The Cold War [AH] [OPEN] [OOC]

[Apostolic Hungary]

Czechs are most decidedly Communist.

Yeah? Yes, we are communist because we give ownership of the means to the people, and because we are a democracy with many parties. We are not Real Socialist. We are a democratic Jugoslavija. Jugoslavija went along with both the Soviet and the Western Bloc. So will I.

I didn't say you weren't democratic, just that you were Communist. The Danube Federation is "democratic" and Monarchist. Democracy wasn't really the question I was answering.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Yeah? Yes, we are communist because we give ownership of the means to the people, and because we are a democracy with many parties. We are not Real Socialist. We are a democratic Jugoslavija. Jugoslavija went along with both the Soviet and the Western Bloc. So will I.

I didn't say you weren't democratic, just that you were Communist. The Danube Federation is "democratic" and Monarchist. Democracy wasn't really the question I was answering.

Communist is very vague, and people do not understand it. Could you tell me where do you come from.

[Tracian Empire]

I didn't say you weren't democratic, just that you were Communist. The Danube Federation is "democratic" and Monarchist. Democracy wasn't really the question I was answering.

Communist is very vague, and people do not understand it. Could you tell me where do you come from.

In the context of Eastern European nations, communist is usually strictly used to refer to the one party totalitarian states which claimed to be communist.

At the most, you could be a more liberal socialist country like the RPR is here.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Communist is very vague, and people do not understand it. Could you tell me where do you come from.

In the context of Eastern European nations, communist is usually strictly used to refer to the one party totalitarian states which claimed to be communist.

At the most, you could be a more liberal socialist country like the RPR is here.

You see? It was not communist. Two are the bases of communism:
1. Ownership of the means of production to the workers
2. Democracy.
These are the very bases. And much still lacks. If you have both, you are 90% communist. If you have one, and have leftist policies (obviously), then you are 40% Communist. If you have none, you are no communist.
In terms of Economics, the Warsaw Pact was State Capitalist. So it cannot be described as communist. The country which went the closest to Communism was Jugoslavija. All other eastern-europe countries were not communist by any mean.

[Tracian Empire]

In the context of Eastern European nations, communist is usually strictly used to refer to the one party totalitarian states which claimed to be communist.

At the most, you could be a more liberal socialist country like the RPR is here.

You see? It was not communist. Two are the bases of communism:
1. Ownership of the means of production to the workers
2. Democracy.
These are the very bases. And much still lacks. If you have both, you are 90% communist. If you have one, and have leftist policies (obviously), then you are 40% Communist. If you have none, you are no communist.
In terms of Economics, the Warsaw Pact was State Capitalist. So it cannot be described as communist. The country which went the closest to Communism was Jugoslavija. All other eastern-europe countries were not communist by any mean.

All the Eastern European countries were socialist, but as long as you have socialist parties, you do not qualify to be a democracy, because you would be oppressing the non-socialist parties.

[Greater Slavic Union]

You see? It was not communist. Two are the bases of communism:
1. Ownership of the means of production to the workers
2. Democracy.
These are the very bases. And much still lacks. If you have both, you are 90% communist. If you have one, and have leftist policies (obviously), then you are 40% Communist. If you have none, you are no communist.
In terms of Economics, the Warsaw Pact was State Capitalist. So it cannot be described as communist. The country which went the closest to Communism was Jugoslavija. All other eastern-europe countries were not communist by any mean.

All the Eastern European countries were socialist, but as long as you have socialist parties, you do not qualify to be a democracy, because you would be oppressing the non-socialist parties.

Real Socialism. For most of the last years, Nordic countries had leftist and Socialist parties in power. Would you say they are not democracies?
Almost every ideology, is based on democracy.

[The Commonwealth of South Pacifica]

-snip-

So the Kremlin gives a country that isn't following the Bloc's political status quo a slice of territory historically owned by one of it's other loyal satellites which the first country has no valid claims on?

[Argentarino]

Hey Iran, will you be posting soon?

[Western Pacific Territories]

German money.

Only if you pay an annual tribute of 50,000 Marks per each extra-urban square-mile, 75,000 for any normal urban square mile, 100,000 marks for each industrial square mile, and 200,000 per each military used suqare mile. If not, as the money would be given only once andwould thus be "short-lived", it would be useless.

Um, no. I have a different proposal. How about I let the US and UK build nuclear silos in East Germany, and force the Soviets to let me have Silesia.

Also we will be opposing any form of aggression against the Danube Federation, as we are allies. Romania is not getting Transylvania no matter how many Romanians ask for it.

[Greater Slavic Union]

-snip-

So the Kremlin gives a country that isn't following the Bloc's political status quo a slice of territory historically owned by one of it's other loyal satellites which the first country has no valid claims on?

It has changed after Stalin's death and with Krushchev.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Only if you pay an annual tribute of 50,000 Marks per each extra-urban square-mile, 75,000 for any normal urban square mile, 100,000 marks for each industrial square mile, and 200,000 per each military used suqare mile. If not, as the money would be given only once andwould thus be "short-lived", it would be useless.

Um, no. I have a different proposal. How about I let the US and UK build nuclear silos in East Germany, and force the Soviets to let me have Silesia.

Also we will be opposing any form of aggression against the Danube Federation, as we are allies. Romania is not getting Transylvania no matter how many Romanians ask for it.

So you will never have it.

Also, who said we would attack? We will probably only provocate the Danube.

[Costa Fierro]

Speaking of the Danube, I want to know why they have such advanced aircraft given the F-102 didn't enter service until 1956 because they had to make a major redesign after it first flew in 1953. And the jet-launching submarines seem a bit contrived.

Not only that, but the air force is basically just :fighters: and 20 transport aircraft and that's it.

[Tracian Empire]

All the Eastern European countries were socialist, but as long as you have socialist parties, you do not qualify to be a democracy, because you would be oppressing the non-socialist parties.

Real Socialism. For most of the last years, Nordic countries had leftist and Socialist parties in power. Would you say they are not democracies?
Almost every ideology, is based on democracy.

You belong to the Eastern bloc, that's the entire point.

[Tracian Empire]

Only if you pay an annual tribute of 50,000 Marks per each extra-urban square-mile, 75,000 for any normal urban square mile, 100,000 marks for each industrial square mile, and 200,000 per each military used suqare mile. If not, as the money would be given only once andwould thus be "short-lived", it would be useless.

Um, no. I have a different proposal. How about I let the US and UK build nuclear silos in East Germany, and force the Soviets to let me have Silesia.

Also we will be opposing any form of aggression against the Danube Federation, as we are allies. Romania is not getting Transylvania no matter how many Romanians ask for it.

We shall see about that.

[Tracian Empire]

Speaking of the Danube, I want to know why they have such advanced aircraft given the F-102 didn't enter service until 1956 because they had to make a major redesign after it first flew in 1953. And the jet-launching submarines seem a bit contrived.

Not only that, but the air force is basically just :fighters: and 20 transport aircraft and that's it.

I'd want to know how they have Transylvania anyway, since it breaks the point of divergence, but yeah, such is life

[Apostolic Hungary]

Speaking of the Danube, I want to know why they have such advanced aircraft given the F-102 didn't enter service until 1956 because they had to make a major redesign after it first flew in 1953. And the jet-launching submarines seem a bit contrived.

Not only that, but the air force is basically just :fighters: and 20 transport aircraft and that's it.

I'd want to know how they have Transylvania anyway, since it breaks the point of divergence, but yeah, such is life

Well, I talked it all over with the OP, and he said it'd be ok. We wanted to have fun with this one, and we had thought there'd be other stuff like this from everybody else. Turns out we were wrong I guess. Although I did research into it, and the submarine carrier isn't as contrived as it seems, but based on actual 1952 US Navy designs.

[Kaelmar Unionen]

Country: Commonwealth of the Philippines/Mancomunidad de Filipinas/Komonwelt ng Pilipinas (Associated state and protectorate of the Kingdom of Spain)
Head of State: President Manuel L. Quezon, Sr.
Head of Government: Vice President Sergio Osmeña
Foreign Minister: Arsenio Guillermo Izaga
Flag: Flag of the Philippines
Great Seal/Coat of Arms: Coat of Arms of the Philippines
Government Type: Unitary presidential constitutional republic
Ruling Political Party: Nacionalista Party
Territory/Borders: Location of the Philippines
Official Language: Spanish, English, Filipino
Notable Religions: Roman Catholicism
Notable Ethnic Groups: Visayans and Tagalog People
Population: 27,087,685
Allies: Spain, Portugal, South Africa
Rivals: USSR
Goals: To loyally serve its overlord, the Kingdom of Spain, no matter what...
Economic Strength: 6
Major Exports: Semiconductors and electronic products, transport equipment, garments, copper products, petroleum products, coconut oil, fruits
Major Imports: Electronic products, mineral fuels, machinery and transport equipment, iron and steel, textile fabrics, grains, chemicals, plastic
Stability: 6
National anthem: Lupang Hinirang/Patria Adorada/Chosen Land
History: The Commonwealth of the Philippines is the administrative body that governs the Philippines since 1896, aside from a period of exile in the Second World War from 1942 to 1945 when Japan occupied the country. It replaced the Captaincy General of the Philippines, a Spanish colonial government, and was established by the Autonomous Act of 1898. The Commonwealth is designed as a transitional administration in preparation for the country's eventual full achievement of independence. During its 5 decades of existence, the Commonwealth has a strong executive and a Supreme Court. Its legislature, dominated by the Nacionalista Party, was at first unicameral, but later bicameral. In 1900, the government selected Tagalog–the language of Manila and its surrounding provinces–as the basis of the national language, although it would be many years before its usage became general. Women's suffrage was adopted and the economy bloomed rapidly before the Japanese occupation in 1942. The Commonwealth government went into exile from 1942 to 1945, when the Philippines was under Japanese occupation. After 1945, it was once more reestablished and now supervises the restoration and regeneration of the Filipino State.

Freedom of Religion: 9
Freedom of Press: 8
Freedom of Speech: 9
Political Freedom: 8
Economic Freedom: 9

Army Size: 220,000 Active personnel, 430,000 Reserve personnel, 108 tanks
Navy Size: 4 frigates, 1 SSV, 11 corvettes, 11 amphibious landing ships, 80+ patrol vessels
Air Force Size 277 aircraft
Main Military Commanders: Francisco Franco, Vincente Lim, Alfredo M. Santos
Uniforms of Military: Uniforms of the Commonwealth Army
Weapons of Military: Light Weaponry
Tanks/Armor of Military: Armored Vehicles
Aircraft of Military: Aircraft

[Greater Slavic Union]

Real Socialism. For most of the last years, Nordic countries had leftist and Socialist parties in power. Would you say they are not democracies?
Almost every ideology, is based on democracy.

You belong to the Eastern bloc, that's the entire point.

Not really. I would actually like to be like Jugoslavija: militarily east-aligned, politically a west-leaning leftist, and economically a mix.

[Tracian Empire]

You belong to the Eastern bloc, that's the entire point.

Not really. I would actually like to be like Jugoslavija: militarily east-aligned, politically a west-leaning leftist, and economically a mix.

Well, I'd like to be like that too. But you most likely have Soviet troops in your country too.

[Greater Slavic Union]

Not really. I would actually like to be like Jugoslavija: militarily east-aligned, politically a west-leaning leftist, and economically a mix.

Well, I'd like to be like that too. But you most likely have Soviet troops in your country too.

There is a reason why they had to mobilize troops from Romania, Hungary, Poland, and the same USSR to enter in Prague in 1968...

[Tracian Empire]

Well, I'd like to be like that too. But you most likely have Soviet troops in your country too.

There is a reason why they had to mobilize troops from Romania, Hungary, Poland, and the same USSR to enter in Prague in 1968...

But this is an AH after all. I don't see Stalin backing down from Czechoslovakia after the Allies would have taken Berlin.

And excuse me, Romania was specifically one of the two countries in the Warsaw Pact which refused to invade Czechoslovakia, and the only country in the Warsaw Pact to criticize this invasion.

[Austria and Bavaria]

Now I remember why I hate OPing Alt-History RPs...

[Tracian Empire]

Now I remember why I hate OPing Alt-History RPs...

I know the feeling, even if I only OPed one.

[Altito Asmoro]

Now I remember why I hate OPing Alt-History RPs...

Conflicted history is one of the main reason. In fact, perhaps it is the only reason...

I know the feeling.

[Austria and Bavaria]

Now I remember why I hate OPing Alt-History RPs...

I know the feeling, even if I only OPed one.

This is only my second, but my first to actually make it to having an IC thread. Once this is over, I'm swearing off OPing an Alt-History RP (at least for a very, very long time).