Right Wing Discussion Thread The Fourth

[Neanderthaland]

There's no reason nihilism should cause depression. You've applying an internalized belief that happiness comes through achieving some divine or cosmic directive, rather than self-fulfillment.

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any such directive.

You've still internalized it. That's not unusual.

Religions, and some ideologies, want you to believe that they are the only ultimate path to fulfillment. Even after having abandoned religion, many people are still convinced that unless we have something like an overriding objective purpose, we can't be happy.

I find the opposite to be true. An overriding objective purpose would be a tyranny of the soul.

[Minzerland II]

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any such directive.

You've still internalized it. That's not unusual.

Religions, and some ideologies, want you to believe that they are the only ultimate path to fulfillment. Even after having abandoned religion, many people are still convinced that unless we have something like an overriding objective purpose, we can't be happy.

I find the opposite to be true. An overriding objective purpose would be a tyranny of the soul.

I haven't internalised anything of the sort; I believe the world isn't meaningless because we give it meaning, there isn't objective purposes besides our animal instincts.

[Neanderthaland]

You've still internalized it. That's not unusual.

Religions, and some ideologies, want you to believe that they are the only ultimate path to fulfillment. Even after having abandoned religion, many people are still convinced that unless we have something like an overriding objective purpose, we can't be happy.

I find the opposite to be true. An overriding objective purpose would be a tyranny of the soul.

I haven't internalised anything of the sort; I believe the world isn't meaningless because we give it meaning.

That's consistent with nihilism.

[Arachno-Satinism]

Ladies and gentlemen of RWDT, what is your opinion about the Salafi movement and the pioneers of modern Islamism? Have you read the works of Sayyid Qutb, Hassan al-Bana, Taqi al-Din an-Nabhani, etc, or perhaps less controversial modernists and reformists such as Ali Shariati, Muhammad Abduh, etc etc?

Religious members of RWDT, of the non-believers, do you prefer those who believe in some form of secular morality (such as Deontology or Utilitarianism), or those who believe in no morality at all?

VIRTUE ETHICS

All cool people are virtue ethicists

Nihilists can be o.k depending on the person in question and his personal preferences, I suppose.

[Benuty]

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

People just can't stop triggering my inner Descartes or Pascal today, it seems.

Feel the triggering let it flow through you, and overcome you.

[Benuty]

Religious members of RWDT, of the non-believers, do you prefer those who believe in some form of secular morality (such as Deontology or Utilitarianism), or those who believe in no morality at all?

I believe that there is no Morality out of Religion. I do think that having non-believers still keep some secular ethics is a good thing as it may avoid us to have to fulfill the Prophecy and create The Purge by the end of this year.

Are you saying religion doesn't impact morality in any way?

[Minzerland II]

I haven't internalised anything of the sort; I believe the world isn't meaningless because we give it meaning.

That's consistent with nihilism.

To an extent it is.

[Benuty]

Where did you dig?

My grave, I hope.

Please kill me.

No my spouse wants you to live. Though your mind may shatter in the warp.

[Ashkera]

The greatest realization one can have about the Trolley Problem is that, with high probability, you aren't the guy with the lever - you're one of the guys on the tracks that the trolley is approaching.

The trolley problem rather depends on you being the guy pulling the lever. Though I think I see what you mean - you're basically making the veil of ignorance argument, right?

Well, the thing is we're all ignorant, and the world is full of prisoners' dilemmas and trolley problems. You might say it's in the same vein, I guess. I believe people have value regardless, but even if I hypothetically were a Nihilistic Egoist, I might want others to be Utilitarians anyway. (And of course, I would be permitted to lie to encourage it.)

Other people exist independently of me - either within the Universe or within the mind of God (or the next-best thing). There is no valid system under which I have any value at all in which they do not also have value.

What do you mean by "value"?

We effectively all value (desire/seek/want/etc) subjective positive experience (which constitutes more than just the emotion we call "happiness"). I have felt it. Insomuch as other humans are not p-zombies, I expect that you have felt it. We know it's good, that it's something we want, and that effectively every mind capable of experience must benefit from. Even the kind of satisfaction you get from some other goal which involves local pain can fall into the bundle of subjective positive experience.

It's good for me, and I know from direct personal experience that it is, and this description is structured in such a way as to be more general, so I would need a special reason why it isn't good for others.

...to address what I think you're really getting at with that question.

[Mattopilos]

That's consistent with nihilism.

To an extent it is.

Well, nihilism can take many forms. When most people think nihilism, they actually mean "existential nihilism". I would likely count as one.

[Benuty]

I agree. I don't think it's very healthy for people.

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

I disagree life isn't all theilre is. I know from having experienced the warp something of you lives on in that realm of mental illness, and laws of physics violations.

[Dagashi Shojo]

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

People just can't stop triggering my inner Descartes or Pascal today, it seems.

> Descartes and Pascal
> not Hegel and Gentile

What is this garbage?

[Germanic Templars]

I agree. I don't think it's very healthy for people.

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

Surely you must know because you have first hand experience, right?

[Benuty]

People just can't stop triggering my inner Descartes or Pascal today, it seems.

> Descartes and Pascal
> not Hegel and Gentile

What is this garbage?

Hegel is overrated, and my experience with the Legion in the Mojave led me to that conclusion.

[Dushan]

Ladies and gentlemen of RWDT, what is your opinion about the Salafi movement and the pioneers of modern Islamism? Have you read the works of Sayyid Qutb, Hassan al-Bana, Taqi al-Din an-Nabhani, etc, or perhaps less controversial modernists and reformists such as Ali Shariati, Muhammad Abduh, etc etc?

Oh may the thunderous posting powers from Joch strike down upon those hereitics with great vengeance and furious anger, shattering their loathsome impurity and returning them from whence they came!

VIRTUE ETHICS

All cool people are virtue ethicists

Nihilists can be o.k depending on the person in question and his personal preferences, I suppose.

Such as Prussian Virtues?

[Benuty]

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

Surely you must know because you have first hand experience, right?

The original Bailey died some time ago, and the soul of Harley Quinn was transplanted into them.

No matter how many DEATs they always come back.

[Isyrannaea]

Religious members of RWDT, of the non-believers, do you prefer those who believe in some form of secular morality (such as Deontology or Utilitarianism), or those who believe in no morality at all?

I prefer someone with some morality over someone with no morals.

[-Harley-Quinn-]

Its perfectly fucking healthy. Its actually logical, if ya think about it. When we die thats it. Nothing. Life is a passing fad. Passing fads don't matter.

Then why bother going on?

Cause why not?

[Minzerland II]

To an extent it is.

Well, nihilism can take many forms. When most people think nihilism, they actually mean "existential nihilism". I would likely count as one.

I wouldn't say the world doesn't have any intrinsic value.

[Benuty]

Then why bother going on?

Cause why not?

I mean death to you is rather trivial being one of the living memes.

[United Marxist Nations]

Then why bother going on?

Cause why not?

Because the odds of happiness are much lower than those of ending up lonely, afraid, and in the depths of mental illness.

[Dagashi Shojo]

> Descartes and Pascal
> not Hegel and Gentile

What is this garbage?

Hegel is overrated, and my experience with the Legion in the Mojave led me to that conclusion.

Anyone who ascribes thesis-antithesis-synthesis to Hegel isn't knowledgeable enough on the topic to be a source.

[Isyrannaea]

Ladies and gentlemen of RWDT, what is your opinion about the Salafi movement and the pioneers of modern Islamism? Have you read the works of Sayyid Qutb, Hassan al-Bana, Taqi al-Din an-Nabhani, etc, or perhaps less controversial modernists and reformists such as Ali Shariati, Muhammad Abduh, etc etc?

Religious members of RWDT, of the non-believers, do you prefer those who believe in some form of secular morality (such as Deontology or Utilitarianism), or those who believe in no morality at all?

VIRTUE ETHICS

All cool people are virtue ethicists

Nihilists can be o.k depending on the person in question and his personal preferences, I suppose.

SALAFIS ARE FUCKING GAY AND NEED TO FUCKING DIE BECAUSE THEY ARE REFORMISTS REEEEEE

[Mattopilos]

Well, nihilism can take many forms. When most people think nihilism, they actually mean "existential nihilism". I would likely count as one.

I wouldn't say the world doesn't have any intrinsic value.

So maybe you are more a pessimist of some sort?

[Benuty]

Hegel is overrated, and my experience with the Legion in the Mojave led me to that conclusion.

Anyone who ascribes thesis-antithesis-synthesis to Hegel isn't knowledgeable enough on the topic to be a source.

You seem to forget that books are a rare commodity even amongst former members of the children of the apocalypse turned pessimistic hypocritical dictators.