Police shoot armed man, riots ensue

[Occupied Deutschland]

How many of the people rioting do you think knew that?

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?

I think a more relevant question is does it matter if the police use disproportionate violence against all people. Which has been the running trend (with minorities tending towards higher incidence rates because of state and federal laws which have a disproportionate impact on poor communities and police strategies which focus on such, IE 'broken window' policing)

[Liriena]

How many of the people rioting do you think knew that?

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

Not to mention the underlying implication in Ostro's question that Baltimore's black community would be specially ignorant about the appearance of its own elected representatives.

That's some fine, top-quality dog-whistling right there.

[The balkens]

How many of the people rioting do you think knew that?

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Yes. And the Department of Justice still found some pretty damning stuff, as did the Baltimore Sun's investigation before them.


Your cringe-inducing condescension asides, have you considered the possibility that people riot when someone is shot because it is a lot more outrageous and mobilizing on an emotional level than a newspaper or government agency releasing statistics about excessive traffick stops and sentencing? Because the daily, routinary indignity of being repeatedly stopped by police for your skin tone does not resonate quite as much as a death?

I don't see how i'm being condescending, nor do I care really.

If it takes bullshit incidents and outright misinformation to work you up enough to do something, maybe your grievances aren't work taking seriously.

I'm pretty sure people have been complaining about this since the beginning of stereotypes of black people as mega-wanged murderous rape-happy banana, watermelon and chicken-eating hypermasculine quasi-humans. They rarely got enough traction to incite riots after the 60s that made the news.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

Not to mention the underlying implication in Ostro's question that Baltimore's black community would be specially ignorant about the appearance of its own elected representatives.

That's some fine, top-quality dog-whistling right there.

Not particularly. The white community is probably ignorant to a large extent too. Turnout is abysmal and of those that turn out, I don't expect all to follow far enough to the results beyond donkey voting.

[Liriena]

And in a country with a black president. Clearly, there can't be any racism anymore.

We shouldn't start a threadjack concerning Obamas racism. We just got over hillaries issues.

Oh, boy. Glenn Beck got to you, didn't he?

[Big Jim P]

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

AQed.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

The point is, the associations of people to one another do not necessarily exclude seemingly paradoxical antipathy towards any collectives they may belong to.
I don't like Trumpists, but I made an exception for my friend.

[Big Jim P]

We shouldn't start a threadjack concerning Obamas racism. We just got over hillaries issues.

Oh, boy. Glenn Beck got to you, didn't he?

Never heard of him.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see how i'm being condescending, nor do I care really.

If it takes bullshit incidents and outright misinformation to work you up enough to do something, maybe your grievances aren't work taking seriously.

I'm pretty sure people have been complaining about this since the beginning of stereotypes of black people as mega-wanged murderous rape-happy banana, watermelon and chicken-eating hypermasculine quasi-humans. They rarely got enough traction to incite riots after the 60s that made the news.

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous. It demonstrates they aren't rioting over grievances. They're rioting over their imagined grievances.

[Big Jim P]

I'm pretty sure people have been complaining about this since the beginning of stereotypes of black people as mega-wanged murderous rape-happy banana, watermelon and chicken-eating hypermasculine quasi-humans. They rarely got enough traction to incite riots after the 60s that made the news.

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous. It demonstrates they aren't rioting over grievances. They're rioting over their imagined grievances.

How about rioting over gang-bangers killing innocent children?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Oh, boy. Glenn Beck got to you, didn't he?

Never heard of him.

He's some red pundit. I think he founded The Blaze.
I have a book of his on the economy. Problem is, I'm economically illiterate so 33% of it was worthless to me.

I'm pretty sure people have been complaining about this since the beginning of stereotypes of black people as mega-wanged murderous rape-happy banana, watermelon and chicken-eating hypermasculine quasi-humans. They rarely got enough traction to incite riots after the 60s that made the news.

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous.

True...once you're down the rabbit hole, though, the only way you're coming out is as bones after the killer rabbit of Caerbannog is done with you.

[The Imperial Regions of Commerce]

Really? This is what people are complaining about? Compared to every other shooting, this is the most justified. In fact, considering the man was armed and trying to escape, it might even be justified. Is the next riot going to be about a police officer shooting an African American in self-defense?

It's bad, loss of life is never good, but this isn't nearly as bad as a man being held down, defenseless, and then shot.

PREACH

[Ostroeuropa]

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous. It demonstrates they aren't rioting over grievances. They're rioting over their imagined grievances.

How about rioting over gang-bangers killing innocent children?

If they had to go around beating any black people up they see it wouldn't work as well for them.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous. It demonstrates they aren't rioting over grievances. They're rioting over their imagined grievances.

How about rioting over gang-bangers killing innocent children?

That's how you get a local "civil war" started.
Either that or nobody cares because he's got dangerous friends.

[Alsheb]

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?

I think a more relevant question is does it matter if the police use disproportionate violence against all people. Which has been the running trend (with minorities tending towards higher incidence rates because of state and federal laws which have a disproportionate impact on poor communities and police strategies which focus on such, IE 'broken window' policing)

That's why it's a positive evolution that BLM seems to be including more socio-economic analysis in their activism nowadays. It's a combination of socio-economical factors (poor people being more likely to run into police and more likely to be targeted violently) and racial/ethnic factors (black people being more likely to be subjected to arrest or police violence, even those who come from backgrounds that normally do not face much of such violence).

[Alsheb]

Why would anyone care? Would you care about the mayor being black if the police still uses disproportianate violence towards Black people?
Hell, the president is black. Does that magically erase all racist police murders in the US?
I swear, this shit is just a new form of "some of my best friends are black".

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

Conservative (and most liberal) logic says yes. Which also clears you of any and all possibility of ever being racist, since you can play the token ethnic friend card. Lucky man.

[Liriena]

Yes. And the Department of Justice still found some pretty damning stuff, as did the Baltimore Sun's investigation before them.


Your cringe-inducing condescension asides, have you considered the possibility that people riot when someone is shot because it is a lot more outrageous and mobilizing on an emotional level than a newspaper or government agency releasing statistics about excessive traffick stops and sentencing? Because the daily, routinary indignity of being repeatedly stopped by police for your skin tone does not resonate quite as much as a death?

I don't see how i'm being condescending, nor do I care really.

Suit yourself.

If it takes bullshit incidents and outright misinformation to work you up enough to do something, maybe your grievances aren't work taking seriously. There's people mad over actual shit that's happening.

Almost wrote something petty as hell in response.

Anyway, you have no moral authority to tell communities whether their grievances are legitimate or not, specially if your whole approach to them seems to be making assumptions as to their circumstances and motivations, and never bothering to actually listen to them. Whether the incidents and information that ultimately provoke these communities to act are legitimate has nothing to do with whether the underlying powderkeg of their circumstances and grievances is worthy of being taken seriously, so you can take that patronizing nonsense elsewhere. Also, given the nature of your own often voiced grievances (or, at least, my perception of them), I would say, at the risk of incurring in a fallacy, that you are specially unqualified to make that case.

[Alsheb]

I'm pretty sure people have been complaining about this since the beginning of stereotypes of black people as mega-wanged murderous rape-happy banana, watermelon and chicken-eating hypermasculine quasi-humans. They rarely got enough traction to incite riots after the 60s that made the news.

Like I said.
If they were rioting over actual shit, it would at least make sense. Rioting over this stuff is ridiculous. It demonstrates they aren't rioting over grievances. They're rioting over their imagined grievances.

No, they are rioting over real and legitimate grievances. They just use a poor "last drop" in order to actually hit the street. Unfortunately, most people will always need a "last drop" in order to actually take action. Even though Blacks in the US don't actually need an immediate reason to riot (I'd say they have reason enough to riot every single day of the year), the human psyche is a strange thing in that we will always need that one last straw in order to rise up. Unfortunately, the last straw seems to have been poorly chosen.

[The balkens]

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

Conservative (and most liberal) logic says yes. Which also clears you of any and all possibility of ever being racist, since you can play the token ethnic friend card. Lucky man.

Meh. Wish i had once asian friend.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Conservative (and most liberal) logic says yes. Which also clears you of any and all possibility of ever being racist, since you can play the token ethnic friend card. Lucky man.

Meh. Wish i had once asian friend.

It appears that I must be sympathetic towards Trumpists by the same card.

[Panslavicland]

I didn't mean shootings specifically. I meant stuff like the sort revealed by the Department of Justice's reports on Ferguson and Baltimore.

We don't get these riots over excessive sentencing or targetted raids.
It's over when someone gets shot.

Why?

Because they're misinformed.

Why?

Because progressives and their media shills insist on misinforming them.

They've convinced themselves ideologically it must be the case, facts be damned, and will demonize anyone who points out they're wrong. Same as the domestic abuse issue, same as the rape issue, whatever.

The erasure of inconvenient victims and hyperfocus on victims from the correct demographic to advance a victim ideology.

If it's not about the shootings, why are the riots in response to shootings?

Why is the media focus about the shootings?

Why do they trot out people to ramble about police bias in shootings and talk about how black people have it so hard in this respect?

Face it.

It's another instance of progressives shitting the bed and assuming their ideology simply HAS to line up with reality and it isn't possible for things to be more equal than they've convinced themselves of.

Some better ones like you will try and direct to actual issues.
That isn't what most of them are doing, and it isn't what most of the ones in power are doing.

Its not just that the Marxist media focuses on victims that fit their narrative, its also the shorter time preference of the black population that leads to more explosive results, which is why they don't focus so much attention on other minorities - you simply wouldn't have the same results.

[Liriena]

I have 2 mixed race friends, if i combine them do i get one black friend?

AQed.

As someone who believes that some of my own AQed quotes did not deserve it, I fail to see what makes that post worthy of it. But hey, if we can call this art, I suppose we can AQ that sort of stuff.

[Liriena]

Oh, boy. Glenn Beck got to you, didn't he?

Never heard of him.

You mean you missed out on Fox News' golden age of Obama bashing? For shame, Jim.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see how i'm being condescending, nor do I care really.

Suit yourself.

If it takes bullshit incidents and outright misinformation to work you up enough to do something, maybe your grievances aren't work taking seriously. There's people mad over actual shit that's happening.

Almost wrote something petty as hell in response.

Anyway, you have no moral authority to tell communities whether their grievances are legitimate or not, specially if your whole approach to them seems to be making assumptions as to their circumstances and motivations, and never bothering to actually listen to them. Whether the incidents and information that ultimately provoke these communities to act are legitimate has nothing to do with whether the underlying powderkeg of their circumstances and grievances is worthy of being taken seriously, so you can take that patronizing nonsense elsewhere. Also, given the nature of your own often voiced grievances (or, at least, my perception of them), I would say, at the risk of incurring in a fallacy, that you are specially unqualified to make that case.

My record on supporting justice reform is clear. i'm just not going to make excuses and bandwagon for the latest progressive bed-shitting incident.
The people rioting are either misinformed, stupid, or thugs. Their grievance is not legitimate. It is a simple fact of statistics.
Black people are not shot disproportionately by the police.

You're damn right i'm going to condescend and dismiss what they say when they bring it up in this manner. I've been talking about bias in the justice system for years. I didn't need sensationalist bullshit to get me to care, and as far as i'm concerned, if you do, don't bother voting, you're a detriment to the process. That goes for sensationalism on all sides, on all issues.

I'm not going to indulge in the progressive phenomena of rewarding violent minorities when they engage in violence with discussion of their issues. If people want to talk about justice reform, they should do it in a different context. I'm fine with it happening at the same time even.
But so long as this is how the conversation starts, i'm not interested.

We should be sitting down to have a nice conversation with some black people who aren't prone to sensationalist bullshit while the police go out and crack down hard on rioters and send them away to jail. And those of us discussing justice reform?

Shouldn't consider these incidents part of the conversation.
Because they aren't.