Are atheists the most easily indoctrinated people? Why?

[Socialist Nordia]

No, not at all. Im an atheist, and no one every really had to "indoctrinate" me. I grew up in a family that was really relaxed about religion, and I gradually formed my own opinions over time. When people grow up in a family that makes them go to church, and teaches them that they must always worship God or suffer eternal damnation, that's indoctrination.

Irreligiosity is the norm in Scandinavia. You were raised in it, and you identify as such. Ambiant values explain your positioning.

Actually, I'm an American.

[Trumpostan]

It is the opposite, religions are more easily indoctrinated. They have been brainwashed to believe a magical sky-daddy exists and created the universe and they constantly deny things backed up by metric fucktons of evidence. Atheists are more logical, not more sheepish.

Yet the majority of atheists subscribe to non-quantifiable principles such as 'human rights', but to name one the less cringy one. A really bizarre inconsistency that on the one hands try to haughtily say atheists are beyond axiology and only operate on quantifiable information, yet on the other hand has them defend immaterial principles. Religiously so since being accused of violating human rights is a very shocking accusation to the majority of, in your own words, 'sheepish' people.

Donatien de Sade was an atheist that was fully consistent in his outlook. No objective value in anything other than his subjective preference and enjoyment. His type seems to be quite rare however.

"Human rights" may be hard to "quantify", at least it is not an imaginary sky-daddy.

[The New Sea Territory]

Yet the majority of atheists subscribe to non-quantifiable principles such as 'human rights', but to name one the less cringy one. A really bizarre inconsistency that on the one hands try to haughtily say atheists are beyond axiology and only operate on quantifiable information, yet on the other hand has them defend immaterial principles. Religiously so since being accused of violating human rights is a very shocking accusation to the majority of, in your own words, 'sheepish' people.

Donatien de Sade was an atheist that was fully consistent in his outlook. No objective value in anything other than his subjective preference and enjoyment. His type seems to be quite rare however.

"Human rights" may be hard to "quantify", at least it is not an imaginary sky-daddy.

Your rights are equally as imaginary as anyone's "sky-daddy".

Just because large institutions operate as if either exist doesn't mean either exist.

[Eol Sha]

Irreligiosity is the norm in Scandinavia. You were raised in it, and you identify as such. Ambiant values explain your positioning.

Scandinavia would probably be mostly religious today if the Nazis ended up conquering the region during World War II. They had plans to conquer Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

They conquered both Norway and Denmark.

[Neanderthaland]

"Human rights" may be hard to "quantify", at least it is not an imaginary sky-daddy.

Your rights are equally as imaginary as anyone's "sky-daddy".

Just because large institutions operate as if either exist doesn't mean either exist.

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

[Eol Sha]

They conquered both Norway and Denmark.

They didn't keep those territories after the war though.

Well, yeah. They lost.

[New Grestin]

Atheists are no more likely than the religious to be indoctrinated.

You can look at any Militant Atheist, or at any of the organized religious cults, and see that they're both practically identical.

Capacity for indoctrination is an individual and societal factor, not something exclusive to Atheism or Theism respectively.

[The New Sea Territory]

Your rights are equally as imaginary as anyone's "sky-daddy".

Just because large institutions operate as if either exist doesn't mean either exist.

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

Both are solely on faith and assumed moral values.

They're entirely equivalents, and the former grew out the absence of the latter.

[Bojikami]

I don't see how one could indoctrinate someone into believing in nothing.

[Neanderthaland]

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

Both are solely on faith and assumed moral values.

They're entirely equivalents, and the former grew out the absence of the latter.

Except they're not. As I just explained.

[Hurdergaryp]

They didn't keep those territories after the war though.

Well, yeah. They lost.

Which is something we all should be grateful for.

[Anadarsia]

Well, yeah. They lost.

Which is something we all should be grateful for.

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.
And I say that being a person who is not white, and part of a religion persecuted by the III Reich.

[Wallenburg]

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.

[Anadarsia]

Your rights are equally as imaginary as anyone's "sky-daddy".

Just because large institutions operate as if either exist doesn't mean either exist.

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

Quintessential strawman.
Most religious doctrine isnt the cartoon you just presented. In fact it argues often using the very same argumeny you did to legitimize the human rights cult: It makes society less violent and more soliday.

[Neanderthaland]

Which is something we all should be grateful for.

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.
And I say that being a person who is not white, and part of a religion persecuted by the III Reich.

Since your argument depends entirely on your understanding of the world being accurate, this quite neatly refutes it.

[Anadarsia]

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.

I am glad you can laugh about it.

[Mattopilos]

Which is something we all should be grateful for.

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.
And I say that being a person who is not white, and part of a religion persecuted by the III Reich.

Any reason you would even suggest this? How is what the Allies have done ultimately worse than what the Axis would have done?

[Anadarsia]

I don't see how one could indoctrinate someone into believing in nothing.

Repeat after me, there is nothing out there/in there.

[Uiiop]

I don't see how one could indoctrinate someone into believing in nothing.

Repeat after me, there is nothing out there/in there.

Nah but apparently i don't count as atheists because you said so. I mean i don't call myself one but people who do agree with me on this so...

[Genivaria]

Which is something we all should be grateful for.

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.
And I say that being a person who is not white, and part of a religion persecuted by the III Reich.

Now I don't believe your real.
You're Jewish?

[Genivaria]

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

Quintessential strawman.
Most religious doctrine isnt the cartoon you just presented. In fact it argues often using the very same argumeny you did to legitimize the human rights cult: It makes society less violent and more soliday.

Funny that you accuse someone of strawmanning when your entire OP is based on strawmen.

[Neanderthaland]

There's an important distinction between, "we acknowledge that these rights are ultimately a bit arbitrary, but they seem to be the best and fairest way to organize human societies, and minimize conflicts," and "do what the Lord commands, or he will send a pestilence upon you and punish you after you die!"

We shouldn't treat those as equivalent.

Quintessential strawman.
Most religious doctrine isnt the cartoon you just presented. In fact it argues often using the very same argumeny you did to legitimize the human rights cult: It makes society less violent and more soliday.

You're suggesting that the majority of people who adhere to religion don't actually believe it is true? They only uphold religion because of it's social consequences?

[The Alma Mater]

Quintessential strawman.
Most religious doctrine isnt the cartoon you just presented. In fact it argues often using the very same argumeny you did to legitimize the human rights cult: It makes society less violent and more soliday.

You're suggesting that the majority of people who adhere to religion don't actually believe it is true? They only uphold religion because of it's social consequences?

Certainly true of the priesthood.

[Neanderthaland]

You're suggesting that the majority of people who adhere to religion don't actually believe it is true? They only uphold religion because of it's social consequences?

Certainly true of the priesthood.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm more than willing to believe it. It's just strange to hear it coming from a religious person.

[Anadarsia]

The Allies made the world worse than what the Axis would have.
And I say that being a person who is not white, and part of a religion persecuted by the III Reich.

Now I don't believe your real.
You're Jewish?

Several religions were persecuted during that time.
Don't believe I'm real if you want. You're already a materialist, further denial of things you don' understand would be normal.