UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Chestaan]

lolling irl

this thread is quality

I'm reading my posts in a Maggie accent .

Unless they also put their mind to it, presumably.

Don't know if it says something about me, but I really don't find it at all hard to set myself apart from other people. Perhaps special snowflakes are real.

I thought you're still in school?

[Souseiseki]

oh so your entire response to this is based on an apparent misunderstanding of how unemployment works and how it's not necessarily easy or even possible for someone to get a house and a job in another region

hmm

If Latin Americans can get to the United States, I'm sure people in the UK can get to Manchester or Liverpool or London or Birmingham.

they're either skilled in which case your example of high school drop outs is irrelevant and they're more likely to be affected by shrinkages in skilled positions like we are seeing or they're illegal immigrants in which case they are not that comparable either.

[Vassenor]

The poor should be humanely destroyed.

Well that sounds disturbingly familiar.

[HMS Vanguard]

I said humanely.

Still sociopathic in the extreme.

You are just mad that you would be humanely destroyed.

If you could see the proposal more objectively, you'd agree it's a good idea.

[Wolfmanne2]

Job vacancies have fallen because of Brexit uncertainty, if you're using that excuse for why you're not employed and you're saying 'oh I would have been employed', then you're basically admitting that as a labourer employing you is scraping the barrel. Make yourself more competitive. I've found that it isn't really that hard to set yourself apart from anyone else if you put your mind to it.

yeah man losing 800,000 vacancies, many in finance and tech sectors, is a pretty good fucking reason actually. not ignoring that you yourself are using school dropouts as examples, who i am inclined to think aren't exactly high skill employees.

if everyone sets themselves apart from everyone else then... everybody is on the same level again?

But everyone doesn't do that. Some people manage to successfully do that, others who try do that end up being average and many don't bother. At the very least you could get to the second category.

[Wolfmanne2]

I'm reading my posts in a Maggie accent .


Don't know if it says something about me, but I really don't find it at all hard to set myself apart from other people. Perhaps special snowflakes are real.

I thought you're still in school?

And I got myself straight As this year, so not exactly being unproductive.

[Souseiseki]

lolling irl

this thread is quality

we have a man that thinks "there's not enough jobs" isn't an obstacle to getting a job and i'm not even sure if you're loling at him or me

[Chestaan]

I thought you're still in school?

And I got myself straights As this year, so not exactly being unproductive.

And that's all well and good, but it's not exactly relevant to the job market, is it? Setting yourself apart in school is very different to setting yourself apart in the job market.

[Souseiseki]

I thought you're still in school?

And I got myself straights As this year, so not exactly being unproductive.

i think the point might be that you have pretty much zero experience with the job market or independently moving to a new city with no support network so we're beginning to seriously question how much you actually know about looking for a job

[Questers]

lolling irl

this thread is quality

we have a man that thinks "there's not enough jobs" isn't an obstacle to getting a job and i'm not even sure if you're loling at him or me

i'm loling at about three separate things, but don't worry i'm not laughing at you

[Wolfmanne2]

And I got myself straights As this year, so not exactly being unproductive.

i think the point might be that you have pretty much zero experience with the job market or independently moving to a new city with no support network so we're beginning to seriously question how much you actually know about looking for a job

I've had work, job offers and work experience, so yes I do know what I'm talking about.

[Wolfmanne2]

And I got myself straights As this year, so not exactly being unproductive.

And that's all well and good, but it's not exactly relevant to the job market, is it? Setting yourself apart in school is very different to setting yourself apart in the job market.

I'm making my own future, thank you very much, so that I do not have be reliant on benefits and blame the world for when work doesn't come to me.

[Olivaero]

Still sociopathic in the extreme.

You are just mad that you would be humanely destroyed.

If you could see the proposal more objectively, you'd agree it's a good idea.

Yep you can see through the internet into my bank account, you got it. As a programmer and a partner in my own company I guess it only makes sense I'm poor. I'm also not mad, I'm disturbed that I've been talking to some one who fantasises about murdering an entire class of people.

[Souseiseki]

yeah man losing 800,000 vacancies, many in finance and tech sectors, is a pretty good fucking reason actually. not ignoring that you yourself are using school dropouts as examples, who i am inclined to think aren't exactly high skill employees.

if everyone sets themselves apart from everyone else then... everybody is on the same level again?

But everyone doesn't do that. Some people manage to successfully do that, others who try do that end up being average and many don't bother. At the very least you could get to the second category.

so your system fundamentally requires that a significant portion of the people you're aiming it at don't actually follow it or else it stops being effective? and even then, you admit it won't necessarily work if you end up being average versus the great people for a very limited number of positions? and... what?

i think the point might be that you have pretty much zero experience with the job market or independently moving to a new city with no support network so we're beginning to seriously question how much you actually know about looking for a job

I've had work, job offers and work experience, so yes I do know what I'm talking about.

and? they set the work experience up for you. working somewhere for a week doesn't give you experience trying to find a job.

[The Nihilistic view]

and if there aren't the jobs?

Educate yourself. Get skills. Volunteer in the local community. CV build. Figure out why you're uncompetitive in the labour market.

The unemployed of the old was actually hard working, nowadays a lot of people seem to want someone else to blame.

Wolf the Tory!

[Ifreann]

Still sociopathic in the extreme.

You are just mad that you would be humanely destroyed.

If you could see the proposal more objectively, you'd agree it's a good idea.

"You're just mad that I want you to die"

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yeah man losing 800,000 vacancies, many in finance and tech sectors, is a pretty good fucking reason actually. not ignoring that you yourself are using school dropouts as examples, who i am inclined to think aren't exactly high skill employees.

if everyone sets themselves apart from everyone else then... everybody is on the same level again?

But everyone doesn't do that. Some people manage to successfully do that, others who try do that end up being average and many don't bother. At the very least you could get to the second category.

Be above average, great advice that will no doubt help millions achieve gainful employment.

[Souseiseki]

And that's all well and good, but it's not exactly relevant to the job market, is it? Setting yourself apart in school is very different to setting yourself apart in the job market.

I'm making my own future, thank you very much, so that I do not have be reliant on benefits and blame the world for when work doesn't come to me.

we'll take your claims about how people should just move to get jobs when you actually have to do it

e: i will accept this on the caveat that if your plan gets destroyed by external circumstances outwidth your control you don't get to complain about it because it's your own fault for not trying hard enough and moving

[Wolfmanne2]

But everyone doesn't do that. Some people manage to successfully do that, others who try do that end up being average and many don't bother. At the very least you could get to the second category.

Be above average, great advice that will no doubt help millions achieve gainful employment.

As I've said it isn't really that hard to do as an individual. It's just people don't really make the effort and remain in the collective of 'just another unemployed person'. Make the effort.

[Chestaan]

And that's all well and good, but it's not exactly relevant to the job market, is it? Setting yourself apart in school is very different to setting yourself apart in the job market.

I'm making my own future, thank you very much, so that I do not have be reliant on benefits and blame the world for when work doesn't come to me.

To an extent you are making your own future, to an extent your future is already made for you. And again, getting As in school is not the same as setting yourself apart in the job market. Getting offers of part time jobs and work experience is also not the same as setting yourself up for a full time job.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying that you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just saying that it's not necessarily easy to get a job. Picking up qualifications is expensive, and it can be especially hard to go back to college if you have lost your job after a long time. Finding a job, especially a suitable job, isn't easy.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Still sociopathic in the extreme.

You are just mad that you would be humanely destroyed.

If you could see the proposal more objectively, you'd agree it's a good idea.

What's your definition of poor?

[Dooom35796821595]

Be above average, great advice that will no doubt help millions achieve gainful employment.

As I've said it isn't really that hard to do as an individual. It's just people don't really make the effort and remain in the collective of 'just another unemployed person'. Make the effort.

Are you sure you passed maths?

[Souseiseki]

Be above average, great advice that will no doubt help millions achieve gainful employment.

As I've said it isn't really that hard to do as an individual. It's just people don't really make the effort and remain in the collective of 'just another unemployed person'. Make the effort.

and as i've said you've presented a "get a job plan" for the nation that doesn't work if the nation actually follows it

e: and does not necessarily work even if only a group of people follow it

[HMS Vanguard]

You are just mad that you would be humanely destroyed.

If you could see the proposal more objectively, you'd agree it's a good idea.

Yep you can see through the internet into my bank account, you got it. As a programmer and a partner in my own company I guess it only makes sense I'm poor. I'm also not mad, I'm disturbed that I've been talking to some one who fantasises about murdering an entire class of people.

You will have the opportunity to put your case to an appeals board before you are sedated and fed in to the incinerators.

[Wolfmanne2]

As I've said it isn't really that hard to do as an individual. It's just people don't really make the effort and remain in the collective of 'just another unemployed person'. Make the effort.

and as i've said you've presented a "get a job plan" for the nation that doesn't work if the nation actually follows it

It's targeted for the individual, not the collective.

[Souseiseki]

and as i've said you've presented a "get a job plan" for the nation that doesn't work if the nation actually follows it

It's targeted for the individual, not the collective.

the collective is nothing but a collection of individuals