US General Election Thread IV: The Beginning of the End

[Eol Sha]

But he said 9/11 never happened so it must be true.

wtf you serious

Giuliani said "Under those 8 years before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States. They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."

[Galloism]

But he said 9/11 never happened so it must be true.

... Trump has been [Giuliani's] ticket to a renewed and terrifying omnipresence. His expression — part sneer, part glare, all menace — turns small forest creatures to stone. At the sound of his voice, roses drop their petals.

He was railing last week about Bill Clinton’s sexual history, a kooky case for him, in particular, to prosecute. Back when he was the mayor of New York, he was no choirboy, and his wife then — No. 2 of three — learned in a famously cruel fashion that he’d be leaving her. He announced it at a news conference.

Jesus. That's so cruel I'm taken aback. Me!

[Farnhamia]

Jesus. That's so cruel I'm taken aback. Me!

I'm not sure if that's the worst or Gingrich coming to his wife's hospital room to talk about the terms of their divorce while she was undergoing cancer treatment. It's a toss-up. And anyway, you were never cruel. You're more like the leprechaun Og in Finian's Rainbow, who sings "When I'm not near the girl I love, I love the girl I'm near."

[AiliailiA]

wtf you serious

Giuliani said "Under those 8 years before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States. They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."

Context though. He'd been talking (at length, as usual) about the 9/11 attacks, then about Mike Pence who "helped fashion" the Patriot Act ... and then the sentence you quoted.

Out of context it is wrong: 8 years "before Obama" clearly involves Sept 2001, but in context it was just a gaffe. He meant that the Patriot Act stopped any terrorist attacks in the remainder of Bush's term.

Here's the thing though. Even that is wrong.

[Eol Sha]

Giuliani said "Under those 8 years before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States. They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."

Context though. He'd been talking (at length, as usual) about the 9/11 attacks, then about Mike Pence who "helped fashion" the Patriot Act ... and then the sentence you quoted.

Out of context it is wrong: 8 years "before Obama" clearly involves Sept 2001, but in context it was just a gaffe. He meant that the Patriot Act stopped any terrorist attacks in the remainder of Bush's term.

Here's the thing though. Even that is wrong.

Context gets in the way of good soundbites, though.

Indeed.

[Farnhamia]

Giuliani said "Under those 8 years before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States. They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."

Context though. He'd been talking (at length, as usual) about the 9/11 attacks, then about Mike Pence who "helped fashion" the Patriot Act ... and then the sentence you quoted.

Out of context it is wrong: 8 years "before Obama" clearly involves Sept 2001, but in context it was just a gaffe. He meant that the Patriot Act stopped any terrorist attacks in the remainder of Bush's term.

Here's the thing though. Even that is wrong.

Domestic terrorism doesn't count. Everyone knows that. I heard some third-graders talking about it just the ither day.

[The Black Forrest]

Context though. He'd been talking (at length, as usual) about the 9/11 attacks, then about Mike Pence who "helped fashion" the Patriot Act ... and then the sentence you quoted.

Out of context it is wrong: 8 years "before Obama" clearly involves Sept 2001, but in context it was just a gaffe. He meant that the Patriot Act stopped any terrorist attacks in the remainder of Bush's term.

Here's the thing though. Even that is wrong.

Domestic terrorism doesn't count. Everyone knows that. I heard some third-graders talking about it just the ither day.

What did I tell you about hanging around congress!

[Jerzylvania]

Domestic terrorism doesn't count. Everyone knows that. I heard some third-graders talking about it just the ither day.

What did I tell you about hanging around congress!

They'd give me free cigarettes to smoke til I was addicted, and then send me on border patrol missions to stop terrorists and drugs from crossing our border?

[Outer Sparta]

wtf you serious

Giuliani said "Under those 8 years before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States. They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."

But we got the goddamn Patriot Act, NDAA, and Guantanamo Bay, not to mention the atrocious TSA screenings.

[MERIZoC]

Good read

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/clinton-kaine-progressive-era-roosevelt-open-shop/

In July of this year, the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) and the Chamber of Commerce, two organizations with long, proud histories of challenging organized labor, expressed genuine excitement at Hillary Clinton’s decision to tap Tim Kaine, the US senator and former governor of Virginia, as her running mate.

In a press release published immediately after the selection, Jay Timmons, the CEO and president of NAM, stated, “I have worked with Sen. Kaine in a number of capacities over the years and am pleased to count him as a friend. From his time as mayor of Richmond, to lieutenant governor and governor of Virginia, to his current service in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Kaine has proven to be a principled leader.” While acknowledging that he doesn’t agree with Kaine “on every issue,” the NAM head nevertheless lauded what he called Kaine’s “integrity.”

For its part, the Chamber of Commerce commended Kaine for understanding “how important global markets are for creating opportunities for U.S. companies and workers.” Both organizations applauded Kaine for his previous statements in support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which critics have called “NAFTA on steroids.”

It also couldn’t hurt that Kaine hails from a “right to work” state, one of twenty-six where unions are prevented from collecting “fair share” fees for representing non-union employees and where workers generally enjoy a lower standard of living.

Business organizations have long pushed right-to-work laws, and the spokespersons for these organizations, including the National Right To Work Committee — an Astroturf group headquartered in Kaine’s home state of Virginia — present themselves as defenders of “worker rights” and opponents of “union bosses.” NRTWC describes itself as an honorable fighter for the rights of the underdogs, independently minded job-hunters, and workers forced to confront intrusive and often violent “labor union monopolies.”

And it has nothing to worry about locally: Kaine has a well-documented history of supporting his state’s union-crushing law.

[New West Guiana]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

[Corrian]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

Of course doing illegal things is only bad when it involves him, not when he tells them to hack Hillary.

[Camicon]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

While I think that would be reason enough for Trump to not want to release his tax returns, I'm willing to bet there's something else in there.

[New West Guiana]

Of course doing illegal things is only bad when it involves him, not when he tells them to hack Hillary.

Problem is though they had to be made public because of a court case in which he was required to release them, so they are public records.(that I think)

[The Romulan Republic]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

Of course doing illegal things is only bad when it involves him, not when he tells them to hack Hillary.

The big baby is just throwing a tantrum because its been once again shown what a loser he is.

[Liriena]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

...unholy hell.

That's some good journalism right there. Good on you, New York Times. Have a well-earned drink while Trump throws his hissy fit.

[Guy]

Good read

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/clinton-kaine-progressive-era-roosevelt-open-shop/

In July of this year, the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) and the Chamber of Commerce, two organizations with long, proud histories of challenging organized labor, expressed genuine excitement at Hillary Clinton’s decision to tap Tim Kaine, the US senator and former governor of Virginia, as her running mate.

In a press release published immediately after the selection, Jay Timmons, the CEO and president of NAM, stated, “I have worked with Sen. Kaine in a number of capacities over the years and am pleased to count him as a friend. From his time as mayor of Richmond, to lieutenant governor and governor of Virginia, to his current service in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Kaine has proven to be a principled leader.” While acknowledging that he doesn’t agree with Kaine “on every issue,” the NAM head nevertheless lauded what he called Kaine’s “integrity.”

For its part, the Chamber of Commerce commended Kaine for understanding “how important global markets are for creating opportunities for U.S. companies and workers.” Both organizations applauded Kaine for his previous statements in support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which critics have called “NAFTA on steroids.”

It also couldn’t hurt that Kaine hails from a “right to work” state, one of twenty-six where unions are prevented from collecting “fair share” fees for representing non-union employees and where workers generally enjoy a lower standard of living.

Business organizations have long pushed right-to-work laws, and the spokespersons for these organizations, including the National Right To Work Committee — an Astroturf group headquartered in Kaine’s home state of Virginia — present themselves as defenders of “worker rights” and opponents of “union bosses.” NRTWC describes itself as an honorable fighter for the rights of the underdogs, independently minded job-hunters, and workers forced to confront intrusive and often violent “labor union monopolies.”

And it has nothing to worry about locally: Kaine has a well-documented history of supporting his state’s union-crushing law.

[Thermodolia]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

Unfortunately it's not going to matter as there are those who think that Trump not paying any taxes is a good thing

[Guy]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

Unfortunately it's not going to matter as there are those who think that Trump not paying any taxes is a good thing

It'll make more people not vote for Trump rather than vote for him.

[Hittanryan]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

A billion dollars in losses. What a great businessman.

[The Romulan Republic]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

Unfortunately it's not going to matter as there are those who think that Trump not paying any taxes is a good thing

A lot of people may resent having to pay taxes, but most of them will probably resent all the more someone richer than them who gets away with not paying taxes while they have to.

[Thermodolia]

Well that didn't take long: Clinton campaign seizes on new report about Trump's taxes
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/01/politics/ ... index.html

[Zurkerx]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

That is a big number for net operating losses. Considering he can carry that back three years and the rest forward, it would explain why he didn't pay his contractors/employees and why he made the reference "That makes me smart" when accused of not paying taxes.

[Farnhamia]

New York Times obtain copies of Trumps 1995 Tax Returns from source in Trump Tower

In response Trump is threatening to sue the NYT for publishing this story from tax returns "obtained illegally".

In 1995 Trump reported $916 million in loses, which could have allowed him from avoid paying taxes in 18 years.

That is a big number for net operating losses. Considering he can carry that back three years and the rest forward, it would explain why he didn't pay his contractors/employees and why he made the reference "That makes me smart" when accused of not paying taxes.

Smart, right. It worked out great for him.

The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

[Zurkerx]

That is a big number for net operating losses. Considering he can carry that back three years and the rest forward, it would explain why he didn't pay his contractors/employees and why he made the reference "That makes me smart" when accused of not paying taxes.

Smart, right. It worked out great for him.

The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

To be fair, he was allowed to do it. However, it just shows that his management and business model were not ideal. As someone that is studying accounting, it should set off red flags right away. Will it make a difference though? Not with his hardcore base but for those on the fence, it may turn them away. Then again, she ain't in a good position either.