does Prophet Muhammad.

[Jochizyd Republic]

If it isn't clear enough already, He follows his own Reformist Nondenominational Modernist type of Islam that mixes Borderline Qur'anism, Pan Africanism, and an extremely liberal use of itjihad.

Friggin false.

How?

[Hindia Belanda]

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

Well which is the right one then? Ibadism predates Sunni and Shia. We are the earliest.

If I may ask, is the notion that Ibadism stemmed from the Kharijites accepted by Ibadi themselves? And what do you, as an Ibadi, think of Imam Ali (ra)?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well which is the right one then? Ibadism predates Sunni and Shia. We are the earliest.

If I may ask, is the notion that Ibadism stemmed from the Kharijites accepted by Ibadi themselves?

No.

[Hindia Belanda]

If I may ask, is the notion that Ibadism stemmed from the Kharijites accepted by Ibadi themselves?

No.

Care to elaborate?

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

You're making it fitnah by treating it as another religion. It's all Islam. Ibadi, Hanafi, Shia, I don't care how you bow to Allah (swt) as long you bow to him.

Allah (SWT) does however. So does Prophet Muhammad.

And you're the one to decide what is correct and not?



Allah (swt) will decide who is right. Until that time, I assume all Islamic denominations are equally correct.

[Nusaresa]

So, because I mostly go to Turkish mosques and because most of my Muslim friends are Turkish and because my 'Islamic mentor' is Turk too, I decided to go the Hanafi Fiqh way.

Good thing I never really liked lobsters anyway

You still got Eel, Squid and the good stuff anyway.

>eel
>good stuff

Pick one.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Allah (SWT) does however. So does Prophet Muhammad.

And you're the one to decide what is correct and not?



Allah (swt) will decide who is right. Until that time, I assume all Islamic denominations are equally correct.

I already showed the evidence of the bid'ah of sects. So I'm not the one deciding, Allah (SWT) is.
And how, when some sects have views incompatible with what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet Muhammad said?

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

And you're the one to decide what is correct and not?



Allah (swt) will decide who is right. Until that time, I assume all Islamic denominations are equally correct.

I already showed the evidence of the bid'ah of sects. So I'm not the one deciding, Allah (SWT) is.
And how, when some sects have views incompatible with what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet Muhammad said?

Because they don't.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I already showed the evidence of the bid'ah of sects. So I'm not the one deciding, Allah (SWT) is.
And how, when some sects have views incompatible with what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet Muhammad said?

Because they don't.

But don't Sufis believe they can be 1 one with Allah (SWT) and can speak to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS)? And do they ascribe twirling as Islamic or just cultural?
And do Shia' venerate 'Ali (RA) to the point of godliness? <--- This is an actual question, I'm not flaming. Same for the 1st one.

[Free Rhenish States]

I already showed the evidence of the bid'ah of sects. So I'm not the one deciding, Allah (SWT) is.
And how, when some sects have views incompatible with what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet Muhammad said?

Because they don't.

You're Sunni now?
Bro

[Nusaresa]

Because they don't.

You're Sunni now?
Bro

the type that cannot seafood too

[Sarcasteak]

You guys are plain crazy if you say seafoods are haram, lobsters are haram. Seriously.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You guys are plain crazy if you say seafoods are haram, lobsters are haram. Seriously.

Maybe they have a point.

To those who believe that seafood/lobsters are haram: is there proof for this?

[Jochizyd Republic]

You guys are plain crazy if you say seafoods are haram, lobsters are haram. Seriously.

Haha.

It's a contenious Issue. Not everyone in the Ulema thinks it